What exactly is Cannon Law?

[TEPO]

Do you believe your plan for saving souls will work better than the current model of RCIA catechesis?

I can’t say for sure, but I do know that the Orthodox dont need to go through RCIA, and they’re allowed to recieve the Eucharist… They can recieve it without even believing in all of our doctrines. So I’m confused here. Perhaps it’s actually the Church itself who is believing that RCIA is not very effective. Maybe they see that true faith only comes to those to whom its given by God Himself. Was there RCIA a thousand years ago, when people couldn’t read, yet their faith was more pure than it is today? …only God knows where the Church is headed, but the devil’s Church can’t follow us into “open-ness”. His reign will end or it all will… Just my opinion of course.

The Catholic Church does not have a closed membership. Everyone is welcome to join. You just have to…join.

Neither does the other team though… It’s just the same way as the Church.

 

[Aramis]

It’s canon, not cannon. It’s the official legal code of the Church, issued by the Vatican. Yes, it does change; the present code of canon law was issued in 1983, replacing that issued in 1917.

Actually, there are two major chunks of Canon Law - one for the Roman Church, and one for the 22 other Churches in the Catholic Communion…

The Codex Iuris Canonici (Code of Canon Law) governs 98% of Catholics. Promulgated in 1983. Link - Latin - English
The Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orentalium (Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches) governs the other 2%. Promulgated in 1990. Link - latin

All links to the vatican website… Canon law page

Note that each of the 22 Eastern Churches in Rome may have also “Particular Law” which augments the canons of the CCEO. In some cases, it is specific enablers of explicit options, in others, additional details specific to that particular Church Sui Iuris.

Churchmen can be tried under canon law for violations of its provisions, and subjected to just penalty. Laymen can be, but usually are not, tho it does specify certain automatic excommunications… It also enumerates the rights of the Faithful in the eyes of the Church.

 

[thistle]

Well I have no issues on Church teaching, I accept them all wholeheartedly. My focus here is only on “opening-up” the Holy Church. Not to water things down by allowing less orthodox Christians in it because that is completely absurd and impossible, and cannot happen. My point is only to draw attention to Gods will and to understand what the cannons are, first of all, and then explore the possibility of actually saving souls, by opening-up the Holy Church.

Unlike many Catholics, I personally believe that Satan is real. I think He’s a copy-cat. I believe he copied a snake, then an angel, and then a bronze-smith named Tubalcain, and now -I think he’s mimicked our Church. But he always takes it to the very furthest limits. Our Chirch requires one to “register” as a member, which is clearly a worldly thing to do. Non-Catholics might even think that we are members of some kind of elitist type religion. Still yet, others might believe that the Holy Church holds secrets, and that there are secret scandals here. Honestly, did the devil not already take the shape of Gods creation prior to slithering into the garden? Likewise, hadn’t the lodges already Been shaped like our Church, with their own deacons and hierarchy? Did they not mimick our closed-ness in membership? And when official charges came up here, now what non-Catholic can tell the difference? The difference between The Church that worships God alone and the Church that worships the world as well as the deeds of men.

I believe that the Catholic Church worked closely with the governments of the world. Now I think she has been replaced by the Church of Satan. Popes have said this! They still do! The Pope is infallible! So why do YOU think the time are changing, and the process of ecumenism has begun? Are we reacting to the movements of the devil?

I’m sorry for being so honest here, I’m even embarrassed to post this, but I think I’ve hit the root of our problem in this age, and why things are happening like they are. Sorry again, and we can take this in any direction from this point.

You DO have issues with Church teaching. You said its not a sin of grave matter to reject them and that is blatantly untrue as several of us have pointed out. I think you should actually learn what the Church teaches instead of making ludicrous statements like the Church has been replaced by the Church of Satan. I would say a Catholic who makes comments like that is in need of urgent help. Talk to your priest!!

 

[Aramis]

I can’t say for sure, but I do know that the Orthodox dont need to go through RCIA, and they’re allowed to recieve the Eucharist… They can recieve it without even believing in all of our doctrines. So I’m confused here. Perhaps it’s actually the Church itself who is believing that RCIA is not very effective. Maybe they see that true faith only comes to those to whom its given by God Himself. Was there RCIA a thousand years ago, when people couldn’t read, yet their faith was more pure than it is today? …only God knows where the Church is headed, but the devil’s Church can’t follow us into “open-ness”. His reign will end or it all will… Just my opinion of course.

Neither does the other team though… It’s just the same way as the Church.

The details of why have been discussed recently in the Eastern Catholics sub-forum…

but it boils down to “Because Canon Law explicitly allows it.” Note that, for most Orthodox, their canon law does not allow them to commune Catholics, nor for them to receive at Catholic liturgies… but exceptions exist and Canon Law provides for those exceptions.
Go to the following page: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2T.HTM
Look up canon 844 §§2,3,4

There is a parallel canon in the CCEO.

Certain situations are more permissive - specifically there are agreements in place for the Assyrian Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholics to share sacraments.

Edit: I should clarify that the Church holds that the Orthodox hold the Catholic Faith already, being at worst in practical schism and invincible ignorance. Entire dioceses and even national churches have come into union in the past, changing only the papal commemorations, and acknowledging that the Catholic Dogmas are truth, even if the wording of how the Romans teach them is alien to that particular church.

 

[TEPO]

You DO have issues with Church teaching. You said its not a sin of grave matter to reject them and that is blatantly untrue as several of us have pointed out. I think you should actually learn what the Church teaches instead of making ludicrous statements like the Church has been replaced by the Church of Satan. I would say a Catholic who makes comments like that is in need of urgent help. Talk to your priest!!

I feel like I’ve just wasted my time here. All I’ve gained from this experience is an increase in blood pressure.