What exactly is dark night of the soul?

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OK I know the basics of what a dark night of the soul is. But how does one know when they are in such a state, or is it possible to know? Does one who is in a ‘dark night of the soul’ usually sin?

If the dark night of the soul is essentially a transformation of the inner self, then it should mean even with the heavy cross to be carried, the person resists temptations and does not mortally sin right?
 
St. John of the Cross wrote an entire book on the subject. The early chapters describe the path that people generally take in the spiritual life and how the dark night fits in. You can read it here.

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OK I know the basics of what a dark night of the soul is. But how does one know when they are in such a state, or is it possible to know? Does one who is in a ‘dark night of the soul’ usually sin?

If the dark night of the soul is essentially a transformation of the inner self, then it should mean even with the heavy cross to be carried, the person resists temptations and does not mortally sin right?
Also you can read a book called Come Be My Light which is the writings of Mother Teresa.
 
OK I know the basics of what a dark night of the soul is. But how does one know when they are in such a state, or is it possible to know? Does one who is in a ‘dark night of the soul’ usually sin?

If the dark night of the soul is essentially a transformation of the inner self, then it should mean even with the heavy cross to be carried, the person resists temptations and does not mortally sin right?
The “Dark Night of the Soul,” comes after the purgation of faults in the persons life, which is what they experienced in the “Dark Night of Sense.” The person has detached themselves from all desires and now only hungers for union with Christ. Souls in this stage will avoid committing even the slightest sins. Also, souls in this Dark Night do not lack faith or love of God, but they no longer receive consolations from God, which they hunger deeply for. Christ is purifying them to where they love God for who He is, rather than what they receive from God. Their love for God is at the deepest stage of their spiritual life.

Boredom in prayer or lack of interest in following religion, is not the “Dark Night of the Soul.” Too many people are confused on this.

People who are in the “Dark Night of the Soul,” cling to prayer and the sacraments because of their deep love for God. They would never abandon these, even for a moment.

Jim
 
So, would someone experiencing a dark night of the soul feel an abandonment by God, but the person wouldn’t abandon God. i.e. Like you said, still pray, attend Mass, desperately want to be close to God but feel he’s not there

That may not make any sense, my brain’s fried…
 
So, would someone experiencing a dark night of the soul feel an abandonment by God, but the person wouldn’t abandon God. i.e. Like you said, still pray, attend Mass, desperately want to be close to God but feel he’s not there
Yes.
Like **Job 13:15 **says: Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face.

One’s love to God is purified and refined through this process.
 
This is a complicated topic, and I think Jim’s hit it pretty well. I wouldn’t bother reading John of the Cross right off the bat if you haven’t read at least a dozen other saints. The carmelite mystics are the most difficult to read, but also the most rewarding. If you don’t understand the concepts involved in catholic mysticism, you will end up way off the mark, however. start with simpler saints. the problem with the mystics is that they are trying to relay information about a topic which we have no experiential frame of referance for. I’ve taught a few classes on the Dark Nights, and with always the same results. people who read John of the Cross without any training confuse a dry spell with a dark night (as was previously mentioned in this thread) or they get scarred of the whole concept. at any rate, St. John himself says that even very few saints actually go through this dark night of the soul, but the majority of devoute souls do go through the the dark night of the senses. if you are courious about these things, my advice is to first understand the dark night of the sense- it’s more useful knowldge because if you haven’t gone through it, you probably will, and if you have gone through it, you will more ten likely end up counsoling some one who will go through it. most confuse the two nights, however, thinking that the night of the sense is actually the night of the soul. the night of the senses is a cakewalk comparatively, and can actually be quite pleasent at times. hope this helps, glen
 
Boredom in prayer or lack of interest in following religion, is not the “Dark Night of the Soul.” Too many people are confused on this.

People who are in the “Dark Night of the Soul,” cling to prayer and the sacraments because of their deep love for God. They would never abandon these, even for a moment.

Jim
Thank you so much for this - it made me start to cry… I have always wondered myself what that term meant…
 
The dark night of the soul is the stage in the spiritual life wherein God progresses the soul to love God purely for Himself. The problem with attachments to material things and even spiritual blessings is that we end up loving the gifts instead of the Divine giver. In the dark night of the soul, all spiritual consolations and supports are taken away. The soul is left with spiritual aridity and cannot even rely on the consolation of sure faith. God withdraws his tangible presence leaving the soul feeling alienated and even shunned by God. During this trying time, the soul may experience tremendous temptations to faith and be assailed by doubts concerning the afterlife or God’s love for the soul. One must rely solely on the darkness of a faith based on God’s revelation through His Church and the written word. Devotion and virtue feel burdensome and even devoid of meaning. The only way through is to tenaciously cling by faith to God despite the lack of all positive spiritual reinforcements. If one persists, they will gain a selfless love of God and a new freedom from the world, the flesh and the devil. God becomes the true center and love of one’s life. Not a bad incentive for toughing it out, is it? 😃
 
I’m curious. Are people here speaking from experience? I know this stuff can be difficult to speak of for a couple of reasons but I’d like to compare notes with my own experiences because I’m trying to understand some of this better.
 
hi,

fr. thomas dubay has an excellent book to learn the teachings of john of the cross and teresa of avila, the title is “fire within”
available from ignatius press.

God bless,

johnco
 
I am probably one of the many that confused a ‘dry spell’ with the ‘dark night’.

But thanks all who posted, there was a lot of good information that I couldn’t find in Google. Cheers jim and glenaitken or someone.
 
Boredom in prayer or lack of interest in following religion, is not the “Dark Night of the Soul.” Too many people are confused on this.

Jim
Thank you. I was one of those who was confused. I am glad i came to this forum & read this (almost skipped it - was looking 4 something else & in a hurry)…

It all makes sense - I could never understand why someone who loves God would go through “boredom in prayer… lack of interest in following religion”.
 
It all makes sense - I could never understand why someone who loves God would go through “boredom in prayer… lack of interest in following religion”.
It’s usually not boredom or lack of interest so much as a feeling that there is a lack of reciprocation on God’s part, although in your mind you know that can’t be the case. it feels as if God has stopped loving you, stopped showering His blessings and aid and presence upon you and all thatyou are left with is yourself, crying vain prayers into the darkness. These feelings are contrary to what is actually going on in the soul, but since the soul can’t see them or hear God, it feels rejected and dejected. The person will sometimes respond to this seeming abandonment by loosing focus in prayer (since God takes that grace away or suspends it or something) and finds prayer difficult. It’s the old “De Profundis”/ “Why have you abandoned me” thing.
 
a feeling that there is a lack of reciprocation on God’s part… it feels as if God has stopped loving you, stopped showering His blessings and aid and presence upon you and all thatyou are left with is yourself, crying vain prayers into the darkness. .
You have perfectly described what i am going through…

And even though you described it perfectly, i am still mystified as to why i am experiencing this… Why does God “do this” to us?? 😦
 
hi,

He does this to us so we will learn to love Him for Himself and not just for His gifts. we must love the Giver and not just the gifts. it’s all part of learning detatchment. see my previous post in this thread for good reading material on these issues.

God bless,

johnco
 
You have perfectly described what i am going through…

And even though you described it perfectly, i am still mystified as to why i am experiencing this… Why does God “do this” to us?? 😦
God “does” this to us out of love. If you think that this is hard for you, try to imagine how hard it is for God to watch you suffer through it. this is the stage where virtue begins to come to perfection. all of the selfish loves you have (especially loving God because it makes you happy) are burnt away here. true virtue consists in doing the right thing even when there is no satisfaction or reward in doing so. A true love of God consists (just like in marriage) not in the feelings or the longings, but in the conviction and steadfastness in faith and hope in loving God. This may be a temporary state for you, as St. John of the Cross says that most times God dips souls in and out of this purification throughout thier lives. The main point is this, “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? don’t the pharasees and tax collectors do the same?” Love God. Love God when it’s easy, and love God when it’s hard. He may feel like an enemy sometimes because you feel rejected, but know that He is not and love Him anyways. This purification of the love of God perfects the souls love for Him so that it is pure and not muddled and mingled with self-love. Think of it as God training you not to be a spiritual “fair weather friend” . Does this help?
 
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