What Future Without Children?

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There’s a difference between being social and being good at getting dates and getting into healthy relationships. Many in my age group aren’t doing that.

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Chicken_Pigeon said:
The overall trend is less people getting married and if they do get married they get married later and barely have children if they do decide to have them. More teenagers are virgins than ever and I suspect it’s not by choice given how many are leaving their faiths and how many are either atheist, agnostic, or none

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Are you really pulling the incel card on teenagers? Please tell me you’re not.

People are getting married later (than ever in history) and having fewer children…than the 1960’s. Having 2.1 children survive to adulthood—again in the scope of the past 6,000+ years would have been pretty darned good.
 
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There’s a difference between being social and being good at getting dates and getting into healthy relationships. Many in my age group aren’t doing that.

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Many, but a small minority.

Gen Z tends to actually dislike social media. And while there are trends towards screen time that are unhealthy there’s a lot of evidence that there’s some thought power and real connectedness FTF that previous generations never had. Remember, until the industrial age, most people only saw their families on a daily basis and if they traveled to Mass it was there and back. There were small villiages but for most of history people were agregarian and didn’t have nearly the social requirments that we have today.
 
So they are social “in their own way,” but just don’t get married? I’m somewhat mystified myself; it seems they never date but one day suddenly end up living together.
 
I know many men and women who have never been on a single official date

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At a stand up competition an old comedian went to the washroom and saw a teenage competitor combing his hair but carefully leaving a strand at the back sticking up. The older man asked “looks good but what about the bit at the back?” The young man replied “ that’s my character.”
 
JimG said:
So they are social “in their own way,” but just don’t get married? I’m somewhat mystified myself; it seems they never date but one day suddenly end up living together.
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Because the social constructs aren’t 1960’s courting niceties. While moving in often comes before marriage these days, I’d almost say that there is more thought to a long-term relationship and how those dynamics might work out and preventing the strife of previous generations.
 
Some people simply don’t like children and aren’t going to like them. I’m not sure there’s much point in guilting them into taking it on the chin, for the rest of their lives, just for some larger abstract purpose.
 
As in many other societal questions, there seems to be an issue of that individual vs the group. I suspect that a great many so not want the responsibilities and such that come with children. Just that now it is actually a viable thing to have a relationship and not create children.

When speaking to older people (boomers and older) it sounds like children are just a product of relations.
 
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Maybe this kind of communication style is what makes it difficult to get dates (?). I don’t even know what it means.
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Hey, give him a break - he may be feeling down and in a foul mood, so let’s not ruffle his feathers. It could also be his way of coming out of his shell in anticipation of putting his cape on.
 
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