What draws you to the Eastern Church?

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Greetings ConstantineTG,

So there are not a whole lot of responses like the Novus Ordae Missae of the Latin Rite?

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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There are various hymns throughout the Divine Liturgy that the congregation participates in. But most of the Divine Liturgy is composed of Litanies where the response is “Lord have mercy” or “Kyrie Eleison” if its in Greek. Later on there will be one litany that will switch from “Lord have mercy” to “Grant this, O Lord”.

I mean, if you get the “Lord have mercy” part down, you’re good for most of the Divine Liturgy.

Here’s the text: orthodox.net/services/sluzebnic-chrysostom.pdf
 
Greetings Andrewstx,

Orthodox Sacraments. Can a Catholic receive them in danger of death and there is no Catholic priest around? Where the absolution be effective or how does this work?

Off the top of your head, can you remember how the Words of Absolution go?

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Greetings ConstantineTG,

That’s wonderful that I will have that down. Thanks for the link as well. You’ve and the others in this thread have been a huge help to me.

I can manage Kyrie Eleison. 👍

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Andrewstx,

Orthodox Sacraments. Can a Catholic receive them in danger of death and there is no Catholic priest around? Where the absolution be effective or how does this work?

Off the top of your head, can you remember how the Words of Absolution go?

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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It doesn’t have to be danger of death, we can receive Sacraments from the Orthodox as often as the Orthodox would allow us to have. The only requirement is that we shouldn’t develop an indifference, meaning we still should acknowledge that communion between us and them is still wounded and that we are not one Church just yet.
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings ConstantineTG,

So there are not a whole lot of responses like the Novus Ordae Missae of the Latin Rite?

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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There are a lot of responses as well as other parts/hymns for the laity. Most of them are repeated so many times that one only has to attend DL a couple of times before they are committed to memory, melody and all. There are also some parts that change from week to week. Learning them requires attending DL for years and/or listening to CDs with these parts sung in whatever language…
 
Greetings ConstantineTG,

Are the Orthodox open to Catholics receiving the Sacraments. So if I received Confession it would be valid?

Yes I pray that we may be one every day.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Thanks so much for the link. Oh I meant to throw this in, can I fulfill my Sunday obligation if I went to an Orthodox service? Okay I bet it’s time to start another thread. 😃 Time for me to learn what the differences are.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Andrewstx,

Thank you so much for your last answer. Now here’s a probably stupid question, the Greek Orthodox, are they a part of the Catholic Church, or part of the Orthodox Church. Once we get into all of the Orthodox Church’s I get really confused.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit

NOTE: Does anyone have a list of all 22 rites that are Members of the Catholic Church. Is there a list with all the Orthodox Churches that are not in Communion with Rome. This would make things so much easier.

God Bless You if you can find this. Wikipedia is not pulling up on this computer and that is why I am asking.
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The Greek Orthodox are not in communion with Rome at this time. It’s usually easy to distinguish which Churches are and which are not in communion with Rome. One will identify itself as “Orthodox” the other as “Greek/Byzantine (or Coptic, Maronite, Syro-Malabar, etc.) Catholic.”

When dealing with Orthodoxy it is important to remember that not all Orthodox are in communion with one another. For example, the Coptic Orthodox are not in communion with any of the Orthodox Churches of the Byzantine tradition (i.e. Russia, Constantinople, Greece, Urkaine, Orthodox Church in America, etc.). There also tend to be a good number of internal rifts within Byzantine Orthodoxy itself. At one time the Orthodox “Old Believers” were not in communion with any of the other Orthodox. Small internal schism occur from time to time. The closest resemblance to this that we have in the Catholic Church is the current SSPX schism (let’s call a spade a spade, it’s a schism).

As far as those in communion with Rome are concerned, let’s iron out a bit of terminology first. There are 23 sui iuris CHURCHES that are in communion with the Church of Rome. These Churches each celebrate their own ritual traditions (i.e. Rites). A rite always belongs to a particular Church, not the other way around. The majority of the particular Churches in communion with Rome celebrate the Byzantine Rite. Obviously there are some Eastern/Oriental Churches that celebrate other rites. The Maronite Church celebrates its own set of liturgical rites, as does the Coptic Catholic Church, the Ethiopian Catholic Church etc. These are all particular Church in union with Rome celebrating the rites that are proper to them.

There was a list of the 23 sui iuris Churches in communion with Rome floating around here at one point. I wouldn’t know how to go about digging it up though.
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings ConstantineTG,

Are the Orthodox open to Catholics receiving the Sacraments. So if I received Confession it would be valid?

Yes I pray that we may be one every day.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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Some Orthodox priests will admit Catholics to Communion and Confession. Although this isn’t very common in the U.S., I’m given to understand that it’s very common in the Middle East. I’ve heard that there are Catholic parishes in the Middle East that are served by Orthodox priests, and there are Orthodox parishes served by Catholic priests. I guess when we’re struggling to survive our differences really melt away.

If an Orthodox priest admits you to Communion and/or hears your Confession, it is perfectly valid. There would be no need to re-confess your sins to a Catholic priest.
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Thanks so much for the link. Oh I meant to throw this in, can I fulfill my Sunday obligation if I went to an Orthodox service? Okay I bet it’s time to start another thread. 😃 Time for me to learn what the differences are.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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There is some dispute over whether or not one can fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending an Orthodox service. Most Eastern Catholics will simply say, “Yes, of course!” That being said, you would most likely not be permitted to receive Communion.

It is also important to note that in the (Byzantine) East there is no sense of a “Sunday obligation.” The saying goes something like, “We are no more obliged to attend Divine Liturgy than we are to breathe.” The recognition, however, is that just as breath is necessary for physical life, regular attendance at the Divine Services (both Liturgy and the Hours) is necessary for spiritual life.
 
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Oh okay, this makes it a bit easier. I shall copy and print out your answer and have it for easy reference. So when one gets to the Orthodox Churches, things get a bit more confusing.

Thanks for the answer of Confession. I was not sure if one would have to reconfess to a Catholic priest, I am very glad to know that.

So what does the Latin Rite say about going to an Orthodox service for Sunday Mass? I looked everywhere for it and cannot find a thing? Is this addressed in the Latin Rite Code of Canon Law. [Arrrrgh so many terms, my head is a spinning.]

Thank you so much for taking the time out to type these responses.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Oh okay, this makes it a bit easier. I shall copy and print out your answer and have it for easy reference. So when one gets to the Orthodox Churches, things get a bit more confusing.

Thanks for the answer of Confession. I was not sure if one would have to reconfess to a Catholic priest, I am very glad to know that.

So what does the Latin Rite say about going to an Orthodox service for Sunday Mass? I looked everywhere for it and cannot find a thing? Is this addressed in the Latin Rite Code of Canon Law. [Arrrrgh so many terms, my head is a spinning.]

Thank you so much for taking the time out to type these responses.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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I’m not sure whether or not it is addressed in the Latin Code. I’ve been told by a number of people that Roman Catholics can fulfill their Sunday obligation at an Orthodox parish when attending for “learning purposes” or some such. 🤷 Vico would know for sure. He’s our local Canon Law guy. 👍
 
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Thanks for the heads up, I feel wierd about sending a Personal Message to Vico seeing I do not know him. Perhaps he will find this thread and comment on this.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Phillip Rolfes,

Thanks for the heads up, I feel wierd about sending a Personal Message to Vico seeing I do not know him. Perhaps he will find this thread and comment on this.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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We can certainly hope so. 😃
 
Anethmasit. I had a bad stroke seven years ago and it efffected my memory. I do not remember the words of absolution.

I am just filled with joy and happiness to be absolved. One thing that rests in my memory is that the preist puts his stole (epitrachalian) over your head and shoulders and makes the sign of the cross on your head as he absolves you.

We don’t have confession booths, we confess in the open church.
 
andrewstx said:
Anethmasit. I had a bad stroke seven years ago and it efffected my memory. I do not remember the words of absolution.

I am just filled with joy and happiness to be absolved. One thing that rests in my memory is that the preist puts his stole (epitrachalian) over your head and shoulders and makes the sign of the cross on your head as he absolves you.

We don’t have confession booths, we confess in the open church.
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Greetings Andrewstx,

Wow that is cool about the priest putting his stole on your head and shoulders. Confession seems to be more personl in the Orthodox Church from what I am reading in your posts.

Wow I would have never guessed you had a stroke. How wonderful the Lord is, so glad that you are with us.

When I am absolved there is joy there too. I can only well imagine the joy that must course through your entire being.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings ConstantineTG,

Are the Orthodox open to Catholics receiving the Sacraments.
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I’ve heard it varies wildly. I haven’t tried myself. I heard in Europe its more likely to happen than here in North America.
Anathama_Sit said:
So if I received Confession it would be valid?
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Confession is not just forgiveness of sin but also restoration of one to the mystical body of Christ, which is the Church. Because you do not belong to their Church, then technically they can’t restore you to the Orthodox Church nor to the Catholic Church because they do not have the faculties to do so. However, if you are in danger of death, the Catholic Church, by law and by mercy to the penitent, will automatically supply the faculties to the Orthodox priest.
 
Greetings ConstantineTG,

Good to know that the Catholic Church is merciful and let’s us confess to Orthodox priests if a Catholic priest can’t be found.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
I was simply awestruck by my first Divine Liturgy. In particular, it is a rather full statement of the Faith.

The structure of the liturgy makes the people far more active.

And the sheer reverence of the liturgy.

As I became more involved, and learned more, the eastern consistently made more sense than the western, as surely as I landed on the Catholic side of the Catholic/Protestant side on issues I’d never before encountered in college.

On the more practical s IDE, eastern parishes are smaller, and the priest actually knows everyone, and we all know one another.

A couple of lose issues thT are better and already covered in other threads:
  1. It’s not that the was “omits” from the creed, but that the west added. See various threads on the filioque (seriously; it would distract this thread)
  2. calendars: again, see other threads. The very short version is that when Nycea determined how Easter was to be calculated, tables were made for the lunar cycle. Over the centuries, the Julian calendar drifted by several days. Pope Gregroy published a corrected calendar (not always a leap day every fourth year), but did so without consultation with the Orthodox. Several days were skipped to bring the calendar back in step with the seasons (and, Pascha back in line with the Nycean prescription). Most Orthodox use the old calendar, but a couple use the new (more common in the US), while the EC are split on this, sometimes even within the same Eparchy. Again, take a look at those threads, it would sidetrack the main issues here
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