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If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.
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Some sins are worst than others ?

It could refer to mortal sins or sins that could cause the sinners death by being punished by God. For example, when Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit. But what they did is probably considered mortal sin.
 
If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.
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written another way

If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not -]deadly/-] mortal, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not -]deadly/-] mortal. There is such a thing as -]deadly/-] mortal sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not -]deadly/-] mortal 1 Jn 5: 16-17]
 
This is a rather unusual verse - it is the only place in the Bible where we are instructed NOT to pray for someone. There must be a good reason for that.

There is. Our prayers cannot save someone who has committed a mortal sin (mortal and deadly mean the same thing - “mortal” is closer to the Latin term and is usually used in the Church). The Grace of Sacramental Confession is the only thing that can save someone in a state of mortal sin - our prayers have no effect upon that person’s salvation.

However, we can never be absolutely certain if someone is in a state of mortal sin (we can be pretty darned sure, but never certain). So, I figure it might not help, but it surely will not hurt. I might be wasting my time, but I can think of worse ways to waste it.

Speaking of which, StarCraft Wings of Victory isn’t gonna play itself… gotta go.
 
Some sins are worst than others ?

It could refer to mortal sins or sins that could cause the sinners death by being punished by God. For example, when Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit. But what they did is probably considered mortal sin.
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 16. A sin which is not unto death…and life shall be given to him. It is hard to determine what St. John here calls a sin which is not unto death, and a sin which is unto death. The difference cannot be the same as betwixt sins that are called venial and mortal; for he says, that if a man pray for his brother who commits a sin that is not unto death, life shall be given to him: therefore such a one had before lost the life of grace, and been guilty of what is commonly called a mortal sin. And when he speaks of a sin that is unto death, and adds these words, I do not say that any one should ask for that sin, it cannot be supposed that St. John would say this of every mortal sin, but only of some heinous sins which are very seldom remitted, because such sinners very seldom repent. By a sin therefore which is not unto death, interpreters commonly understand a wilful apostacy from the faith, and from the known truth, when a sinner hardened by his own ingratitude becomes deaf to all admonitions, will do nothing for himself, but runs on to final impenitence. Nor yet does St. John say that such a sin is never remitted, or cannot be remitted, but only has these words, I do not say that any one should ask for the remission of that sin; that is, though we must pray for all sinners whatsoever, yet man cannot pray for such sinners with such a confidence of obtaining always their petitions, as St. John said before, ver. 14. Whatever exposition we follow on this verse, our faith teaches us from the holy Scriptures, that God desires not the death of any sinner, but that he be converted and live. See Ezechiel xxxiii. 11. Though men’s “sins be as the scarlet, they shall be made as white as snow.” (Isaias i. 18.) It is the will of God that every one come to the knowledge of truth and be saved. See John vi. 40. There is no sin so great but which God is willing to forgive, and has left power in his Church to remit the most enormous sins; so that no sinner need despair of pardon, nor will any sinner perish but by his own fault. (Witham) — A sin unto death. Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin, which is the only sin that never can be remitted; but, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name the sin of apostacy from the faith, and some other such henious sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask. (Challoner)

Ver. 17. All iniquity[4] is sin. The sense here is, that sin is always an injury or an injustice done to God; but though every sin implies such an injury and an offence against God, yet there are different degrees in such injuries, which are not always such an injustice as St. John calls the sin unto death. (Witham)
 
If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.
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Another way of looking at it might be, “Pick your battles.” When a person is straying, prayer and encouragement that they get back on track seems totally charitable and sensible. When a person has completely jumped ship, the life boat is right. there. (It’s called Confession…) But, if that person isn’t going to actually grab on, climb back aboard and try to save himself, well how much more can we do?

On a practical level, I’d say pray for everyone in sin. We do not know, and really cannot know, who is in a state of mortal sin. We can know they have committed a gravely wrong act. We may or may not be privy to whether or not THEY know that, and have committed that act freely. St. John in the above says that he does not say we SHOULD pray for those who have committed deadly/mortal sin. But, he also doesn’t say we shouldn’t pray for them, either.
 
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 16. A sin which is not unto death…and life shall be given to him. It is hard to determine what St. John here calls a sin which is not unto death, and a sin which is unto death. The difference cannot be the same as betwixt sins that are called venial and mortal; for he says, that if a man pray for his brother who commits a sin that is not unto death, life shall be given to him: therefore such a one had before lost the life of grace, and been guilty of what is commonly called a mortal sin. And when he speaks of a sin that is unto death, and adds these words, I do not say that any one should ask for that sin, it cannot be supposed that St. John would say this of every mortal sin, but only of some heinous sins which are very seldom remitted, because such sinners very seldom repent. By a sin therefore which is not unto death, interpreters commonly understand a wilful apostacy from the faith, and from the known truth, when a sinner hardened by his own ingratitude becomes deaf to all admonitions, will do nothing for himself, but runs on to final impenitence. Nor yet does St. John say that such a sin is never remitted, or cannot be remitted, but only has these words, I do not say that any one should ask for the remission of that sin; that is, though we must pray for all sinners whatsoever, yet man cannot pray for such sinners with such a confidence of obtaining always their petitions, as St. John said before, ver. 14. Whatever exposition we follow on this verse, our faith teaches us from the holy Scriptures, that God desires not the death of any sinner, but that he be converted and live. See Ezechiel xxxiii. 11. Though men’s “sins be as the scarlet, they shall be made as white as snow.” (Isaias i. 18.) It is the will of God that every one come to the knowledge of truth and be saved. See John vi. 40. There is no sin so great but which God is willing to forgive, and has left power in his Church to remit the most enormous sins; so that no sinner need despair of pardon, nor will any sinner perish but by his own fault. (Witham) — A sin unto death. Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin, which is the only sin that never can be remitted; but, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name the sin of apostacy from the faith, and some other such henious sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask. (Challoner)

Ver. 17. All iniquity[4] is sin. The sense here is, that sin is always an injury or an injustice done to God; but though every sin implies such an injury and an offence against God, yet there are different degrees in such injuries, which are not always such an injustice as St. John calls the sin unto death. (Witham)
The Church teaches If one dies in venial sin, he won’t go to hell. Not so for mortal sin. Scripture gives lists of sins that say if one dies in those sins they won’t inherit heaven. ergo THOSE are mortal sins. It’s not just apostasy.
  • Titus 3: 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is )perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
  • Ephesians 5: 3-5 fornication, covetousness……5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
  • Hebrews 10:25-26 missing mass deliberately, no sacrifice for sin for THEM but a fiery judgement that consumes the adversaries of God.
  • Hebrews 12: 16 - 17 immoraliy, is selling your inheritance
  • Galatians 5: 19 - 21 sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, will not inherit heaven
  • Romans 16:17… dividers don’t serve our Lord but themselves. Stay away from them. Satan will soon be crushed under your feet
  • Colossians 3: 5-6 immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry, …rath of God is coming
  • 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 no sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders ,ἀρσενοκοίτης *arsenokoitēs] *10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
  • 2 Peter 2:4-22
 
The Church teaches If one dies in venial sin, he won’t go to hell. Not so for mortal sin. Scripture gives lists of sins that say if one dies in those sins they won’t inherit heaven. ergo THOSE are mortal sins. It’s not just apostasy.
  • Titus 3: 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is )perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
  • Ephesians 5: 3-5 fornication, covetousness……5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
  • Hebrews 10:25-26 missing mass deliberately, no sacrifice for sin for THEM but a fiery judgement that consumes the adversaries of God.
  • Hebrews 12: 16 - 17 immoraliy, is selling your inheritance
  • Galatians 5: 19 - 21 sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, will not inherit heaven
  • Romans 16:17… dividers don’t serve our Lord but themselves. Stay away from them. Satan will soon be crushed under your feet
  • Colossians 3: 5-6 immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry, …rath of God is coming
  • 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 no sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders ,ἀρσενοκοίτης *arsenokoitēs] *10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
  • 2 Peter 2:4-22
I don’t understand your point. Are you mistakenly commenting to me instead of another poster.
It is very clear the Church teaches that if you die in a state of venial sin you are saved but if you die in a state of mortal sin you go to Hell.
I never said otherwise!
Please clarify how your comments apply to me.
 
I don’t understand your point. Are you mistakenly commenting to me instead of another poster.
It is very clear the Church teaches that if you die in a state of venial sin you are saved but if you die in a state of mortal sin you go to Hell.
I never said otherwise!
Please clarify how your comments apply to me.
In the section I highlighted, I was merely adding comment on the quotes highlighted.
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