What form of the Roman Rite do you prefer? (Poll)

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Well what about the behavior of the people talking in church when others are trying to pray?

After all, a church is a sacred space.

IAnd what of the needs of the person praying? Wouldn’t you really expect, even in the 21st century, that a church before and after Mass would be a place of quiet with an atmosphere conducive to prayer, and not just like the local coffee shop, or Elks club, where everybody is shooting the breeze and kibbitzing away?

In a perfect world, the poster could have approached the women with a smile, “Ladies, I have a special request, I really need some quiet time here, could you help me out” to which the ladies would have as smilingly replied, "Oh of course, God bless you dear’ while they mindfully found a comfortable spot to carry on, leaving both ‘sets’ happy.

This isn’t a perfect world.

People ask for the right things in the wrong way. They make mistakes.

Do we compound the mistake then by snarling at how uncharitable they are?

How do we feel when people question our ‘tone’ or something we have done? Do we get defensive? Claim their behavior is worse, or causes more problems? Do we ignore a wrong because we’re guilty of the same thing? Do we harp on others because they make us feel uncomfortable? Do we get all self-righteous?

Sure we do. Hopefully we can see it in ourselves and try to be kinder but the point will come that even the kindest response will seem hateful. We don’t operate in vacuums.

Going overboard in berating somebody else’s error doesn’t help anybody but we can all be guilty of it, so easily.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
I tried to ignore them but was so angry that they were talking in church. So I got up, went to them and told them off along the lines of “You were raised properly - you should know better than to talk in church.” They finally shut up.
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Wow. No way in the world I ever could have lashed out at two old ladies like that much less in a church. I don’t know if I was raised properly, but was certainly raised to respect my elders and have compassion for those who might need someone to talk to even if it’s an inopportune time…
 
Still, correction was in place. Perhaps a bit more love was required in that correction, but that correction was needed. False compassion where we let people sin because we respect them almost never leads to good.
 
I prefer the
EF atm. It is helping me understand the Mass so much more. Or perhaps that is the cliff notes in the margins of the missal we get handed to us every Sunday.
 
Honestly, why does no one think of this? I think Ordinariate Use falls under Roman Rite, right? Or at least into Latin Rite I guess.

EDIT: Apparently it falls under Roman Rite. It should be in the poll 🙂
 
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Having a conversation in a church is not necessarily sinful…
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True, but I was told that Church is a place to pray- and when someone is praying there, we should avoid conversations which disrupt them. It may not be a sin but it surely does not abide by principle of charity. There’s time and place to talk, and Church while people are praying is neither of those.
 
Neither does getting angry and accosting two elderly women inside the church. Not by any stretch.

I remember one day sitting in church trying to pray my rosary and there was an elderly lady in the front of church yelling at someone. She seemed agitated, so I walked up to her and asked if she needed assistance. Turned out she had lost her hearing, had no idea how loud she was speaking, and was looking for her walker that an usher had tucked away some place. How wrong I would have been if I would had walked up to her and angrily chided her about her raising.

Two wrongs don’t make a right as they say. Better to assume a good motive for the conversation and pray for patience.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
True, but I was told that Church is a place to pray- and when someone is praying there, we should avoid conversations which disrupt them. It may not be a sin but it surely does not abide by principle of charity.
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Rudeness is also not charitable. I do not remember silence in the Church being one of the precepts, or in the Ten Commandments.
 
pnewton said:
I do not remember silence in the Church being one of the precepts, or in the Ten Commandments.
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It is a common courtesy, and while rudeness is not charitable either, speaking against such thing in my opinion is a good thing- though yes, one has to think about HOW to deliver such message.
 
Perception of rudeness sure does seem to be a one-way street here. Sigh.

Not that it will change anybody’s mind but the scriptures about taking the plank from one’s own eye before addressing the speck in one’s brother’s (or sister’s) eye would probably go a lot further to make us ALL more Christian than the constant “Oh how could somebody be so terribly, horribly, dreadfully rude and unchristian to others and thank goodness we speak up so quickly to condemn her”.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
You were raised properly - you should know better than to talk in church.” They finally shut up.
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That is pretty uncharitable.
While I understand,the people may want to pray, talking in a church after mass is not forbidden.
How do you know that one of these women wasn’t going through something where she just needed a friend to talk to and it happened after Mass?
If you had a problem, you probably should have talked to the Pastor, not accost these women and call into question their upbringing.
If you did that to me, it would not have been a pretty interaction. 😠
 
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I was raised to respect my elders too but they also taught me to respect God.
 
If you look at my original reply, I was not calling into question their upbringing but complimenting them on their upbringing.

I’m going to edit my original reply now since I don’t want to derail this thread.
 
CAF should ban comments that are intended to make the case that one form is better than the other for anything other that reasons of personal preference.

The Church decided that a Mass can be either OF or EF. Period.

We would be better united in the one, holy, apostolic, and Catholic Church If the people who claim fealty to the Magisterium would actually honor that obligation by respecting both forms as prescribed by the Church.
 
I get tiresome of all the threads - EF vs OF. 🍿
Let us give praise and glory to God through prayers and songs. That is ALL that matters!
 
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