What evidence, solid scientific, universally proven evidence do you have that your back pain truly exists?

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But the existence of these inner states gets you nowhere near establishing that there is an external being responsible for any of these inner states.
No one said it was evidence of God.
In fact, it has been pointed out many times that it is only evidence of the inability to prove things that are real.
The fact that you still fail to comprehend this point so many pages into this thread is discouraging.
 
Defense attorney (Athiest) “Prove that my client murdered his wife”
Prosecution (Believer) “Prove that John Smith robbed a liqour store last night”

Judge (objective 3rd party) “Irrelevant”

You and anyone who believes this is missing the point.
Perhaps you should stop dwelling on those imaginary people that keep missing the point.
No one has claimed such an argument that you state.
No Athiest is saying that there are things that can’t be proven that they believe to be true. They’re simply saying that they don’t believe there is enough evidence to prove God’s existence.
Sure they are.
They believe in the pain of others, but cannot prove such.
That alone is enough to prove the iconsistency of asking for such degrees of proof for things they do not wish to believe while letting slide other things.
Whether or not it’s consistent is completely irrelevant as it’s still a ridiculous attempt to avoid the simple truth that the only answer to the question of “Is God real?” is “I don’t know” nobody can provide ANY OTHER ANSWER. The only difference is that believers will add in “but I believe he does”.
Well, you may wish to believe you cannot prove God.
God however is his own proof. And no one can deny him.
And it still leaves open the question of creation itself.:confused:

And inconsistancy of thought is never irrelevent.
How exactly do you wish to convince anyone if you cannot first make them take a critical look at their current understanding?
 
“Another thread” implies another thread on this forum…
Wow. You do realize that that your 2 word premise “Another thread” does not imply “another thread”. It literally says it, right?😊

Of course, that still doesn’t explain how you made the leap from the premise “Another thread” to the deduction “he didn’t want to go off topic”.

You are not deducing as you claim, you are assuming. Prove me wrong.
there’s no way that I’m aware of to make such a discussion private.
You seem to be assuming that I haven’t noticed that in the last 4,000 or so posts. Then you seem to be assuming that the word private means “secret”.

Hint: the men’s room is private. It is not secret.
You’re wrong.
A bold statement you have yet to prove. Unless you are expecting me to accept your assumptions as evidence, this statement seems to be false.
 
Yes, you do. How about these premises:
  1. The term “thread” in online communications designates a public form of correspondence on a public messageboard.
OK
  1. AntiTheist wrote that he wished to discuss a matter further and suggested “Another thread, perhaps?”
OK
  1. Conclusion: AntiTheist was suggesting that we discuss the matter further in a public form of correspondence on a public messageboard.
OK

Now how does this apply to the conversation that M and I are having? Unless you also think that the word “private” means “secret”, I don’t see how this deduction is germane.

(Hint: The men’s room is private, not secret.)
Obviously, when I write, I don’t spell everything out like this because we are conversing in a relatively informal fashion and I think highly enough of the people reading my posts that I give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ll be able to conclude the bleeding obvious.
You’re right, what you really meant was “bleeding” obvious. I deduced it from what you actually said.

It is also “bleeding” obvious that you called us all intellectually dishonest. Which is what the problem here really is. You should apologize. People who disagree with you are not dishonest on that basis alone.
On a related note, let me take the time to plug my thread on Zen Meditation, which is relevant to the insanity we’ve seen on this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=537049
My meditation thread presents a Zen technique as the antidote for the habit our minds have of fooling us into believing in a false picture of reality, the results of which can be seen in warpspeedpetey’s increasingly-disconnected-from-reality posts.
Yes, an atheist talking about Zen techniques is firmly within the realm of reality. Excellent ad hom :rotfl:
 
I do see what you’re dealing with. As should be clear – from my words – I intended to have further public conversations with you on the subject.
Inded it does, are you still under the impression that private means “secret”, here in this place with no secret threads?
Warpspeedpetey was jumping to assumptions unjustified by my post.
Then please post these assumptions you are talking about because I used your words as the premises of my deductions.
If you read the Zen thread I linked to, you’ll see that this is precisely what our minds do all the time in daily life, and if we’re not careful, we might all end up like the particularly “warped” mind exhibited on this thread.
Consider this thread a cautionary tale.
More ad homs. The second to last refuge of those unable to prove their point or willing to admit to what they actually said.
 
Inded it does , are you still under the impression that private means “secret”, here in this place with no secret threads?

No, of course not. But apparently you are. Witness your own words:
You’re not trying to get someone not yet mature in the Faith to a private place where you can speak without having your arguments examined by more experienced and informed Catholics are you?
 
No, of course not…

…**my learned discourse). **
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That’s a whole lot of talking that ignores the only definition of “private” that fits the circumstance, I would think that prior to so much typing, you would have bothered to look up the definition. :rolleyes:
confined to particular persons or groups or providing privacy;
See, no backpedaling needed. :rotfl:
It sounds increasingly like you think this “private place” … a private message, where others cannot read what we write.
Now this is just plainly irrational. You’re words were “Another thread”. There is no way for me to infer a “private message” from that, so I am curious as to what your basing the inference on?

Unless its another assumption.
Now, as to your suspicions…
Because it should be bloody well obvious…where the only people who will read it are those masochistic enough to delve the depths of the philosophy section and engage with the resident brick-walls here.
Now that you’re changing your story and claiming that you thought all along that I was suggesting a new public conversation, perhaps you can tell us how a new public conversation would “avoid having [my] arguments examined,” rather than doing the exact polar opposite of that?
You claim I am changing my story, because you don’t know the definition of the word private. While at the same time claiming that what you said, is not what you meant.

Who is backpedaling again?

I am not the one changing stories or claiming that I didn’t say what I said. You are claiming that you meant “off topic” when you never said that at all. I would call that a change in story.

Hmmm, whats the word for one who does the thing he condemns?
Yes. Care to guess who?..
The entire argument being presented on the thread is disingenuous and engaged in only by those intellectually dishonest enough to overlook the glaring problems with it.
So now everyone who posted on this thread is intellectually dishonest?

Funny enough, you posted on the thread and I’m sure that other posters think that you are ignoring glaring problems as well. That seems to imply that you are lumping yourself into the category of intellectually dishonest people. Is that correct? or are you somehow different than the other people on this thread?

Hmmm, whats the word for one who does the thing he condemns?:rotfl:
Further, the thread is populated by people – or, at least one person – who make claims, only to backpedal on them and try to pretend that they were claiming something else originally.
I know, I just exposed him trying to claim that he meant “off topic” when he said “I would like to discuss with someone who’s intellectually honest. Another thread, perhaps?”
I’ll tell you something, warpspeedpetey. You were one of the posters here who I figured out very early on were not worth talking to, and I make it a habit to routinely ignore your posts. I’m not trying to be mean – I’m merely explaining why it is that I usually have no desire to talk to you
Yes, I know you ignore posts. Its funny that so often they seem to be posts that demonstrate the holes in your arguments. That’s a large part of the reason I am so offended at the implications and now statements that people engaged on the thread are intellectually dishonest. They weren’t ignoring posts detrimental to their position. You were.

I really wish I could remember the right word for someone who does the thing that he condemns…arggh!
and why I am about to go back to ignoring you after utterly destroying your ridiculous assumptions about me.
Please post the assumption I made, that you believe you have destroyed? I am only using the words you wrote. You and M are making assumptions, as I have demonstrated. M claimed to have made deductions from a 2 word premise that could only be reached by assumption. You are insisting that I should have assumed you meant one thing when your words implied another.
This isn’t an “ad hominem,” … An “ad hominem” is a logical fallacy in which one asserts that another is wrong because of certain personal flaws. Merely pointing out the flaws, without linking them to an argument, is not an ad hominem – it is merely a personal comment, and in this case, it is a relevant and pertinent observation about you.
So how do you explain this then? Its like you’ve never seen a dictionary before. This is hilarious. You are clearly trying to link the validity of my claims to what you claim my personal characteristics are.

An ad hominem (Latin: “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the opponent advocating the premise.[1] The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy,[2] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.[3]
…** It’s a good lesson for everyone else: think twice before you poke a sleeping dragon with a stick**.
Did you really just refer to yourself as a “sleeping dragon”? Wow, just wow. :rotfl:

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I think that you know you were wrong for implying and then stating that the people on the thread are “intellectually dishonest” When are you going to simply admit it and apologize?
 
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