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TraditonRules
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The Sunday high mass was very early Sunday morning like 6am. It was an abbreviated mass meaning no singing only basic reading requirements and communion. Doesn’t seem like the Catholic church does this anymore.
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Richard320
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I’m not sure if you have the name right, but it still exists. My parish where I used to live had a 7 AM mass that had no music. One of the nearby parishes where I live now has Mass at 6:30 AM. No music there, either, but surprisingly well-attended. Whether it’s people who have to work Sunday (which is when I attend that Mass) or if they just can’t stand drums and guitars in church, I don’t know. There is still a Homily, although the priest tends to keep it brief.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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What you’re describing sounds more like what we used to call a “low Mass.” A pre-Vatican II “High Mass” would most definitely include singing, wouldn’t be that early in the morning, probably begin with the Asperges (sprinkling rite), etc. Certainly not “abbreviated.”
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anp1215
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What you describe sounds just like the Low Mass I went to week before last. No singing, almost the entire Mass was inaudible, very “stripped down.” I think you’re thinking of a Low Mass.
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Trevor_Stamm
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He is speaking of a Low Mass. Our parish has it on every Saturday Vigil.
High Mass is the Extraordinary Form, or otherwise known as the Traditional Latin Mass or Tridintine Mass. We have this on Sunday night
High Mass is the Extraordinary Form, or otherwise known as the Traditional Latin Mass or Tridintine Mass. We have this on Sunday night
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anp1215
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I thought both low and high were the Extraordinary Form/Traditional Latin Mass/Tridentine Mass. Just that one is Low and one is High.He is speaking of a Low Mass. Our parish has it on every Saturday Vigil.
High Mass is the Extraordinary Form, or otherwise known as the Traditional Latin Mass or Tridintine Mass. We have this on Sunday night
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puzzleannie
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I thought that was Low Mass, and for those who planned to receive communion (something not everyone did back in the day when mortal sin was still on our radar).
the reason the early morning Mass is not necessary is that the discipline of fasting from midnight has been lifted. High Mass was later in the morning (they all had to be over by noon back then) and had the choir, longer sermon, incense etc.
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TraditonRules
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Indeed I concede the point, I should have said low mass not high. But in my area none of the RC churches do an early Sunday morning low mass.
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Splagchnizomai
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It’s also probably more likely that it’s just a bunch of early birds rather than workers and guitar-haters.
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TraditonRules
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Shifting gears, I was told drums are against Catholic mass teaching /protocol.
Nevertheless one RC church in my neighbourhood uses guitars and does not kneel while the other RC church doesn’t use guitars but does kneel in traditional fashion…
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Splagchnizomai
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You don’t use drums (and other instruments) during Lent – and I guess the same thing would apply during Advent (a little Lent). I can’t recall what the GIRM says about drums in general – read more about this in this 2011 GIRM. Note that the piano was once forbidden in Catholic liturgical music. Polyphony almost got the boot too.
As far as kneeling, I know that some folks get confused about kneelers. They think that if there are no kneelers, then they shouldn’t kneel.
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TraditonRules
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We have kneelers, the RC church just decided not to use them , either sit or stand.You don’t use drums (and other instruments) during Lent – and I guess the same thing would apply during Advent (a little Lent). I can’t recall what the GIRM says about drums in general – read more about this in this 2011 GIRM. Note that the piano was once forbidden in Catholic liturgical music. Polyphony almost got the boot too.
As far as kneeling, I know that some folks get confused about kneelers. They tink that if there are no kneelers, then they shouldn’t kneel.
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anp1215
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Try this site web2.airmail.net/carlsch/EFMass/churches.htm
It is a directory of Traditional Latin Masses and you can click your state to see the closest one to you. This directory only lists those Masses given by those in regular status with faculties and permission to celebrate the Mass in their area (FSSP, Diocesan, no SSPX).
Many of the listings have a website link you can click on to see their Mass schedule and whether they have a Low Mass. You should call the phone number listed for the parish to double check.
Hope this helps.
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Splagchnizomai
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IIRC it is within your rights as a Catholic to stand, sit or kneel – but I think conformity with the parish practice is a factor too (though I’m not certain). You should also meet with your parish priest and ask him about it.
Search out threads on kneeling here at CAF, and I’d bet you’ll find more info. Or start another thread. Most folks probably won’t associate kneeling with your thread topic.
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TraditonRules
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Agreed…I got side tracked, sorry.
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inkaneer
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The terms ‘High’ and ‘Low’ Mass referred to the pre Novus Orde Tridentine Mass in Latin. A High Mass featured a full choir with singing and Gregorian Chant with organ accompaniment. The Altar had all of the candles lit. A 'Low" Mass had no singing or Chant by a choir, maybe had a organist who responded to the priest for the people, Ususlly only two candleswere lit on the altar. Basically the ‘High’ and ‘Low’ designations referred to the pomp and ceremony present in each Mass. The Latin ‘High’ Masses were elegant and beautiful and depending on the acoustics of the particular church could instill one with a feeling of what it would be like in heaven. However, to us kids all we knew was that the 'High" Masses took longer. At our church all the altar boys [there were no girl altar servers then] preferred the ‘Low’ Masses mainly because our choir couldn’t carry a tune in a dump truck. Our priest would tell them to offer it up for the souls in purgatory.
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