What DOESN'T the Catechism answer for you?

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Someone will probably correct me, but when I read the CCC a couple years ago, I didn’t see anything relating to the conduct of priests and bishops, that would have condemned what happened in the sex abuse scandal.

There is the code of Canon Law that covers other things like the organization of the church.

But, is there any specific guidance that you find lacking in the CCC?
 
Yes, but it’s something the church hasn’t taken an official stance on: what to do about frozen embryos.
 
psalm90 said:
Someone will probably correct me, but when I read the CCC a couple years ago, I didn’t see anything relating to the conduct of priests and bishops, that would have condemned what happened in the sex abuse scandal.

There is the code of Canon Law that covers other things like the organization of the church.

But, is there any specific guidance that you find lacking in the CCC?
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I mean there’s the part about homosexual actions and also the part about sexual violence which mentions that harming minors is especially evil. Something along those lines.

Before I was confirmed our parish priest told me not to ‘deify’ the Catechism. It can be updated and expanded. Probably will be at some point. Not saying dogma will change, that’s silly. But maybe it could address new circumstances and things. Heck, it was written before the internet really made its impact.
 
Like pretty much everything else in the modern worls, it does need to address things like social media, internet, cybersex, self identified gender, embryo storage, in vitro, and whatever is ‘just aroundcthe corner’.
 
I don’t think the catechism needs to address everything in a minute point fashion. The catechism gives us the tools to help form a Christian conscience to make faithful decisions.
Obviously, the catechism should address questions about morality, theology, dogma etc. but it doesn’t have top, nor can it, address every single thing possible.
 
CountrySteve said:
I don’t think the catechism needs to address everything in a minute point fashion. The catechism gives us the tools to help form a Christian conscience to make faithful decisions.
Obviously, the catechism should address questions about morality, theology, dogma etc. but it doesn’t have top, nor can it, address every single thing possible.
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Good point. Maybe a general item stating how to look at new conceptsxbased on catholic teachings?
 
Crusaderbear said:
Good point. Maybe a general item stating how to look at new conceptsxbased on catholic teachings?
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I agree. I think the current Catechism does a good job at that. For example, one of the posters in this thread mentioned that the Catechism should address cyberbullying. It doesn’t have to because the Catechism does teach that emotionally harming an individual is contrary to the moral law. The catechism doesn’t mention specifics because human reason can apply the doctrine the Catechism contains to individual situations.
Plus, morality isn’t always black and white, but that’s another topic.

In Christ,

CountrySteve
 
psalm90 said:
Someone will probably correct me, but when I read the CCC a couple years ago, I didn’t see anything relating to the conduct of priests and bishops, that would have condemned what happened in the sex abuse scandal.
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The Catechism, as well as the Bible and Apostolic Tradition, has always condemned homosexual acts as gravely sinful. This applies to all, laity and clergy alike.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
The Catechism, as well as the Bible and Apostolic Tradition, has always condemned homosexual acts as gravely sinful. This applies to all, laity and clergy alike.
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Yes, and the Catechism also condemns rape.
 
CCC 696 defines the “fire” of Luke 12:49 as the fire of the Pentecost where the Holy Spirit comes to rest on the disciples.
I don’t see it that way. In my opinion the fire of Luke 12:49 is the same fire as in Isaiah 66:15-16 and is the fire of divine judgment. It is a very real fire and will come close to completely destroying the earth.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Like pretty much everything else in the modern worls, it does need to address things like social media, internet, cybersex, self identified gender, embryo storage, in vitro, and whatever is ‘just aroundcthe corner’.
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The Bible answers those questions, and the Vatican since the Catechism’s release has answered most of those questions, basing their stance on catechism quotes.

The destruction of human embryos is gravely wrong, and human embryos cannot be used for stem cells or artificial insemination, so frozen embryos serve no purpose and are hence wrong.

Social media:
Serious impure use of the Internet? If deliberately done in full knowledge and freedom, is a mortal sin.

Self identified Gender? The catechism says homosexual tendencies are not a sin if they are ignored, not willfully thought upon lustfully, and not acted upon in actions
That such people should live a celibate life if they are only attracted to the same gender.
 
MaryHelp777 said:
The destruction of human embryos is gravely wrong, and human embryos cannot be used for stem cells or artificial insemination, so frozen embryos serve no purpose and are hence wrong.
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I think he is referring to what we do with frozen embryos that already exist - do we foster them to prevent needless death or do we retain the dignity of the sexual act by not having surrogate mothers? I believe that the Church has not yet made an official statement on this particular issue.

God bless.
 
psalm90 said:
Someone will probably correct me, but when I read the CCC a couple years ago, I didn’t see anything relating to the conduct of priests and bishops, that would have condemned what happened in the sex abuse scandal.

There is the code of Canon Law that covers other things like the organization of the church.

But, is there any specific guidance that you find lacking in the CCC?
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The CCC is a summary of all Church teachings. They apply to everyone, i.e. lay and ordained.

I do not find anything lacking in the CCC.
 
thistle said:
The CCC is a summary of all Church teachings. They apply to everyone, i.e. lay and ordained.

I do not find anything lacking in the CCC.
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Nor I. It is a toolbox of the Catholic teachings necessary for life, so our lives can become eternal.

We are required to use discernment in everyday life, applying those tools. It shouldn’t require a detailed explanation of say sexual exploitation or cyber bullying to recognize they are wrong. The CCC gives us plenty of tools to discern that both are wrong. God gave us a brain, we are expected to use it!
 
A more perfect elucidation regarding the nature and remission of a “temporal punishment due to sin” might be beneficial for some students, but its elucidation seems to stem not from reading but rather from the experience.

This is encircling the area of CCC 1471.
 
How to change the window regulators out in a 2012 Ford Expedition, for starters.

When the Catechism doesn’t cover it, find a good source that does. And when the Catechism DOES cover it, you should probably still check with your priest to be sure you’re reading it right.
 
psalm90 said:
Someone will probably correct me, but when I read the CCC a couple years ago, I didn’t see anything relating to the conduct of priests and bishops, that would have condemned what happened in the sex abuse scandal.

There is the code of Canon Law that covers other things like the organization of the church.

But, is there any specific guidance that you find lacking in the CCC?
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Sexual abuse is condemned in the CCC in paragraph 2389.

Yes, there are certain issues the CCC does not address, or address directly and thoroughly. Embryo adoption, asexuality and transgenderism are examples. Those things not covered in the CCC are covered in other Church documents, such as encyclicals, or will be addressed in the future. Technology and science are always changing, so it is to be expected that sometimes the Church will need some time to understand and address new issues.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Like pretty much everything else in the modern worls, it does need to address things like social media, internet, cybersex, self identified gender, embryo storage, in vitro, and whatever is ‘just aroundcthe corner’.
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Which it does:

“The Church ‘forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful… to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.’” (CCC 133.)

When something isn’t stated explicitly in the Catechism, I search the Scriptures, like the Bereans: “Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11.) This is how I made a lot of important decisions in my life, and I haven’t regretted any of them.

For example, I read about some Christians (Catholic and not) who gave up TV. I searched the Scriptures to see whether this was a wise move on their part, and found that while the Bible does not say “thou shall not watch TV,” it does have a lot to say about avoiding false teachers and bad company (TV is both) and using time wisely (which TV is not). The Catechism talks about none of these principles, but the Bible does. So I knew I needed to quit.
 
MaryHelp777 said:
The Bible answers those questions, and the Vatican since the Catechism’s release has answered most of those questions, basing their stance on catechism quotes.

The destruction of human embryos is gravely wrong, and human embryos cannot be used for stem cells or artificial insemination, so frozen embryos serve no purpose and are hence wrong.

Social media:
Serious impure use of the Internet? If deliberately done in full knowledge and freedom, is a mortal sin.

Self identified Gender? The catechism says homosexual tendencies are not a sin if they are ignored, not willfully thought upon lustfully, and not acted upon in actions
That such people should live a celibate life if they are only attracted to the same gender.
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Me (OP) – this is something I was vaguely referring to (among other things), that I’m not sure there is enough treatment of how to act towards others in general, this in particular.

I was really fishing for folks to come up with some comments about the paragraphs that form the basis of the “dubia” from those four cardinals.
 
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