What exactly do Mormons believe?

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I understand the history of the Mormon religion has gone through some changes since the time of its founder, Joseph Smith.

Recently our Serra Club had a guest speaker who is a Mormon. He indicated during his talk that on many issues Mormons think a lot like Catholics, but I was puzzled that he did not go into any significant detail on that score.

Does anybody know the current chief doctrines that distinguish the Mormon religion from traditional Catholic and Protestant Christianity?

Please don’t send me to Wikipedia if you have a more authoritative source. Thanks.
 
pop uh oh…another can of worms is opened. I am sure the numerous LDS posters on here will gravitate over here to tell you the ever-changing official side:rolleyes:, then the rest of us can tell you the other side afterwards.
 
The big number one difference is their view of the Trinity.

Christians see the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as one God.

Mormons see the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as three separate and not equal gods.

There are many, many more differences in theology…

Their teachings on family life and morals are almost the same as the Catholic Church…
 
If there are any similarities, it would be with some or our moral teachings and family as Will B stated. They also believe in on going revelation, so some of those teachings can still change. They also have a different view of the Trinity and do not believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist among many other beliefs.
 
I understand the history of the Mormon religion has gone through some changes since the time of its founder, Joseph Smith.

Recently our Serra Club had a guest speaker who is a Mormon. He indicated during his talk that on many issues Mormons think a lot like Catholics, but I was puzzled that he did not go into any significant detail on that score.

Does anybody know the current chief doctrines that distinguish the Mormon religion from traditional Catholic and Protestant Christianity?

Please don’t send me to Wikipedia if you have a more authoritative source. Thanks.
According to the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not Christian.

In his article “A Mormon? Seriously?” Chris Ferrara had this to say:

"Should Romney win the Presidency, the nation’s quasi-monarchical Chief Executive will be a member of—why mince words?—a fantasy cult invented 200 years ago by a lunatic in upstate New York.

It all began back in 1823 with Joseph Smith, inventor of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (all Mormons in good standing being saints). Smith had been having visions for quite some time, including an apparition of God the Father and Jesus. One day an angel by the name of Moroni—no, really, his name was Moroni—informed Smith of the location of certain buried golden plates. Many Mormons believe the angel Moroni was once Captain Moroni, a military commander of the Nephites, the tribes that inhabited America around 1 B.C., when Jesus appeared at the Nephite Temple. (I think I have this right, but who really cares?)

The golden plates contained a summary by the great prophet Mormon of what the prophet Nephi (of the aforesaid Nephites) had earlier inscribed on a larger number of plates. Conveniently enough, the plates were buried on a hill near Smith’s home in Manchester, NY. After uncovering the plates—on his fourth annual attempt—Smith translated them with the aid of a “seer stone” he found in the bottom of a hat. By placing the seer stone over his face, he could read the otherwise indecipherable words on the golden plates. Whence the Book of Mormon, which contains such surprising revelations as the existence of three heavenly kingdoms in the afterlife that can be likened to first class, tourist class, and steerage on an ocean liner, with upgrades available as the journey progresses. (A few unfortunate souls, however, are cast overboard into eternal punishment.)

Any questions? Well, you might ask: Where are those golden plates? As the Mormons will tell you, Smith promptly returned them to the angel Moroni! What else would you expect him to do with such priceless sacred objects? The Mormon authorities assure us, however, that there is no reason to doubt Smith’s veracity, for they have carefully preserved the testimony of two groups of witnesses—the Eight Witnesses and the Three Witnesses—who swear they saw the plates before Moroni repossessed them. That settles that.

Long story short: Smith ended up being shot to death during a gun battle with rival Mormons at a jail in Carthage, Illinois where he had been imprisoned after surrendering on charges of riot. (Acting as mayor of nearby Nauvoo, Illinois, Smith had ordered the destruction of a rival Mormon faction’s printing press.) But Smith’s new religion survived. His successor, Brigham Young, acting as President of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, led the cult into the salt flats of the Utah desert because not even Protestant America could tolerate their heresies. There the cult flourished against all odds. Today we have Salt Lake City, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the Osmonds, and million-dollar TV commercials about how cool it is to be a Mormon—so cool that a Mormon will be the Republican candidate for President of the United States. All this because a lone man, with help of an angel named Moroni, had the guts and the gumption to found his own religion, gosh darn it. And isn’t that the American way?

I know you’re thinking: Wait a minute, what about this polygamy business? Not a problem, thanks to the Mormon innovation of Continuing Revelation.® In 1890 the then President of the Church of Latter Day Saints, one Wilford Woodruff, emerged from his meditations to announce that he had received a heavenly bulletin that God no longer approved of Mormon polygamy. Fortunately for Woodruff, God’s change of position did not apply retroactively to his own brace of five wives. Woodruff published the new revelation as the 1890 Manifesto, which mainstream Mormons consider divinely inspired. This revision of Mormon doctrine coincided rather neatly with a series of Congressional enactments penalizing polygamy and disenfranchising Mormon church corporations in the federal territories, and Supreme Court decisions upholding the laws—one of the few issues the federal government has gotten right, albeit for the wrong reasons. (Cf. Reynolds v. United States and Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States).

True, even today there are fundamentalist Mormons who continue to insist on the divine ordination of polygamy. But not to worry: Romney is a mainstream Mormon (there are now three Mormon subdivisions: mainstream, fundamentalist, and reform). As such, he definitely adheres to the 1890 Manifesto—at least so far as we know."
 
The only similarity is, Mormons use Christian terminology. It is all redefined. God is not the one and only creator of the universe, they believe they will all become gods of their own planets.

Peace
David
 
kubark

**Whence the Book of Mormon, which contains such surprising revelations as the existence of three heavenly kingdoms in the afterlife that can be likened to first class, tourist class, and steerage on an ocean liner, with upgrades available as the journey progresses. (A few unfortunate souls, however, are cast overboard into eternal punishment.) **

Thank you for the history lesson. Can you be more specific as to what Mormons teach about the afterlife? Are they on board with the Ten Commandments? Do they consider Jesus to be divine and the redeemer or just another prophet? Is there a Second Coming? Do they have priests and bishops?

I went to a Mormon service once and was struck by how silent and somber the women appeared to be.

Sorry to load you with so many questions. If you would, just answer the ones you can answer without having to look them up.

Thank you! 🙂
 
kubark

**Whence the Book of Mormon, which contains such surprising revelations as the existence of three heavenly kingdoms in the afterlife that can be likened to first class, tourist class, and steerage on an ocean liner, with upgrades available as the journey progresses. (A few unfortunate souls, however, are cast overboard into eternal punishment.) **

Thank you for the history lesson. Can you be more specific as to what Mormons teach about the afterlife? Are they on board with the Ten Commandments? Do they consider Jesus to be divine and the redeemer or just another prophet? Is there a Second Coming? Do they have priests and bishops?

I went to a Mormon service once and was struck by how silent and somber the women appeared to be.

Sorry to load you with so many questions. If you would, just answer the ones you can answer without having to look them up.

Thank you! 🙂
Mormons are not Christians so I don’t really think they have anything important to say regarding the things you mentioned.

In 2001, the Catholic Church determined that baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be considered a valid Christian baptism. The ruling by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was published in the July 16-17edition of the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, after being approved by Pope John Paul II. For more explanation of this ruling, see the article, “Why Mormon Baptism Is Invalid” zenit.org/article-1975?l=english
 
David

gods of their own planets.

Are they polytheists? :confused:
Yes!

The top heaven is reserved for devout Mormons, who go on to become gods and rulers of their own universes. By having their wives and children “sealed” to them during an earthly, temple ceremony, these men-gods will procreate billions of spirits and place them into future, physical bodies. These future children will then worship their father-gods, obeying Mormon commandments, and eventually take their place in the eternal progression to their own godhood.
The rest of the story

Peace
David
 
David, thank you for the reference, which contains the following remarks.

**The lowest heaven is populated by adulterers, murderers, thieves, liars and other evil-doers. These share in a glory and delight impossible to imagine. Their sins have been forgiven, and they now enjoy the eternal presence of the Holy Ghost. **

So, there being no hell, Hitler and friends are now believed to be existing in at least the lowest heaven? Interesting.

kubark, thanks again for your remarks and the website you mentioned. My impression is that Mormonism shares in some respects the developmental history of Islam. Derived perhaps from Christianity (OT and NT) but so different that it belongs in a category all by itself.

I’m not surprised that more is not known by the public about Mormonism. That seems to be the pattern since the 1890s when Congress and the Courts outlawed polygamy and the Mormons changed their teachings.
 
According to the Mormons, even our God the Father, the God of the Bible, started our as an ordinary man on another planet, and was put in charge of Earth as a reward for being a good Mormon. He even has a weird alien name which I forget.

In other words,
there is no God.

Not only is this not Christianity, it’s idolatry.
 
About the Mormons - I was thinking something along the lines of St. Ephiphanius of Salamis that the “Jesus in the sky” mormonist depiction of Christ was not fully constubstantial with the Fullness of God the Father and the Holy Spirit/Ghost. (The Non-Heretical Trinitrarian Trinity)
 
I understand the history of the Mormon religion has gone through some changes since the time of its founder, Joseph Smith.

Recently our Serra Club had a guest speaker who is a Mormon. He indicated during his talk that on many issues Mormons think a lot like Catholics, but I was puzzled that he did not go into any significant detail on that score.

Does anybody know the current chief doctrines that distinguish the Mormon religion from traditional Catholic and Protestant Christianity?
The first qualifier one should make when asking the question is, “Which Mormon groups believe what?” Since there are literally dozens upon dozens of different Mormon denominations we must do justice to each of them… well… at least the groups that have more than just a -few- memebers.

Although my overwhelming impression is that most Mormons have no idea about the range of beliefs among their Mormon neighbors, and often it is something casually laughed off with quips like, “Oh, that’s the FLDS not us.” I am fully aware that there is at least two different Mormon communities of different stripes where I live; likely there are more. When you have two or three different wards (meetinghouses) and/or institutes (indoc-centers) in the same block that is a tip-off to a reality. Most here are Brighamite but across town there is a Josephite community. I have a housemate who is from Montana. Things up there are entirely different than in Utah. In parts of Montana it is believed that their prophet-guy is literally the re-incarnation of God the Father. I am of the learned understanding that in Oregon things are different. And, let’s not forget the old school Mormons who morphed into the ‘Church of Christ’. There are liberal groups that have female priesthood, etc. Then there are the fundies (whose own numbers are quite larger than often admitted). In my meatshop we get polygamists, bigamists, and monogamists. I have come across Mormons who abstain from meat because they were told to. Still others, refrain only from ‘demonic’ pork. I can think of two different magazine publications that use the name ‘Ensign’ even. Provo has a group seperate from the “main-stream” that numbers in the tens of thousands. You get the ladies who wear the blue dresses and then you get the girls who wear the mini-skirts. You get the hipsters and then you got the who cares athiest cultural Mormons who just go through the motions because it is good for business. Last of all, you got the Mormon-folk who actually love Christ as much as possibly can done in a human non-baptised way. There are so many of these great people that sometimes you get messages on the radio during the commute that admonish them not to pray to Jesus… so… it’s a battle.

We need Christians of all-stripes here: Catholics and Protestants alike!

With all that said, I understand that when most folks ask the question they generally mean the big-wigs in Salt Lake City. They are far and by far the most influential in terms of purchasing power.

There really is no way to answer the question except by saying it’s like trying to shoot a moving target. Every reply to a question is a wriggly worm. I have stopped even bothering. Debate is impossible, so instead we have to live among them like living ciboriums bringing the presence of the Eucharist to them since they do not go to Him. We must con-descend in the same way Christ con-descended to the Womb of Mary and subsequently to His flock.

EDIT: I forgot my favorite groups: The burn the flag, seperatists, hanging US senators and chasing down Federal judges, let’s found our own nation-types just like in the early days. And, also the “we drink beer and coffee and wine because Joseph Smith wrote that he did in his journal”-types even though the Salt Lake City published edition is curiously missing the references.
 
The first qualifier one should make when asking the question is, “Which Mormon groups believe what?” Since there are literally dozens upon dozens of different Mormon denominations we must do justice to each of them… well… at least the groups that have more than just a -few- memebers.

Although my overwhelming impression is that most Mormons have no idea about the range of beliefs among their Mormon neighbors, and often it is something casually laughed off with quips like, “Oh, that’s the FLDS not us.” I am fully aware that there is at least two different Mormon communities of different stripes where I live; likely there are more. When you have two or three different wards (meetinghouses) and/or institutes (indoc-centers) in the same block that is a tip-off to a reality. Most here are Brighamite but across town there is a Josephite community. I have a housemate who is from Montana. Things up there are entirely different than in Utah. In parts of Montana it is believed that their prophet-guy is literally the re-incarnation of God the Father. I am of the learned understanding that in Oregon things are different. And, let’s not forget the old school Mormons who morphed into the ‘Church of Christ’. There are liberal groups that have female priesthood, etc. Then there are the fundies (whose own numbers are quite larger than often admitted). In my meatshop we get polygamists, bigamists, and monogamists. I have come across Mormons who abstain from meat because they were told to. Still others, refrain only from ‘demonic’ pork. I can think of two different magazine publications that use the name ‘Ensign’ even. Provo has a group seperate from the “main-stream” that numbers in the tens of thousands. You get the ladies who wear the blue dresses and then you get the girls who wear the mini-skirts. You get the hipsters and then you got the who cares athiest cultural Mormons who just go through the motions because it is good for business. Last of all, you got the Mormon-folk who actually love Christ as much as possibly can done in a human non-baptised way. There are so many of these great people that sometimes you get messages on the radio during the commute that admonish them not to pray to Jesus… so… it’s a battle.

We need Christians of all-stripes here: Catholics and Protestants alike!

With all that said, I understand that when most folks ask the question they generally mean the big-wigs in Salt Lake City. They are far and by far the most influential in terms of purchasing power.

There really is no way to answer the question except by saying it’s like trying to shoot a moving target. Every reply to a question is a wriggly worm. I have stopped even bothering. Debate is impossible, so instead we have to live among them like living ciboriums bringing the presence of the Eucharist to them since they do not go to Him. We must con-descend in the same way Christ con-descended to the Womb of Mary and subsequently to His flock.

EDIT: I forgot my favorite groups: The burn the flag, seperatists, hanging US senators and chasing down Federal judges, let’s found our own nation-types just like in the early days. And, also the “we drink beer and coffee and wine because Joseph Smith wrote that he did in his journal”-types even though the Salt Lake City published edition is curiously missing the references.
Well said!
 
theidler

Thanks for your interesting thoughts.

We have two Mormon groups in our city. One appears to be well off financially, and the other is considerably less so. Their doctrinal differences may well reflect a substantial difference. 👍
 
Somewhere in the book of Mormon it says something along the lines of that people are only saved by grace after they have done all they can do. Meaning simply that Mormons believe you are saved by works not by grace.
 
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