What exactly is the evangelical church?

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*Someone said this to me:

You know very little about the evangelical church so I will not bother with trying to correct yr perceptions.*

Can anyone enlighten me?

Cinette:)
 
technically, it would mean a church that seeks members other than through the birth of new members and that welcomes visitors. Now, it’s come to mean much more than that but those are the two requirements.
 
There is no “the evangelical church”. Evangelical isn’t a denomination, it’s an adjective used to describe many different churches. My own denomination, Assemblies of God, is one of those the adjective is often applied to. But it’s also applied to churches of differing theology. About the only thing they all seem to have in common is that they’re Protestant and generally theologically conservative.
 
Someone said this to me:

You know very little about the evangelical church so I will not bother with trying to correct yr perceptions.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Cinette:)
Well, it sounds as if the person can’t be bothered to engage in a serious discussion and so is using this as a way of dismissing you.

The problem is that, as someone else pointed out, there is no unified “evangelical church.” So any evangelical can accuse you of “misunderstanding” because your picture of evangelicalism is based on a different kind of evangelicalism . . . .

In post 20 on this thread, Cat gave an excellent description that applies to many, probably most American evangelicals. But not all, as I pointed out in my post 23 and as Cat acknowledged with regard to infant baptism.

So there’s no substitute for listening to what a particular evangelical actually believes (this is true for everyone, even for Catholics, but obviously you guys have a much more centralized set of beliefs and practices). However, if they want to go off on you for not getting the “evangelical church” right, you need to respond with something like: “The problem is that different evangelicals have told me different things. Please explain what your church believes.”

Edwin
 
technically, it would mean a church that seeks members other than through the birth of new members and that welcomes visitors. Now, it’s come to mean much more than that but those are the two requirements.
That’s “evangelistic,” not “evangelical.” The two are related, but not identical terms.

Edwin
 
“Evangelical” is a term which describes those religous groups that stress a “personal conversion experience” through faith in Christ. They tend to be fairly conservative in theology as well as life-style. Some…it use to be most…Evangelicals do not drink…go to movies…listen to rock music…do not use tobacco or alcohol…and refrains from coarse language…

There are Evangelical Friends that "run the gambit’…most have worship services in the same style and manner as say Nazarenes or Free Methodists. Some Evangelical Friends meet in un-programmed Meetings…but hold very “conservative” religious views…Trinity, Diety of Christ, literal resurrection, virgin birth, prophesey-end times, second coming type theology.
 
“Evangelical” is a term which describes those religous groups that stress a “personal conversion experience” through faith in Christ. They tend to be fairly conservative in theology as well as life-style. Some…it use to be most…Evangelicals do not drink…go to movies…listen to rock music…do not use tobacco or alcohol…and refrains from coarse language…

There are Evangelical Friends that "run the gambit’…most have worship services in the same style and manner as say Nazarenes or Free Methodists. Some Evangelical Friends meet in un-programmed Meetings…but hold very “conservative” religious views…Trinity, Diety of Christ, literal resurrection, virgin birth, prophesey-end times, second coming type theology.
For the most part this is true.

But as an ex-evangelical, I must point out that the “rules” listed above are not true of all evangelicals.

Evangelicals from many different denominations (and non-denominations) are drinking alcohol now–to me, this is so incredibly shocking because while I was growing up, NO ONE drank alcohol and no one seemed to need it to have fun. I do not like seeing Christians, including Catholic Christians, indulge in alcohol, but I realize that I am in the minority.

Lots of evangelicals go to movies and have always gone to movies. I grew up going to movies. There are some evangelicals who refrain from going to movies, shows, or sporting events on Sundays, but there are Catholics who do the same out of respect for the Lord’s Day.

Evangelicals do indeed listen to rock music! Evangelicals are responsible for “Jesus rock,” which started up in the late 40s and 50s through some of the worship choruses, and then came into its own in the 60s with artists like Larry Norman (RIP) and Randy Stonehill. Christian rock is a huge business nowadays, and most evangelical churches support it by buying the albums and attending concerts and various music festivals featuring Christian artists. Some evangelicals don’t listen to secular rock–why should they? They have Christian alternatives! But many evangelicals DO listen to secular rock and other kinds of secular music.

Tobacco use depends on where you live. Smoking is a habit that does not respect the Lord or any church–there are smokers in every Christian fellowship, even the most strict. When we lived in North Carolina, the Southern Baptists smoked openly and didn’t apologize for it.

Yes, I would agree that most evangelicals refrain from coarse language–and IMO, Catholics should refrain from coarse language, too. The New Testament is full of admonitions about our speech. But some evangelicals do use the “bathroom” words. Tony Campolo is probably most famous for his sermon in which he used the “s” word. It was very effective in the context in which he used it.

In the post that Contarini provided the link for, I mentioned that practices vary widely between evangelicals. I mentioned the example of veils in church–there are several denoms of evangelicals in which the women veil themselves, or at least wear a head-covering of some type, in church.

Another example is communion. Many evangelical churches offer communion services once a month. But there are some that offer communion at every service. And others only offer communion a few times a year. And some actually leave bread and grape juice out at every service and invite people to help themselves.

You just can’t pin down evangelicals! But the one thing that binds them all together is the belief in practicing the Great Commission in Matthew 28: 18-20. That was one of the first passages of Scripture that I memorized when I was a child.

And frankly, I see nothing wrong with this. I think that Catholics have the same devotion to evangelism and obeying the Lord’s Great Commission. The difference is that in many Catholic parishes, it’s not considered something that every Christian needs to do–that’s what the priests and religious are supposed to be doing. In evangelical churches, everyone is involved in fulfilling the Great Commission, not just the pastors and missionaries.
 
It has been a long time…over 30 years since I’ve attended an evangelical church meeting…when I was a teen we attended the Church of the Nazarene…to be a member in good standing and to be allowed to participate in teaching Sunday School or on the Board of Stewards and Trustees…one could not…

-Go to movies
-Attend circuses
-Use ANY tobacco products
-Drink alcohol
-Co-habitate without the benefit of marriage
-Use any non-perscription drugs.
-Expected to tithe 10%
-Use coarse language.
-One expected to wear a minimal of jewlery…women no makeup and no pant.
-One could not buy or sell on Sunday and be a member in good standing
-No "secular’ TV or books on Sunday

I guess things have changed.
 
It has been a long time…over 30 years since I’ve attended an evangelical church meeting…when I was a teen we attended the Church of the Nazarene…to be a member in good standing and to be allowed to participate in teaching Sunday School or on the Board of Stewards and Trustees…one could not…

-Go to movies
-Attend circuses
-Use ANY tobacco products
-Drink alcohol
-Co-habitate without the benefit of marriage
-Use any non-perscription drugs.
-Expected to tithe 10%
-Use coarse language.
-One expected to wear a minimal of jewlery…women no makeup and no pant.
-One could not buy or sell on Sunday and be a member in good standing
-No "secular’ TV or books on Sunday

I guess things have changed.
The Church of the Nazarene has always been very strict. I had an aunt and uncle who were Nazarenes–no TV.

I don’t know if they’ve relaxed these rules or not.

It’s interesting–no cohabitation before marriage and wearing minimal jewelry. Doesn’t it seem strange that these two things are in the same list of “don’ts?” It seems to me that equating jewelry with co-habiting is just not right.

But when I think about it, back when I was evangelical, I was taught that there is no difference between sins. Rape and murder are no more sinful than shoplifting a candy bar from the grocery store or saying a naughty word.
 
The Church of the Nazarene has always been very strict. I had an aunt and uncle who were Nazarenes–no TV.

I don’t know if they’ve relaxed these rules or not.

It’s interesting–no cohabitation before marriage and wearing minimal jewelry. Doesn’t it seem strange that these two things are in the same list of “don’ts?” It seems to me that equating jewelry with co-habiting is just not right.

But when I think about it, back when I was evangelical, I was taught that there is no difference between sins. Rape and murder are no more sinful than shoplifting a candy bar from the grocery store or saying a naughty word.
I had a great uncle who was a Holiness minister. He and his wife only wore wedding bands…he was not to wear a watch unless it had a plain leather strap. She was not allowed to wear earrings, neclaces or make up…they were very plain people.

I’ve heard the “no difference between sins” too…but I understood it to mean not that there were not “worse sins” than others…but no matter what the sin was…we needed a Saviour just the same…“All have sinned…”…and it was unrepented Sin that kept us from God’s Presence…no matter WHAT the unrepented sin was.
 
*Someone said this to me:

You know very little about the evangelical church so I will not bother with trying to correct yr perceptions.*

Can anyone enlighten me?

Cinette:)
The LCMS website talks about evangelical as being, “evangel – the Gospel, the good news of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world”. And mentions that there are some Lutheran Churches in the world that refer to themselves simply as The Evangelical Church. In Germany, the EKG, the Evangelical Church of Germany is a church formed from Lutheran, and Reformed groups.

Jon
 
Well, it sounds as if the person can’t be bothered to engage in a serious discussion and so is using this as a way of dismissing you.

The problem is that, as someone else pointed out, there is no unified “evangelical church.” So any evangelical can accuse you of “misunderstanding” because your picture of evangelicalism is based on a different kind of evangelicalism . . . .

In post 20 on this thread, Cat gave an excellent description that applies to many, probably most American evangelicals. But not all, as I pointed out in my post 23 and as Cat acknowledged with regard to infant baptism.

So there’s no substitute for listening to what a particular evangelical actually believes (this is true for everyone, even for Catholics, but obviously you guys have a much more centralized set of beliefs and practices). However, if they want to go off on you for not getting the “evangelical church” right, you need to respond with something like: “The problem is that different evangelicals have told me different things. Please explain what your church believes.”

Edwin
*Thank you Contarini. That was very helpfull.

In the meantime I found out they also make great Catholics:
  • Peter Kreeft
  • Stephen Ray
  • Thomas Howard
  • Francis Beckwith
They are make great friends.

Cinette:)*:tiphat:
 
For the most part this is true.

But as an ex-evangelical, I must point out that the “rules” listed above are not true of all evangelicals.

Evangelicals from many different denominations (and non-denominations) are drinking alcohol now–to me, this is so incredibly shocking because while I was growing up, NO ONE drank alcohol and no one seemed to need it to have fun. I do not like seeing Christians, including Catholic Christians, indulge in alcohol, but I realize that I am in the minority.I don’t see a problem with alcohol provided it is used in moderation. I might have a whiskey once or twice a year but with meals a glass of wine is good and healthy. I notice that when you visit people they might offer you a glass of wine - it is so much better with a meal. I will have a few sips of my husband’s beer. We do not drink too much.

Lots of evangelicals go to movies and have always gone to movies. I grew up going to movies. There are some evangelicals who refrain from going to movies, shows, or sporting events on Sundays, but there are Catholics who do the same out of respect for the Lord’s Day.*We enjoy a good movie but Hollywood seems to specialise in blasphemy and that drives me mad - we have walked out of a movie or switched the channel on a number of occasions. I will not watch a movie with Tom Hanks. He played in the da Vinci Code and other movies that are full of lies and dangerous. Movies can be really bad for children in their formative years. *

Evangelicals do indeed listen to rock music! Evangelicals are responsible for “Jesus rock,” which started up in the late 40s and 50s through some of the worship choruses, and then came into its own in the 60s with artists like Larry Norman (RIP) and Randy Stonehill. Christian rock is a huge business nowadays, and most evangelical churches support it by buying the albums and attending concerts and various music festivals featuring Christian artists. Some evangelicals don’t listen to secular rock–why should they? They have Christian alternatives! But many evangelicals DO listen to secular rock and other kinds of secular music.There’s rock and there’s rock! Some lyrics are not good and, again, can have a bad influence.

Tobacco use depends on where you live. Smoking is a habit that does not respect the Lord or any church–there are smokers in every Christian fellowship, even the most strict. When we lived in North Carolina, the Southern Baptists smoked openly and didn’t apologize for it.This is a health hazard!

Yes, I would agree that most evangelicals refrain from coarse language–and IMO, Catholics should refrain from coarse language, too. The New Testament is full of admonitions about our speech. But some evangelicals do use the “bathroom” words. Tony Campolo is probably most famous for his sermon in which he used the “s” word. It was very effective in the context in which he used it. There are certain words that we reserve for “special occasions” but never blasphemy.

In the post that Contarini provided the link for, I mentioned that practices vary widely between evangelicals. I mentioned the example of veils in church–there are several denoms of evangelicals in which the women veil themselves, or at least wear a head-covering of some type, in church.

Another example is communion. Many evangelical churches offer communion services once a month. But there are some that offer communion at every service. And others only offer communion a few times a year. And some actually leave bread and grape juice out at every service and invite people to help themselves.

You just can’t pin down evangelicals! But the one thing that binds them all together is the belief in practicing the Great Commission in Matthew 28: 18-20. That was one of the first passages of Scripture that I memorized when I was a child.

And frankly, I see nothing wrong with this. I think that Catholics have the same devotion to evangelism and obeying the Lord’s Great Commission. The difference is that in many Catholic parishes, it’s not considered something that every Christian needs to do–that’s what the priests and religious are supposed to be doing. In evangelical churches, everyone is involved in fulfilling the Great Commission, not just the pastors and missionaries.
***It would be nice if there were “one flock and one Shepherd” as Jesus prayed.

Cinettte:):love:***
 
It has been a long time…over 30 years since I’ve attended an evangelical church meeting…when I was a teen we attended the Church of the Nazarene…to be a member in good standing and to be allowed to participate in teaching Sunday School or on the Board of Stewards and Trustees…one could not…

-Go to movies
-Attend circuses
-Use ANY tobacco products
-Drink alcohol
-Co-habitate without the benefit of marriage
-Use any non-perscription drugs.
-Expected to tithe 10%
-Use coarse language.
-One expected to wear a minimal of jewlery…women no makeup and no pant.
-One could not buy or sell on Sunday and be a member in good standing
-No "secular’ TV or books on Sunday

I guess things have changed.
*Some of the above are sins and some can lead to sin - a word people don’t use in their vocabulary these days.

What about women who belong the the “Boob Brigade” - they are all over the place! LOL!

:)*
 
The Church of the Nazarene has always been very strict. I had an aunt and uncle who were Nazarenes–no TV.
My family thought that Nazarenes were terribly worldly. . . . That tells you something about how I grew up.

Though we did have a TV at times–we mostly used it for the news.

Edwin
 
My family thought that Nazarenes were terribly worldly. . . . That tells you something about how I grew up.

Though we did have a TV at times–we mostly used it for the news.

Edwin
LOL, maybe it was regional. I’m 55 yo. I grew up in the Santa Clara Valley of Calif…the Nazarene church WAS STRICT. Women could not wear pants. Movie and theater were not allowed. Drinking, smoking and dancing were major sins. When I was in the 8th grade I was “excused” from participating in PE for the class on “dance”. We were being prepared for our prom so all of us would be able to dance with someone. My mom said “No, you are not going to the prom where kids will be drinking and dancing.”…

I didn’t go to a movie until I was in my late teens…my best friend and I snuck off to go see “The 10 Commandments” at the drive in…did we get a dressing down by the youth pastor…both of us were supposed to be examples and leaders…how could we go to a place like that? “Would Jesus come into such a place to get you if He returned?”

Didn’t go to a theater again until I was married…I was a Friend by then…Friends don’t have any problem with movies…just use good judgement.
 
I get the impression that you get cold Evangelicals, luke-warm Evangelicals, warm, hot and very hot Evangelicals. I was reading posts on another threads - some believe this, some believe that, others believe something else…etc. Sounded a little like a recipe. I am serious. I know that there are marvellous Evangelicals but there are so many different ones!

We also have some people like that in the Catholic Church - we call them Cafeteria Catholics. Fortunately the Church remains unchanged and sticks to the truth. Cafeteria Catholics expose themselves. Its like a Menu …Hmmm…I don’t like this or that…I accept this and that…" You simply can’t compromise your Faith.

Its hard being Christian.

Cinette:)
 
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