What good is conscience if it can't change our behavior?

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Some people say our consciences have an effect on changing our behavior.All of us believe we have a conscience.But if we have consciences how is it possible that man can do evil without changing?the nazis I believe our a good example.Million were starved,killed, and tortured and thousand aided and abetted this behavior.If our consciences are able to change our behavior what good is it?
 
Conscience can only compel us to change our behavoir, I guess. The rest is up to our own free will. In it’s defense, conscience often has alot to fight against.
 
I have to agree with Allegro. It takes more than conscience to make men “good.” I will also add that our conscience can be manipulated, ignored, rationalized, etc.
 
Some people say our consciences have an effect on changing our behavior.All of us believe we have a conscience.But if we have consciences how is it possible that man can do evil without changing?the nazis I believe our a good example.Million were starved,killed, and tortured and thousand aided and abetted this behavior.If our consciences are able to change our behavior what good is it?
Our conscience helps us to see what is right and what is wrong. Conscience does not change our behavior, we have free will to choose right or wrong.

It is the grace of God , if we are open to receiving it and then making the right choice, that can change us.
 
The conscience doesn’t change our behavior. The conscience is the little voice in your head that says “listen… that was wrong…” or “do this… it’s the right thing to do…”

Why can man do evil? The conscience can be ignored and reasoned with.
 
The conscience doesn’t change our behavior. The conscience is the little voice in your head that says “listen… that was wrong…” or “do this… it’s the right thing to do…”

Why can man do evil? The conscience can be ignored and reasoned with.
I like your answer.And this is my opinion only that its appears from what Ive read and experienced in my own life from watching others that a conscience can be very dead(or in otherwords a person can be very bad even at an early age depending on his enviorment).We are made as such that we pick up on our parent’s behavior and attitudes from our very first moments of our birth.We know nothing but what we see and hear.Our conscience is neutral at this pt.For a child to be a little brat he feels no guilt but is only drawing on his enviorment at home.What causes a person to change his behavior later in life?We knnow that many don’t change at all but continue and only gets worse.I may use Hitler as an example.Is it possible that they never hear this little voice of conscience?Is it possible that they can live a full life and never recognized God in the world?
 
Some people say our consciences have an effect on changing our behavior.All of us believe we have a conscience.But if we have consciences how is it possible that man can do evil without changing?the nazis I believe our a good example.Million were starved,killed, and tortured and thousand aided and abetted this behavior.If our consciences are able to change our behavior what good is it?
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There maybe conscience of what is good, there maybe conscience of what is evil, but it is the what is in the heart that men seek to be fulfilled. And no man can escape the desire for the fulfillment of what is in his heart. Hence God changes what is in one’s heart to what is in God’s Heart. And that is what changes the man’s desire and changes what he hopes the in fulfillment of. Of which the conscience follows.
 
I agree that conscience is Grace from God. However, I believe conscience can be strengthened, or weakened, depending on the behavior, environment, and choices of the individual.

Thus, if we choose to spend time with God, and serve others, our conscience will be strengthened. I am also hypothesizing that our judgment and wisdom will improve. Even our ability to discern warnings of impending danger could improve.

However, if we choose to not spend time with God, and dabble at first small ways in vice, the opposite is true.
 
Though conscience does not determine the behavior, it plays the important role of instantaneously determining the “good” and “bad” of a behavior.

You are correct that an undeveloped/unchanged conscience cannot change behavior. However the conscience can be developed to consider more perspectives and justifications through education by word and life experiences.

And conscience will influence desire which directs will.
 
The two concepts of shame and guilt being squelched within our world today by many counselors and 12-step groups leads to this deadening of conscience.

As one who has gone from the innocence of a child to the rebelliousness of a young adult back full circle to middle aged adult-- I can say that guilt can be a person’s best friend when looked at with the eyes of God.

Shame, or to shush the soul, as Ive been taught may be another story.
 
I think I’d say that conscience helps preserve our freedom of will. Our fallen (sinful) nature is often inclined to wrong, while a properly formed and educated conscience will remind us of what is right. We still must choose among the various options, so conscience will never force us to do good–but without conscience, choosing good would be much harder.
 
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There maybe conscience of what is good, there maybe conscience of what is evil, but it is the what is in the heart that men seek to be fulfilled. And no man can escape the desire for the fulfillment of what is in his heart. Hence God changes what is in one’s heart to what is in God’s Heart. And that is what changes the man’s desire and changes what he hopes the in fulfillment of. Of which the conscience follows.
its a good response in my view however let me point to someone whom we’re all familiar and try to help my understanding.you say that we cannot escape the desire for the fullfillment which is in our heart.I refer to hitler as my example.the desire in his heart seemed to be recognized as the world leader and the greatest human being on earth.now common sense leads us to believe that he didn’t believe in Jesus as savior.im not judging mind you just questioning my logic in my understanding of the man.Is it possible for such a man not to turn to Jesus because he doesn’t know enough about Him or he has been given so much false information that he doesn’t give God much of a thought.In otherwords can such a character not make a choice whether to accept Jesus or not ?If you don’t accept Jesus how can your conscience proof you of good or evil?Hitler believed the Jews were evil.Not himself or the German people.
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its a good response in my view however let me point to someone whom we’re all familiar and try to help my understanding.you say that we cannot escape the desire for the fullfillment which is in our heart.I refer to hitler as my example.the desire in his heart seemed to be recognized as the world leader and the greatest human being on earth.now common sense leads us to believe that he didn’t believe in Jesus as savior.im not judging mind you just questioning my logic in my understanding of the man.Is it possible for such a man not to turn to Jesus because he doesn’t know enough about Him or he has been given so much false information that he doesn’t give God much of a thought.In otherwords can such a character not make a choice whether to accept Jesus or not ?If you don’t accept Jesus how can your conscience proof you of good or evil?Hitler believed the Jews were evil.Not himself or the German people.
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thanks for the reply

Hitler, as I understand it, had a passion for. If you have ever seen some of the old reals when he was publicly speaking, his passion for, was obvious. (It seems to me, any ways) But what was his passion for? And was it misguided? And because of his demonstrated passion for, did the German people entrust his with? He basically preached the fulfillment of what he had a passion for, and the German people agreed, in the sense that in their own hearts was the same. But this doesn’t mean he was deceiving in his passion for. Could it be, he in his passion for, wasn’t for the Living God nor God’s People, therefore, being deceived?

But I would much rather talk about the Lord Jesus, and His People. One should look to understand how to stay upright, and on the path, set by the Lord Jesus Christ. Not so much to understand how not to.

The Lord doesn’t require you to do as Hitler did, therefore your not required to know how Hitler did it.
 
I consider a conscience to be like any other (name removed by moderator)ut to our decision making. It is in many ways like our hearing. We can train our hearing. By this I dont necessarily mean our actual ability to hear sounds but our processing ability to determine what causes those sounds or what those sounds actually are. Hearing ultimately is about meaning. For instance sound could mean a dangerous animal is near or it could mean that someone is playing music.

I dont know if any studies have been done but anecdotally there are stories that say that people who lose their sight have a more acute hearing. What I think this probably means is that without other senses they simply pay more attention to their hearing and thus can get more information from that sense.

When making a decision we have access to our conscience. We are free to ignore it because we are free. The Scripture speaks of searing our conscience. The more we go against it the less (name removed by moderator)ut it offers to our decision making. The more we listen to it and use it the stronger this ‘sense’ is. Just as hearing a train coming does not make us jump off of a train track our conscience does not prevent us from doing bad things.
 
The problem is that we can override our consciences. And we live in a world where “overridden consciences”, with all the prejudices and biases that implies, are handed down to us or passed onto us by ancestry, peers, various authorities, etc. This is possible because God is not the god of man in this world since man was exiled-or exiled himself-from the garden, from Gods presence, from Gods authority.

From then on scripture tells us that sin abounded and multiplied because man became the determiner of his own conscience, of his own morality. Man was his own god, IOW, but, not being up to the task, this meant that man could only lose, not gain; he’d become less than who he was rather than the greater being he was aspiring to be. Because now disorder had entered mans world-and this disorder consisted in the unnatural situation-the injustice -of man no longer even believing in God, let alone having hope in Him, let alone loving Him in an intimate relationship where God’s will would reign supreme within man. Man was now divided, not only with God but with *himself-*with his very own nature, his very own conscience. And this is the lot we find ourselves in in this world-it’s a condition sometimes known as “lost”.
 
The problem is that we can override our consciences. And we live in a world where “overridden consciences”, with all the prejudices and biases that implies, are handed down to us or passed onto us by ancestry, peers, various authorities, etc. This is possible because God is not the god of man in this world since man was exiled-or exiled himself-from the garden, from Gods presence, from Gods authority.

From then on scripture tells us that sin abounded and multiplied because man became the determiner of his own conscience, of his own morality. Man was his own god, IOW, but, not being up to the task, this meant that man could only lose, not gain; he’d become less than who he was rather than the greater being he was aspiring to be. Because now disorder had entered mans world-and this disorder consisted in the unnatural situation-the injustice -of man no longer even believing in God, let alone having hope in Him, let alone loving Him in an intimate relationship where God’s will would reign supreme within man. Man was now divided, not only with God but with *himself-*with his very own nature, his very own conscience. And this is the lot we find ourselves in in this world-it’s a condition sometimes known as “lost”.
Thanks for your answer.I believe its true to say that man does override his conscience.He knows for certain when he is not doing something that he should.he just doesn’t see the outcomes of his bad choice.But as he continues on eventually he sees his terrible mistakes or he or refuses to change and the situation only gets worse.IMO there is a built in laziness in man and he doesn’t like responsibllity.He wants to enjoy life on his terms.Your answers were insightful.
 
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