What gestures do you make during Mass

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I’ve never seen that one!
At each of the server’s parts.

P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Kýrie, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Christe, eléison.
P.Christe, eléison.
S.Christe, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Kýrie, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.

Is that abnormal? I’ve only been going to the TLM for a year now, and I don’t pay much attention to what other people are doing. I actually appreciate that we don’t “have” to do much, it helps me focus on praying better.
 
I nod at the name of Jesus when it is invoked by the priest. That was an early Catholic school teaching that still holds for me. I’ve seen people make a gesture of the three small crosses not only at the gospel reading but earlier in the mass. Not as many people do it at that time though. Maybe someone else remembers that and can post it.
Is there a technical name for that gesture?
Glad you mentioned that. I was thinking of hand motions here. I try to do it too, and sometimes it’s hilarious to watch father and the deacon and subdeacon figure out what to do with their birettas when the scripture reading mentions the holy name a dozen times.
 
There was a whole thread on this a while ago, and a clarification in Notitiae said that the rubrics mean that we should strike our breast only once, but let me tell you: I took a look around during Mass, and found that everyone who did this gesture struck his or her breast three times, and I mean everyone including the clergy, so I decided that since it is not disobedient or contrary to rubrics, that this is a truly organic change in the liturgy that may well inform the next edition of the missal, so now I strike my breast three times.
Actually the triple strike was the norm for maybe 1,000 years so it’s more of a return after a few decades off.
Another unrelated point in these innovations is the unity of worship vs following the GIRM. I think it’s kind of a balancing act between wanting to be obedient, but not wanting to offend, distract, or draw attention to yourself. This is why I do not kneel to receive Eucharist.
It’s really a different topic, but I can’t bring myself not to kneel at Holy Communion anymore, especially since the 2011 GIRM no longer teaches that people should be told not to kneel. I think about Christ the King there in front of me and try not to worry about what other people think.
 
I nod at the name of Jesus when it is invoked by the priest. That was an early Catholic school teaching that still holds for me.
Yes! This is an excellent point which seems to be largely unknown in the parishes I attend. This instruction is in the GIRM, and you are to bow your head at the names of Jesus and Mary, the Saint of the day, and when the three Persons of the Holy Trinity are mentioned. Nobody does this in my home parish, even people I have attempted to “evangelize”, even after our pastor had the instruction printed in the bulletin! :eek:
Actually the triple strike was the norm for maybe 1,000 years so it’s more of a return after a few decades off.
Oh, good. I completely forgot about the EF here, and of course you’re right. Thank you!
 
This is a really interesting point-- personal innovation vs a more organic change.

Another unrelated point in these innovations is the unity of worship vs following the GIRM. I think it’s kind of a balancing act between wanting to be obedient, but not wanting to offend, distract, or draw attention to yourself. This is why I do not kneel to receive Eucharist.

As for going along with what others do, like the hand holding, unless it’s really a violation of the rubrics, my attitude is “When in Rome…” 😉
Actually in the EF the rubrics call for striking the beast each time “mea culpa” is said, so when the old OF translation was used and “though my fault” was said only once, many were confused whether to strike once or 3x. Now with the return of the thricely said “through my fault” many are again striking their breasts 3x.

Not so much innovation or organic development as sheer confusion…
 
I nod at the name of Jesus when it is invoked by the priest. That was an early Catholic school teaching that still holds for me.
I do that too. From the GRIM (para 275)
  1. A bow signifies reverence and honor shown to the persons themselves or to the signs that represent them. There are two kinds of bows: a bow of the head and a bow of the body.
A bow of the head is made when the three Divine Persons are named together and at the names of Jesus, of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of the Saint in whose honor Mass is being celebrated.
 
I cross my forehead, lips, and chest at the announcement of the Gospel. I strike my chest at the Confiteor and at the Agnus Dei.
 
I bow during the Creed at the Incarnation

Love holding hands at the Our Father

Shake hands at sign of Peace and I’ve even been known to do the “PEACE” sign (that was mentioned) to others I/they see across the way.

Oh, and I sing every song and won’t leave until the last stanza is sung!
 
At each of the server’s parts.

P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Kýrie, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Christe, eléison.
P.Christe, eléison.
S.Christe, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.
S.Kýrie, eléison.
P.Kýrie, eléison.

Is that abnormal? I’ve only been going to the TLM for a year now, and I don’t pay much attention to what other people are doing. I actually appreciate that we don’t “have” to do much, it helps me focus on praying better.
I normally attend sung masses, so I never even hear what the servers are saying at that point because the schola is singing.

It’s a beautiful gesture though.
 
Shake hands at sign of Peace and I’ve even been known to do the “PEACE” sign (that was mentioned) to others I/they see across the way.
At my vacation parish, the pastor has completely abolished the call for the Sign of Peace (which is a valid liturgical option), but 100% of the assembly still shakes hands while the Agnus Dei is being sung. 🤷

In my home parish, one of my fellow choir members was known to show the Peace Sign instead of shaking hands, and the pastor put the kibosh on that; evidently he does not think that is reverent or respectful. YMMV.
 
At my vacation parish, the pastor has completely abolished the call for the Sign of Peace (which is a valid liturgical option), but 100% of the assembly still shakes hands while the Agnus Dei is being sung. 🤷

In my home parish, one of my fellow choir members was known to show the Peace Sign instead of shaking hands, and the pastor put the kibosh on that; evidently he does not think that is reverent or respectful. YMMV.
I just cannot understand why one would not be focused on the words “Agnus Dei” and the implication of those words, but choose instead to shake hands.
 
I just cannot understand why one would not be focused on the words “Agnus Dei” and the implication of those words, but choose instead to shake hands.
At least they do not do the wave in the pew! 😛
 
With all the hub-bub about holding hands at the Our Father, etc. I was just curious about what people actually practice. Other than the sign of the cross, the only hand gesture I can find in the GIRM are the three small crosses before the Gospel, so I guess all other gestures are innovations.
The striking of the breast during the Confetior and the bow during the Creed are also in the GIRM. In addition, our Archbishop has called for a bow of the head to be the standard gesture of reverece before receiving Communion.
When other parishoners make innovations in the Mass, as far as hand gestures go, does it bother you?
If someone repeats a gesture that’s already called for at another time, it doesn’t bother me at all. So extra signs of the Cross or string of the breast - no problem. We have many “old school” types who strike their breast three times with the three rings of the bells during the Consecration, for example. It’s the gestures that are completely different that kind of irk me such as the outward swoopy motion some people do when they say “and with your spirit” or the similar one (upward instead of outward swoop) for “we lift up our hearts”. :confused:
 
When someone refuses to shake my hand I take it personally and report it to the priest, and not after the mass but during.:eek:
 
There was a whole thread on this a while ago, and a clarification in Notitiae said that the rubrics mean that we should strike our breast only once, but let me tell you: I took a look around during Mass, and found that everyone who did this gesture struck his or her breast three times, and I mean everyone including the clergy, so I decided that since it is not disobedient or contrary to rubrics, that this is a truly organic change in the liturgy that may well inform the next edition of the missal, so now I strike my breast three times.

Since I am in the choir, and I do not use a music stand, I am often holding a hymnal or a notebook with music in it, so that limits my hand gestures. But for much of the time I am empty-handed, so I take a cue from my altar server training and hold my hands joined in front of me. I am not as strict about it as when altar serving, but to me it feels better than hands at my sides, and I feel it is a suitable gesture for laity overall.
Actually in the EF the rubrics call for striking the beast each time “mea culpa” is said, so when the old OF translation was used and “though my fault” was said only once, many were confused whether to strike once or 3x. Now with the return of the thricely said “through my fault” many are again striking their breasts 3x.

Not so much innovation or organic development as sheer confusion…
The ruling given in 1978 in Notitiae was this:
The words mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa which are found in the Confiteor are introduced in the restored Roman Missal by a rubric of this sort: All likewise … striking their breast, say … (OM, n. 3). In the former Missal, in the same place, the rubric sounded like this:* He strikes his breast three times*. It does not seem, therefore, that anyone has to strike his breast three times in pronouncing those words in Latin or in another language, even if mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa is said. It suffices that there be a striking of the breast.

It is obvious also that only one gesture suffices in those languages in which the words for showing one’s fault have been rendered in a more simple manner, as, for example, in English, « I have sinned through my own fault », or in French, « Oui, j’ai vraiment peche ».
Thus, all that is required is a single strike, regardless of whether the Confiteor contains a triple or only a single invocation of fault. On the other hand, however, it does not seem to be the intention of the rubric to regulate how many times the congregant strikes his breast. One time “suffices” to satisfy the instruction, but nothing appears to forbid or prevent striking three times, if that is the individual’s choice. The old instruction had expressly said “ter,” thrice, and if it had been the intention of the new instruction to limit the striking to once, then it could just as easily have said “semel,” once. The apparently deliberate omission of any adverb of frequency ought typically to be taken to indicate a choice not to regulate the frequency.
 
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