What gives priest authority to forgive anyone of their sins?

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They are human too. What gives them the idea of how many penances they should assign others? I always find the harsh ones the most interesting, I never really know what type of lifestyle they are living, yet here they are yelling at me and telling me to shape up. Why should I have to tell a random person who I do not even know well all my life’s failing with the trust that they are guided by the voice of God. Why can’t I hear God’s voice for myself? If I already feel convicted of sins, why do I need a man to tell what I should do? Supposedly priests are closer to God then the average person, that is not always the case. I will take their word, but I have been distrustful of confessing my sins to a priest. They are not better than me.
 
They are human too. What gives them the idea of how many penances they should assign others? I always find the harsh ones the most interesting, I never really know what type of lifestyle they are living, yet here they are yelling at me and telling me to shape up. Why should I have to tell a random person who I do not even know well all my life’s failing with the trust that they are guided by the voice of God. Why can’t I hear God’s voice for myself? If I already feel convicted of sins, why do I need a man to tell what I should do? Supposedly priests are closer to God then the average person, that is not always the case. I will take their word, but I have been distrustful of confessing my sins to a priest. They are not better than me.
It is not because the priest is better than the one confessing.

Catechism of the Catholic Church1461 Since Christ entrusted to his apostles the ministry of reconciliation,65 bishops who are their successors, and priests, the bishops’ collaborators, continue to exercise this ministry. Indeed bishops and priests, by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, have the power to forgive all sins “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

1466 The confessor is not the master of God’s forgiveness, but its servant. The minister of this sacrament should unite himself to the intention and charity of Christ.71 He should have a proven knowledge of Christian behavior, experience of human affairs, respect and sensitivity toward the one who has fallen; he must love the truth, be faithful to the Magisterium of the Church, and lead the penitent with patience toward healing and full maturity. He must pray and do penance for his penitent, entrusting him to the Lord’s mercy.
 
Why do I need a bank to loan me money? I should be able to just go and take it for myself.

Logic 101.
 
They are human too. What gives them the idea of how many penances they should assign others?
‘Penance’ and ‘forgiveness’ are two completely different things. As others have noted, ‘forgiveness’ (that is, ‘absolution’) is possible because Jesus said it was. ‘Penance’, on the other hand, is not necessarily complete ‘satisfaction’ for sins, but is a means by which we enter on the path to perfection.
I always find the harsh ones the most interesting, I never really know what type of lifestyle they are living, yet here they are yelling at me and telling me to shape up.
Does a doctor have to live a perfect lifestyle to be able to tell you to stop smoking and eat right and exercise? Is a doctor who smokes and overeats and fails to exercise wrong when he tells you to do otherwise?
Why should I have to tell a random person who I do not even know well all my life’s failing
'Cause Jesus said so? :sad_yes:
Why can’t I hear God’s voice for myself?
Two thoughts: first, 'cause that isn’t the way that God set it up. 🤷

Second, because (as the Bible shows, over and over again), we humans are experts at rationalizing away sins. Without the ‘voice of God’ – evident in the OT in God’s prophets, and in the NT in Jesus’ command to the apostles to forgive sins – it’d be a rare instance, indeed, to find a person who always “heard God’s voice” when he sinned.
If I already feel convicted of sins, why do I need a man to tell what I should do?
Why does the Bible tell us to confess our sins to one another? Why does it tell us to admonish the sinner? Why does it tell us to confront the sinner – singly, and in pairs, and before the Church? Because we do a really poor job of being ‘convicted of sins’. 😉
Supposedly priests are closer to God then the average person, that is not always the case.
That depends on what you mean by ‘closer to God’. The way you say it, it’s too vague to respond. Care to rephrase that, so we have a chance to discuss what you mean?
I will take their word, but I have been distrustful of confessing my sins to a priest. They are not better than me.
Doctors aren’t ‘better than you’; yet, I’m guessing that you go to them for physical care. Psychologists aren’t ‘better than you’; yet, we go to them for mental/emotional care. Why does the ‘better than you’ criterion only apply to priests?
 
The only thing I have to add to what others above have already said more eloquently than I could have put it is that a priest is not a “random person.” He is a child of God who was called by Him to become what he is and had the humility to say “yes” to that call.

I will pray for you this afternoon as I attend (and possibly serve in some way) the archdiocese’s annual presbyteral ordination Mass. God bless! :highprayer:
 
They are human too. What gives them the idea of how many penances they should assign others?
Your thoughts arent new. In fact this argument goes back to when Christ was on earth.

Luke 5:20-21 (bold from me):When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”

21The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

As you can see, the Pharisees are thinking of Christ the same way you are thinking of your priest. “Only God can forgive sins. Who does this man think he is to claim such a divine ability?!”

Of course, later in the passage we see Christ knows what is in their hearts. He performs a miracle by healing the man, hence showing that He did, in fact, have the divine power to not only heal, but to forgive sins.

Later he entrusts this duty/power/responsibility to His apostles:

John 20:22-23: "And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

This Apostolic succession has been kept for 2000+ years.

So, to wrap up, yes,your priest is a mortal man. And yes, he does have the authority granted him by Christ to hear confessions and grant forgiveness on behalf of Our Lord.
I always find the harsh ones the most interesting, I never really know what type of lifestyle they are living, yet here they are yelling at me and telling me to shape up.
The lifestyle of the priest is immaterial. I’m reminded of a story about St. Francis of Assisi. A group of townspeople were upset because their parish priest was notorious for breaking his vow of celebacy. The people went to St. Francis and complained, denouncing the priest for having a woman living in his house. They villified him and thought that they should not have to confess to this unrighteous man.

In response, St. Francis was taken to the priest. Upon meeting him St. Francis fell to his knees and kissed the priest’s hands- for those were the hands that blessed the Sacred Host and brought the Body of Christ into the world at every mass.

So, that’s one illustrative story. As for the rest, I suggest you open up your Bible and study any one of the figures depicted, whether OT prophet or NT apostle. I think you will find them all too human. We are all flawed creatures. Your priest is no different. He’s human like the rest of us, and I’m sure he has his flaws. His flaws, however, do not prohibit him from performing the work assigned to him. Remember, it is not by his own power that he is doing anything. The forgiveness of sins is through the power of God, simply worked through the priest. During the sacraments the priest is In Persona Christi or “In the person of Christ”.
Why should I have to tell a random person who I do not even know well all my life’s failing with the trust that they are guided by the voice of God. Why can’t I hear God’s voice for myself?
Again, a very old argument. Check out the Old Testament where the people of Israel asked Moses the same thing. “Why should we listen to you? Why are you so special? Why doesn’t God just speak to us instead of talking through you?!”

I’ll let you look that one up yourself. It’s a good story.
If I already feel convicted of sins, why do I need a man to tell what I should do? Supposedly priests are closer to God then the average person, that is not always the case. I will take their word, but I have been distrustful of confessing my sins to a priest. They are not better than me.
See above. You aren’t being forgiven by the person of the priest. You are being forgiven by God, whom the priest is acting on behalf of.

And beware of pride, my friend. It’s the first of all sins.
 
Your thoughts arent new. In fact this argument goes back to when Christ was on earth.

Luke 5:20-21 (bold from me):When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”

21The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

As you can see, the Pharisees are thinking of Christ the same way you are thinking of your priest. “Only God can forgive sins. Who does this man think he is to claim such a divine ability?!”

Of course, later in the passage we see Christ knows what is in their hearts. He performs a miracle by healing the man, hence showing that He did, in fact, have the divine power to not only heal, but to forgive sins.

Later he entrusts this duty/power/responsibility to His apostles:

John 20:22-23: "And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

This Apostolic succession has been kept for 2000+ years.

So, to wrap up, yes,your priest is a mortal man. And yes, he does have the authority granted him by Christ to hear confessions and grant forgiveness on behalf of Our Lord.

The lifestyle of the priest is immaterial. I’m reminded of a story about St. Francis of Assisi. A group of townspeople were upset because their parish priest was notorious for breaking his vow of celebacy. The people went to St. Francis and complained, denouncing the priest for having a woman living in his house. They villified him and thought that they should not have to confess to this unrighteous man.

In response, St. Francis was taken to the priest. Upon meeting him St. Francis fell to his knees and kissed the priest’s hands- for those were the hands that blessed the Sacred Host and brought the Body of Christ into the world at every mass.

So, that’s one illustrative story. As for the rest, I suggest you open up your Bible and study any one of the figures depicted, whether OT prophet or NT apostle. I think you will find them all too human. We are all flawed creatures. Your priest is no different. He’s human like the rest of us, and I’m sure he has his flaws. His flaws, however, do not prohibit him from performing the work assigned to him. Remember, it is not by his own power that he is doing anything. The forgiveness of sins is through the power of God, simply worked through the priest. During the sacraments the priest is In Persona Christi or “In the person of Christ”.

Again, a very old argument. Check out the Old Testament where the people of Israel asked Moses the same thing. “Why should we listen to you? Why are you so special? Why doesn’t God just speak to us instead of talking through you?!”

I’ll let you look that one up yourself. It’s a good story.

See above. You aren’t being forgiven by the person of the priest. You are being forgiven by God, whom the priest is acting on behalf of.

And beware of pride, my friend. It’s the first of all sins.
What is your point? Shouldn’t the priest learn to live celibately too if he is telling his parishioners to live so? Who are you to tell me to stop doing X, Y, Z and if you TOO cannot stop your sinning?
 
What is your point? Shouldn’t the priest learn to live celibately too if he is telling his parishioners to live so? Who are you to tell me to stop doing X, Y, Z and if you TOO cannot stop your sinning?
I dont know if I can make this any clearer. I’ll try.
  1. ALL people are sinners in some way, shape or form. We have a fallen nature. We make mistakes. You are no exception. Your priest is no exception. The Pope is no exception. I can assure you, your priest likely attends confession on a regular basis as a penitent. He is not “Holier than thou”. He struggles just like you do and goes through the same process for reconciliation to the Lord.
  2. Yes, the priest should be living according to his oath of celibacy. He didn’t. He was obviously wrong for that. St Francis was illustrating that even and imperfect priest is still a priest. The power to forgive sin does not come from the flawed person, it comes from God. It is simply transmitted through the priest.
  3. He isn’t telling you to stop doing X, Y, Z because he wants to be bossy or judgmental. You obviously recognize the sin that you committed. You shared it with the priest. Part of REPENTANCE is making a true effort to change your ways and avoid sin in the future.
 
Why can’t do these things myself? I know my personal convictions. I probably know my intentions more than he does. Why can’t assign myself prayers to reconcile myself with God? What difference does it make if I say eight hail maries or not. Who decided eight hail Mary’s makes up for a particular sin? Sure we are all sinners regardless, some people’s sins are worse and more deliberate than others. I would be annoyed confessing fornication to a priest who has no problem violating his chastity vows. If it is so easy to turn away from sin, why doesn’t he?
 
Why can’t do these things myself? I know my personal convictions. I probably know my intentions more than he does. Why can’t assign myself prayers to reconcile myself with God?
Because you haven’t been granted authority by God to forgive your own sins.

In fact, even priests cannot forgive their own sins. As I stated before, they have to go to confession too.

Priests have always had the task to reconcile sinners with God. Even in the OT the priests would make animal sacrifices to atone for penitent people.
What difference does it make if I say eight hail maries or not. Who decided eight hail Mary’s makes up for a particular sin?
It really isn’t to ‘make up’ for anything. I mean, no amount of Glory Be’s or Hail Marys is going to make up for killing a person or something like that. The number and type of penance to be performed is usually completely at the discretion of the priest. Fr Larry Richards is famous for usually only assigning a single ‘Our Father’ for penance, regardless of the amount or type of sin.
 
If it is so easy to turn away from sin, why doesn’t he?
What part of “We all fail sometimes” do you not get?

Its like you want to walk into a confessional and say “Oh father, I totally had sex outside of marriage, but I know that you sinned at some point too, so instead of telling me not to do that anymore I just want you to forgive me even though I fully intend to go out and pick up another date tonight…”

Doesn’t work that way.
 
Why can’t do these things myself? I know my personal convictions. I probably know my intentions more than he does. Why can’t assign myself prayers to reconcile myself with God? What difference does it make if I say eight hail maries or not. Who decided eight hail Mary’s makes up for a particular sin? Sure we are all sinners regardless, some people’s sins are worse and more deliberate than others. I would be annoyed confessing fornication to a priest who has no problem violating his chastity vows. If it is so easy to turn away from sin, why doesn’t he?
The simple answer why you can’t do these things yourself is because Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament of confession as the means by which we are to have our sins forgiven by God. Since God is the one who forgives us our sins, He can institute any means He wants by which we are to be forgiven. Even the Israelites under the Old Testament were to bring sin offerings to the priests for the forgiveness of their sins and in atonement for them. We can also consider that the sacrament of confession has the great advantage for us of assuring us that our sins are forgiven when the priest in the name of Jesus Christ absolves us of our sins. If we go directly to God asking for forgiveness for our sins without confession, though God wants to forgive us our sins certainly, how certain can we really be that God actually forgives us especially if the quality of our contrition and sorrow for our sins is something to be desired? To remove this uneasiness and doubt, our Lord Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament of confession for our benefit so that if even if our contrition is imperfect but still we are truly contrite with the firm purpose of amendment, we can rest assured that when the priest absolves us of our sins, we are forgiven by God and we can go in peace just as if it was Jesus himself saying to us as he said to the sinful woman who bathed his feet with her tears when he reclined at the pharisee’s house " “Your sins are forgiven…go in peace" (Luke 7: 48,50) or to the paralytic “Son, be of good heart; thy sins are forgiven thee” (Matt 9:2).
 
What part of “We all fail sometimes” do you not get?

Its like you want to walk into a confessional and say “Oh father, I totally had sex outside of marriage, but I know that you sinned at some point too, so instead of telling me not to do that anymore I just want you to forgive me even though I fully intend to go out and pick up another date tonight…”

Doesn’t work that way.
The example with the priest was not a good one. It is one thing for a priest to fail and have a one-night stand but to actually have a woman live with him means he is still living in mortal sin. It is odd to me if a priest were to hear confessions daily and administer mass and give people advice yet he would allow himself to go as far as living with a woman. It would annoy me if he was especially harsh, seeing he obviously can’t live up to God’s commandments himself.
 
The example with the priest was not a good one. It is one thing for a priest to fail and have a one-night stand but to actually have a woman live with him means he is still living in mortal sin. It is odd to me if a priest were to hear confessions daily and administer mass and give people advice yet he would allow himself to go as far as living with a woman. It would annoy me if he was especially harsh, seeing he obviously can’t live up to God’s commandments himself.
Because GOD can work even with the most twisted roads and still achieve HIS goals.
Without that priest we could not point out to you that how sinful that priest was, makes no difference for the people who received GOD’s absolution or a valid eucharist.

These gifts come directly from GOD through the power conferred by Jesus to His apostles.
Your question that I bolded was answered by Jesus Himself
Matthew 23:2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have sat down in the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, all things whatsoever that they shall say to you, observe and do. Yet truly, do not choose to act according to their works. For they say, but they do not do.
St. Francis did understand this teaching from Jesus and acted accordingly, maybe by showing that priest respect for his station in life (an ordained priest) he reconsidered his acts against GOD and repented from them. Otherwise it is quite possible that he did not enter through the narrow gate. Remember that to whom much is given so also much is asked.

As for your other comment about setting a penance for yourself, the penance presupposes that we want to correct our sinful behaviours.
We are very poor judges when we have to judge ourselves. Again Jesus gave us the example why:
Luke 6:41 And why do you see the straw that is in your brother’s eye, while the log that is in your own eye, you do not consider?
I am better off having a priest remove my log from my eye rather than me foolishly believe I have a straw in it. Don’t you think?

 
Why can’t do these things myself? I know my personal convictions. I probably know my intentions more than he does. Why can’t assign myself prayers to reconcile myself with God? What difference does it make if I say eight hail maries or not. Who decided eight hail Mary’s makes up for a particular sin? Sure we are all sinners regardless, some people’s sins are worse and more deliberate than others. I would be annoyed confessing fornication to a priest who has no problem violating his chastity vows. If it is so easy to turn away from sin, why doesn’t he?
Are you the recipient of the power that Christ granted to the Apostles,
22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
If so, who granted you that power, and where did THEY get it from?
 
It would annoy me if he was especially harsh, seeing he obviously can’t live up to God’s commandments himself.
You keep using the word ‘harsh’ to describe priestly behavior. What exactly do you mean by ‘harsh’?

Do you expect the priest to yell at you? Do you think he’s going to give a difficult penance? Do you think he’s going to wag a finger at you and tell you that you are a bad person?

Obviously I don’t know your priest, but I can tell you that ‘harsh’ behavior is not the norm at all inside the confessional.

The priest isn’t going to ‘call you out’ on anything. I’ve never heard a priest yell during confession.

You search your own heart. You recall God’s laws and you do a serious internal audit as to what you’ve kept well and what you’ve messed up in the past. Once you’ve finished searching your own soul and gazing upon your own sins, you head to the confessional.

“Bless me, father, for I have sinned…” and then you give up your confession to God.

The priest (in my experience) won’t say anything until you are finished. My priest is usually silently praying as he hears confessions.

Afterward the priest will give penance (usually prayers or something like ‘do something nice for someone today’) and you say an act of contrition, and then the priest makes the sign of the cross and grants absolution in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

My priest rarely gives advice at all unless it is asked for. He doesn’t need to tell you what to do. He doesn’t need to tell you that you were wrong. He doesn’t need to tell you to stop doing whatever sin it is…

You searched your soul. You already identified your sins. You are the one who brought them to confessional to have your soul healed.

Once confessed, you know that what you did was wrong, and by saying the Act of Contrition you vow to God that you will make a true effort not to repeat the sins again.

The priest doesn’t yell or any such thing. Instead he simply takes the confession that you give him, he offers it up to God and grants absolution on God’s behalf.
 
Well, you can try your method— but you’ll have no assurance your sins are actually forgiven.

Or, you can abide by the sacrament that Christ instituted for the church to follow. Trust in it’s teachings that it has upheld across the millennia and have the assurance that your sins are actually forgiven.

The requirement to orally confess your sins, to admit to them out loud to another human being is a humbling experience, humility is a good thing to develop.

Different priests have different approaches, just like instructors/teachers. You can learn and take away different things from different approaches-- all should help you to grow in faith, if you consider them.
 
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