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Oneofthewomen
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Thanks, pnewton, that is exactly what I meant!
Good theory! I never thought of it that way.
Good theory! I never thought of it that way.
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LegoGE1947
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I understand that the “Roman Catholic” is not the only Catholic church there is. I read there are something the order of about two dozen other “Catholic” rites, most of which I have never heard of.
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Cavaradossi
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Sounds like a divine liturgy with an Old Testament reading during the first antiphon and the Epistle moved to the second antiphon.I have in my hand a book coming from an independent source (written by an Orthodox priest) regarding the history of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. He traces back the history to 150AD, the Liturgy at the time of St. Justin Martyr. The description of the liturgy back then is as follows:
Sounds familiar?
- Bishop greets the faithful, “Peace be to all.” And they respond, “And to your spirit!”
- Three readings, one OT reading followed by Psalms with “refrain”, an Epistle reading followed by a Psalm with an “Alleluia” refrain, and then the Gospel
- Homily/Sermon
- Litany and intercessory prayers of the faithful
- Kiss of Peace
- Gifts placed on the altar
- Anaphora (said aloud)
- Breaking of bread, Communion
- Dismissal
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ConstantineTG
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Psalms aren’t OT readings
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Phemie
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The placement of the Kiss of Peace makes it sound like the Anglican liturgy.I have in my hand a book coming from an independent source (written by an Orthodox priest) regarding the history of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. He traces back the history to 150AD, the Liturgy at the time of St. Justin Martyr. The description of the liturgy back then is as follows:
Sounds familiar?
- Bishop greets the faithful, “Peace be to all.” And they respond, “And to your spirit!”
- Three readings, one OT reading followed by Psalms with “refrain”, an Epistle reading followed by a Psalm with an “Alleluia” refrain, and then the Gospel
- Homily/Sermon
- Litany and intercessory prayers of the faithful
- Kiss of Peace
- Gifts placed on the altar
- Anaphora (said aloud)
- Breaking of bread, Communion
- Dismissal
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ConstantineTG
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Well, it is an OF Mass.
Also proves that the Kiss of Peace is essential from the very beginning of the Liturgy.
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LegoGE1947
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A Kiss of Peace might be a little embarrassing if the person next to you is not your spouse or significant other. I think I’ll just stick with shaking hands.
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ProVobis
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So the handshaking (or kissing) we do at work, at family gettogethers, at Mass, etc. all come from the early DL?
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ProVobis
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Psalms are part of the OT in the Bibles I use. Has the Church changed this?
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Oneofthewomen
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Why are you being obstinate?
You know exactly what I am talking about.
What I want to know is why the OT reading was done away with, if you don’t know the answer, fine, but stop making me look like an idiot!
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ConstantineTG
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If you’ve seen how Middle Easterners greet each other with a kiss, that is what we are supposed to do. Handshaking may be the modern equivalent, or if you want to call it this way, innovation.
This is how Judas betrayed Jesus, with the kiss of peace. That is why Jesus came back with, “this is how you betray your master?”
Sounds quite close to the Ordinary Form of the Ambrosian Rite.I have in my hand a book coming from an independent source (written by an Orthodox priest) regarding the history of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. He traces back the history to 150AD, the Liturgy at the time of St. Justin Martyr. The description of the liturgy back then is as follows:
Sounds familiar?
- Bishop greets the faithful, “Peace be to all.” And they respond, “And to your spirit!”
- Three readings, one OT reading followed by Psalms with “refrain”, an Epistle reading followed by a Psalm with an “Alleluia” refrain, and then the Gospel
- Homily/Sermon
- Litany and intercessory prayers of the faithful
- Kiss of Peace
- Gifts placed on the altar
- Anaphora (said aloud)
- Breaking of bread, Communion
- Dismissal
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LegoGE1947
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Many countries in Europe such as Russia people greet one another with a kiss, as well.
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andrewstx
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If it were Protestant I think it would more like this.
announcements
greating visitors
meet and greet (shaking hands)
a song
opening prayer (extempore)
another song
scripture reading
collection (called offering)
song
sermon (very long)
altar call (invitation)
if someone responds to the invitation there may be be an immersion baptism
closing prayer.
occasionally once a month, or quarterly the Lord’s Supper.
announcements
greating visitors
meet and greet (shaking hands)
a song
opening prayer (extempore)
another song
scripture reading
collection (called offering)
song
sermon (very long)
altar call (invitation)
if someone responds to the invitation there may be be an immersion baptism
closing prayer.
occasionally once a month, or quarterly the Lord’s Supper.
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Phemie
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Not the Anglican ‘Mass’. In form there is little difference between it and the OF, other than the placement of the Sign of Peace.
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andrewstx
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True, I was thinking more of Evangelical/Fundamentalists. Episcopalians are sort of middle ground to me, not really Catholic and not fully Protestant.
I was actually thinking of the prevailing Baptist, Pentecostal, “non denominational” churches around here in Texas and the South by extension.
Episcopalians hardly exist in the south and Catholics as well, you would be surprised how many Irish, Poles, Checzchs when coming here become Baptists.
My mom was buried by a Rev O’Brien in the independent Christian church.
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lssanjose
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Constantine, thanks for posting things. Being in the Byzantine church, made me realize the significance of the kiss of peace, especially when it’s done (BEFORE the Our Father)
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