What drives the seemingly perfunctory and sterile celebration of Sunday Mass?

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In all sincerity, what drives the seemingly perfunctory and sterile celebration of Sunday Mass when outside events (schedule, etc.) do not constrain the celebration, at so many parishes?

I am deeply thankful that all the overt liturgical abuses have been wrung out of the Sunday Mass at my parish. It took years. In place we have a looks and feels to be a perfunctory and sterile celebration of Sunday Mass. In my parish we don’t even use the Nicene Creed anymore. We use the Apostles Creed every Sunday.

It’s almost as if someone took the Order of the Mass and carefully trimmed away every possible option that is allowed. Even the vestments, altar adornments, linens and sacred vessels reflect this. And this is not limited to one priest either.

Is there a legitimate view in the Church that disdains all examples of overt formality, solemnity and reverence? Is there a desire by some to mimic the ascetic when it comes to the celebration of the Mass? I’m really curious about this. Or is it just a matter of “git ur done” as quickly and easily as possible?

What makes me ask this, is a funeral Mass I attended this week at my parish. It had an almost sterile feel to it. As if we were all waiting for a train and we needed to hurry. That wasn’t the case. It was the exact opposite of the nature of the decedent and his family. It was actually a very sad Mass. Very minimalist.

I should point out what I’m describing takes place all year long. It’s not something unique to the Lenten Season.
My question in regards to your post is, are there certain, specific things you would like to see happen?

The reason I ask is because I am not sure from your post what it is you feel is missing from Mass besides it being done quickly and a minimalist atmosphere of the altar surroundings. Are you looking for a more traditional, let’s respect what is happening here, type of Mass? Is it that you would like more of the Catholic atmosphere happening, such as chant, traditional hymns, incense and such. You may have to look around and find a different parish. These things can differ from parish to parish.

Some parishes have a very minimalist appearance today. Not all, but some. Many modern parishes lack that Catholic beauty and atmosphere, while others, many near me, are working hard to correct that with restoration projects. Where I live the diocese is working hard to restore Catholic beauty in the buildings themselves and in the Mass, including vestments and altar surroundings.

As far as speed of Mass, I think it is done quickly because we live in a fast paced society and unless it is entertainment people complain if something lasts too long. I have seen priests, and felt sorry for them for having to do this, but speed through anything that might be 5 -10 minutes extra after Mass, a prayer, a blessing, or an announcement. Almost because they know someone will be angry, complain or start looking at their watch (cell phone) if Mass goes over.

God bless.
 
I’ve been to Masses in all sorts of places and all sorts of atmospberes, from the most outwardly stimulating ‘smells and bells’ type to much more minimalist affairs.

I’ve found that I tend to get out of any Mass what I put in, simple as that.

If I am attentive to and reflect on the words of scripture,.the priest’s prayers and my own responses, and the fact that God Himself is made present to us, even the most bare-bones Mass is a rich experience. If I am not, all the outward trappings make it no less sterile and perfunctory for me.
 
I’ve been to Masses in all sorts of places and all sorts of atmospberes, from the most outwardly stimulating ‘smells and bells’ type to much more minimalist affairs.

I’ve found that I tend to get out of any Mass what I put in, simple as that.

If I am attentive to and reflect on the words of scripture,.the priest’s prayers and my own responses, and the fact that God Himself is made present to us, even the most bare-bones Mass is a rich experience. If I am not, all the outward trappings make it no less sterile and perfunctory for me.
Before I reverted to the Church, I attended a baptist church that had all the bells and whistles. When I returned to the Catholic Church I thought I would miss the liveliness and spirit of that Church. Truth is, I never did. And I don’t say that to be critical of that Church, they were on fire for the Lord. But what they did not have was the Eucharist and that made all the difference.
 
Speed is indeed an issue, but it’s not the top one. The sterile, perfunctory DRYNESS that dominates Masses around here is terribly sad. I’m curious about where they stem from.

I used to serve private Masses for a Franciscan priest. They were exceedingly utilitarian on purpose due to his charism but they never felt sterile or perfunctory as they do around here.
Priests are human.
The good ones need our prayers.
The lukewarm need our prayers.
…And I need priests to pray for me.
 
I agree with you completely. “Perfunctory and sterile” describes the Masses in my diocese to a “T”. Even worse, there almost always seems to be a game with some of the priests about keeping Mass “under 60 minutes.” They act like it is such a dreary chore as opposed to the celebration of our living God.
Thank you for the sanity check. I don’t expect things to get better, nor am I pushing for them to get better. I’m just curious about what causes the condition I experience?. Thinking about this for a bit more, I wonder if what I experience is really the aftermath of the “liturgical wars” that were fought for so long within my diocese?

There were struggles about everything. From liturgical dance, to music to metal vs. glass sacred vessels, to the use of sanctus bells and incense, to turf wars among the lay liturgical elite, etc. The list goes on and on.

One thing that’s definitely not helpful are what I term the “stoppers.” That that struggle to quench any discussion about this phenomena because it doesn’t exist in their parish, because they believe that those who experience it are not properly prepared for Mass, because we don’t know what’s in the heart of the celebrant, etc., etc. Those stoppers have done some real damage in the Church over the years.

Honest discourse shouldn’t be stifled.
 
Before I reverted to the Church, I attended a baptist church that had all the bells and whistles. When I returned to the Catholic Church I thought I would miss the liveliness and spirit of that Church. Truth is, I never did. And I don’t say that to be critical of that Church, they were on fire for the Lord. But what they did not have was the Eucharist and that made all the difference.
I’m not talking about “bells and whistles”, particularly in a Protestant way.
 
I’ve been to Masses in all sorts of places and all sorts of atmospberes, from the most outwardly stimulating ‘smells and bells’ type to much more minimalist affairs.

I’ve found that I tend to get out of any Mass what I put in, simple as that.

If I am attentive to and reflect on the words of scripture,.the priest’s prayers and my own responses, and the fact that God Himself is made present to us, even the most bare-bones Mass is a rich experience. If I am not, all the outward trappings make it no less sterile and perfunctory for me.
“I’ve found that I tend to get out of any Mass what I put in, simple as that.”

To imply that how the Mass is celebrated (presuming all are valid) makes no difference in how well or how poorly the faithful are nourished is simply untrue.
 
Priests are human.
The good ones need our prayers.
The lukewarm need our prayers.
…And I need priests to pray for me.
Yes they are human. Sometimes I wonder though if they recognize the awesome responsibility they take on when celebrating the Mass? Comments like “priests are human” make me wonder how people would feel if for example, doctors and surgeons used that comment to explain a botched diagnosis or surgical procedure?

Others claims that through observation and dialogue that I could not “know the disposition of the priest or the attendants.” That’s simply not true – particuarly when it happens again and again and again.

Obviously we need to pray for our priests and I for one do. But I really am beginning to wonder if the above comments are really about excuses?
 
Merriam-Webster
  • drives: 5d : to press or force into an activity, course, or direction
  • sterile: 2c. lacking in stimulating emotional or intellectual quality
  • perfunctory: 2. lacking in interest or enthusiasm
If the Mass is celebrated imperfectly then it may be due to moral or amoral causes.

Ancient Roman rite is simpler than the eastern Divine Liturgy:

Sacrosanctum concilium:

…Thus not only when things are read “which were written for our instruction” (Rom. 15:4), but also when the Church prays or sings or acts, the faith of those taking part is nourished and their minds are raised to God, so that they may offer Him their rational service and more abundantly receive His grace.

Wherefore, in the revision of the liturgy, the following general norms should be observed:
  1. The rites should be distinguished by a noble simplicity; they should be short, clear, and unencumbered by useless repetitions; they should be within the people’s powers of comprehension, and normally should not require much explanation.
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html
Thank you for your definitions. The Masses I attend are valid. I don’t question that. There aren’t many abuses or irregularities anyone either. Even if there were, I would try to ignore them. But the sterile and perfunctory qualities continue to exist, hence my question.

Your #34 is interesting, but “noble simplicity” does not equate to either sterile nor perfunctory.
 
I’m not talking about “bells and whistles”, particularly in a Protestant way.
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Magdalena59:
My question in regards to your post is, are there certain, specific things you would like to see happen?
I’m with Magdalena – what, specificially, are you looking for? The only thing you’ve mentioned is “solemnity”. What does that mean? What does that look like, in your opinion – and what are you seeing, specifically, that isn’t solemn in the Masses you attend?
 
Thank you for your definitions. The Masses I attend are valid. I don’t question that. There aren’t many abuses or irregularities anyone either. Even if there were, I would try to ignore them. But the sterile and perfunctory qualities continue to exist, hence my question.
So, logically, since the Mass does contain intellectual quality in itself, the question is “why does a particular of the Mass lack stimulating emotional quality and interest or enthusiasm?”

No doubt that the culture, attitude, and interest of the faithful are pertinent.
 
Is Mass circus or TV?
Are we there to be entertained,
or,
for the glory and worship of God?

On another note:
I fail to fathom the judgemental discourse surrounding every action performed by the Priest , in Mass.

I was sitting in front of a couple , tourists to our Cathedral and Mass. The poor Priest, they had his every move under a microscope.
 
Is Mass circus or TV?
Are we there to be entertained,
or,
for the glory and worship of God?

On another note:
I fail to fathom the judgemental discourse surrounding every action performed by the Priest , in Mass.

I was sitting in front of a couple , tourists to our Cathedral and Mass. The poor Priest, they had his every move under a microscope.
One great aspect of Christianity is that suffering can be offered to God.
 
So, logically, since the Mass does contain intellectual quality in itself, the question is “why does a particular of the Mass lack stimulating emotional quality and interest or enthusiasm?”

No doubt that the culture, attitude, and interest of the faithful are pertinent.
As is the actual effort/celebration by the “presider” and those assisting him.

I think the best way to describe Mass at my parish would be to compare it to a gov’t run function where some percentage of the populus has to go to a meeting each week. Yes, the gov’t official shows up, he conducts the meeting by the numbers, but that’s it.

There should be more than that when it comes to the celebration of the Mass.
 
Is Mass circus or TV?
Are we there to be entertained,
or,
for the glory and worship of God?

On another note:
I fail to fathom the judgemental discourse surrounding every action performed by the Priest , in Mass.

I was sitting in front of a couple , tourists to our Cathedral and Mass. The poor Priest, they had his every move under a microscope.
I’m not interested in excuses or “stoppers” – comments or commentary that inhibit improvement.
 
My question in regards to your post is, are there certain, specific things you would like to see happen?
I am seeking those qualities that should elevate the celebration of the Mass so it doesn’t seem like a secular, routine meeting of people.
 
As is the actual effort/celebration by the “presider” and those assisting him.

I think the best way to describe Mass at my parish would be to compare it to a gov’t run function where some percentage of the populus has to go to a meeting each week. Yes, the gov’t official shows up, he conducts the meeting by the numbers, but that’s it.

There should be more than that when it comes to the celebration of the Mass.
Liturgy is a communal offering, and they, including the clergy, are all the faithful. Yes --should – but all are in process of being images of Christ.
 
Your words sterile and perfunctory have no real meaning to me…I do not know what you wish to indicate. I can only presume, from this post, that you are using sterile and perfunctory in apposition to elaborated and extended

The Roman Rite is supposed to be marked by “sobriety” and by “noble simplicity.” The ideal Roman prayer is quintessentially Da, Domine, quaesumus ____. Give, Lord, we beg you [fill in blank with as few words as essential to make the request]

One person’s luxe is another’s superfluity. I remember, in ancient days, when we had three cloths on the altar…each altar. Now the church/chapel ideally has one altar, not multiple altars, and the altar need have only one cloth. I’ve never seen that as an impoverishment but rather a change both practical and appreciated. The sacristans & I were the only ones who knew the two undercloths were not there…well, except God and His attending angels. The honour being paid was not shortchanged for there being fewer cloths, that could not be humanly observed, dressing the altar

As for vestments, as a retired priest, I’ve helped in various parishes…and will quite consciously pass over the vestment placed at hand to choose something simpler as I prefer a more monastic simplicity to such things

The same is true for the linens. That they’re not elaborately embroidered is of no interest to me…that they are functional – i.e. made out of a fabric that is absorbent and easily cleaned – is of maximum interest to me. I’ve dealt with linens of inferior quality that looked quite elaborate but were so made that they did not dry the sacred vessels they were meant to wipe. They were, for all their elaborateness, perfectly useless

Over the years, I’ve been in parish priest of parishes where I removed baptisms from being done at a Sunday Mass because of the number of complaints by both those having their children baptised – they found the arrangement not conducive – and complaints from parishioners who found baptisms made the Sunday Mass much too long and elaborated. I’ve removed incense, which I personally like, because of complaints arising from allergies, breathing disorders, and various other maladies from headaches to nausea attributed to incense

When I am in a monastic setting, the liturgies invariably are longer and more elaborate. But then they are monastic liturgies and they are not parish liturgies

When I have been chaplain to communities of other cultures, Masses could go easily twice as long as a standard parish Mass because of the inculturated liturgy involving more and longer pieces of music, liturgical dance, and so forth. Some, not being of the other cultures, who came to the liturgies really enjoyed them and would return while others found them much too long and involved, even leaving in the middle of them rather than staying until the end

Conversely, the shortest Masses of my priesthood are those in the era when I was a hospital chaplain. They were kept simple and to the smallest time duration possible because staff, patient, and visitors all had priorities to be about within the hospital beyond fitting Mass into their schedule…and I also was pressed by duties and rounds

As for the funeral Mass you cite, I have done many over the years. The taking or rejecting of options for funeral at which I preside rests with the one arranging the funeral. I only overrule if the request is not in keeping with liturgical norms. I’ve had funerals with no music. Funeral with an organist or other musician playing but without hymns or singing. Funerals with a cantor and singing…with or without musical accompaniment. Funerals with an added soloist. Funerals with a choir. In places where the organist is receiving a stipend per Mass played, the family must either supply an organist or arrange financially with the one we used…and so it is for the cantor, soloist or choir. For some who are arranging funerals, expense becomes an issue

In short, there are reasons for every choice that I’ve made when administering a parish. Usually involving a balancing of goods. Mostly practical

I would never run while breaking out in a sweat from a parishioner making a suggestion…I’ve turned and silently walked away, with no further acknowledgement, from parishioners who are repeating the same request for the 15th, 20th, 25th time…because they have already received their answer. Repeatedly. The answer being: NO

I’ve never been one to repeat myself over and over. Once an answer has been given to an individual and once they have been reminded they have been given an answer, assuming they are not dementia patients, I do not repeat myself. Unfortunately, there are parishioners who will continue to repeat a request as though they will gain a hearing by the sheer multiplicity of asking. That behaviour should not be encouraged or rewarded

Frankly, the words sterile and perfunctory most evoke for me memories of the pre-conciliar Masses I remember from my younger days…when Masses were offered every hour on the hour and Sunday Mass was less than 45 minutes as, principally, a dialogue between the priest and the altar server. I do not miss those days, whatsoever

You say you have seven Masses in your parish. How many priests do you have presiding at these seven Masses?
4 priests. Pastor, parochial vicar and two active retired priests in-residence.
 
I once attended a church a bit like this. I’d leave mass and be amazed by the time on my watch, the priest talked so fast the congregation barely finished the response. To be fair it was a very elderly church with little outreach and few babies being born so I can see how they got a bit cynical.
 
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