What Happened to Dogs?

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

how can you be a good satan?

Using your conception, satan is created by God. God is good, and HE naturally created everything good. So satan is good. Unless you want to admit that God created something bad.

Besides, can’t you take a joke?

I adore my mother, does that mean I worship her? Pick another definition.

Worship and adore is almost similar. If you adore your mother truly, you will do whatever she wants, you will want to be just like her etc-etc. But if you want a better definition, ask Rodrigo, for he is a native English speaker.

Again, which religion are you speaking about? Both the Bible and the Quran teach that one should fear the punishment of hell…the punishment of God.

Even if hell is there, do you think God wants us to worship Him only because we fear of hell? How true is someone who worship because of fear? That’s why I compare it to dictatorship.

ok, what does this have to do with Islam?

While Christ spoke of love in worshipping God, Mohammed spoke of the fear of not worshipping God. You can check Christ saying in bible, did He stress on the fear of God or the love to God. And you can compare it to what Mohammed said.

Fox, i really dont feal like debating the point back and forth. I believe Allah is my creator and I chose to obey all His laws. That’s it.

Again I have to ask you. How do you know if it’s Allah’s law and not Devil’s law.

And while you think this is debating, I take it as a discussion between two friends, anyway.

Fox

 

[Faith101]

Using your conception, satan is created by God. God is good, and HE naturally created everything good. So satan is good. Unless you want to admit that God created something bad.

You cant be serious. Your joking…ha ha

Besides, can’t you take a joke?

With our differing perspectives, I dont know what is a joke and what isnt. Please tell me it was a joke

Worship and adore is almost similar. If you adore your mother truly, you will do whatever she wants, you will want to be just like her etc-etc. But if you want a better definition, ask Rodrigo, for he is a native English speaker

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bolded statment just proved by point. DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
ITs not about understanding English…its about what worship means to you. When you say that you worship God, what does that mean?

Even if hell is there, do you think God wants us to worship Him only because we fear of hell? How true is someone who worship because of fear? That’s why I compare it to dictatorship.

Again, what does this have to do with Islam. The Muslims relation with God is not solely based on fear. Again, see the verse in the Bible

While Christ spoke of love in worshipping God, Mohammed spoke of the fear of not worshipping God. You can check Christ saying in bible, did He stress on the fear of God or the love to God. And you can compare it to what Mohammed said.

Christ, according to your Bible, also spoke of the fear of not worshipping God…do you even *read * my posts?

It is He Who creates from the very beginning, and He can restore (life).** And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Full of Loving-Kindness** (Quran 85:13-14).

Please do not define my relationship with my Creator. What you are saying works in a room full of non-muslims who dont know anything about Islam…but it doesnt work with Muslims.

Again I have to ask you. How do you know if it’s Allah’s law and not Devil’s law.

Why would the Devil tell us not to follow the footsteps of the Devil? Honestly, thats a bogus comment. IN any case, you have chosen your path, and I have chosen mine. In the end, we will all know the truth…too bad it’ll be too late for most of us.

And while you think this is debating, I take it as a discussion between two friends, anyway.

You are saying Islam stands for something it does not. You are defining a Muslims relationship with his/her Lord based on what *you * think the Quran says. You’ve been corrected, with verses from the Quran, on many of these threads…but you do not desist.

May God guide us all.

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

Using your conception, satan is created by God. God is good, and HE naturally created everything good. So satan is good. Unless you want to admit that God created something bad.

This is not a joke. You mentioned God created something Bad (Satan, etc).

The joke part is when I said I am a good satan.

bolded statment just proved by point. DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Different from our mothers that we can see physically so we know what they want, God is invisible. We rely on what other people (“prophets”) told us what God wants. So what is your proven point?

Again, what does this have to do with Islam. The Muslims relation with God is not solely based on fear. Again, see the verse in the Bible

Not consistent. While you state that moslems relationship with God is not solely based on fear, you then mentioned that I need to see the verse in Bible.
And I need to repeat what I said to you:

He stress on the fear of God or the love to God. And you can compare it to what Mohammed said.

I said “stressing”. I don’t say “all”. Of course in Bible it was mentioned about Hell and punishment, but if you compared with your Quran, you can see which One stresses more on Fear of God’s punishment than Love.

Why would the Devil tell us not to follow the footsteps of the Devil? Honestly, thats a bogus comment. IN any case, you have chosen your path, and I have chosen mine. In the end, we will all know the truth…too bad it’ll be too late for most of us.

You keep moving here and there, but you never answer me: How do you know that it’s God’s Law and not Satan’s Law? Satan wants to mislead us and he will make his law sounds like God’s law, while in fact it was not. So once again, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT WHAT YOU FOLLOW IS GOD’S LAW AND NOT SATAN’S LAW?

You are saying Islam stands for something it does not. You are defining a Muslims relationship with his/her Lord based on what you think the Quran says. You’ve been corrected, with verses from the Quran, on many of these threads…but you do not desist.

I only say that many of your explanation gives rise to my questions, which you are trying to deny.

May God show you the True Path. Please pray truly in your heart for Almighty God to show the True Path to you. It works for one of my friend’s wife.

Fox

 

[Faith101]

May God show you the True Path. Please pray truly in your heart for Almighty God to show the True Path to you. It works for one of my friend’s wife.

Thank you. I do…so do 1 billion Muslims EVERY DAY over 17 times, we are obligated to say the following prayer:

1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
   2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
   3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
   4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
   5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
   6 **Show us the straight way, **
   7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray. (The Holy Quran, chapter 1)

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

Good to you then. By the way, you haven’t answered my questions:

1. Did God really create something bad?
2. How do we know that the laws we received are from God or from Satan? How to differentiate it?
   Please share your ideas.

Fox

 

[Faith101]

1. How do we know that the laws we received are from God or from Satan? How to differentiate it?
   Please share your ideas.

The claim that a messenger’s ideas came from Satan or any evil power is not something new. Jesus himself was of those accused

Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.’ (Quran 5:110))

He (Pharoah) said: "Hast thou come to drive us out of our land with thy magic, O Moses? (20:57)

When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, they say, “This is only a man who wishes to hinder you from the (worship) which your fathers practised.” And they say, “This is only a falsehood invented!” and the Unbelievers say of the Truth when it comes to them, "This is nothing but evident magic!" (34:43)

why on earth would satan tell us this

satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (Chapter #5, Verse #91)

satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan’s promises are nothing but deception. (Chapter #4, Verse #120)

In any case, the differences between you and me is that I choose to be a Muslim and you choose to not be one. Therefore, nothing I can say or do will convince you otherwise. So with that, to you your religion and to me mine

 

[janG]

As usual, you have not answered the questions that really count. How do you know Mohammed’s recitations were from Gabriel and not Satan? The revelation of the satanic verses are proof Mohammed couldn’t tell the difference. How do YOU know? If you can’t trust the messenger, you can’t trust the message. God gave us reason and logic for a purpose. By what criteria do you judge the messenger? God gave specific criteria to judge those claiming to be prophets to both Jews and Christians. Mohammed fails the “prophet tests” given by God and that is why Jews and Christians both say he is a false prophet and reject his teachings. Mohammed’s defense against the charge: “Oh, they’re just jealous.” That sounds like a whiney little girl quarreling on the playground rather than a revelation from God. How does him saying we’re jealous prove that we’re wrong? You need to judge the credibility of your prophet!!

Have you ever done that? By what standard did you judge him? Your personal opinion or God’s? Would the wise thing to do be to use the guidelines God gave to mankind prior to Mohammed for their use in judging future prophets so they wouldn’t be lead astray? Or is your personal opinion superior to God’s guidance?

You say you pray for guidance and yet if you are not willing to hear God’s answer, He cannot guide you. He will not violate your free will and force you to see His truth. I found this translation of your prayer on a Muslim site:

1. Guide us to the Straight Way
2. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

If this is what you mean by the words you say, then clearly you are not open to following God’s guidance, you are only willing to follow Mohammed’s teachings. How is God supposed to show you the truth if you won’t let Him?

When challenged on anything like this, you point to how often Muslims pray. You obviously have no understanding of the Catholic mass, worship and prayer. I don’t say that to insult you or your sincerity, you just clearly do not understand and have been deceived into thinking Islam is superior because Muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day. But the real question you need to ask is are you praying God’s way or a false prophet’s way???

Jesus said:
"And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 5:7
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24

Are you worshipping God in spirit and truth or using empty phrases thinking He’ll hear?

God did give mankind guidelines to judge messengers. The ability to recite beautiful poetry that moves you to tears was not one of the tests to determine whether a prophet is credible. Whether we use God’s “prophet tests” or not is up to us, but I would suspect God will hold us accountable for our choice. Our personal opinions won’t really count on Judgment Day, will they?

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

The claim that a messenger’s ideas came from Satan or any evil power is not something new. Jesus himself was of those accused

We can see where the teaching comes from by our sense. Teaching that leads us to betterment in humanity is good.

satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (Chapter #5, Verse #91)

You have already known. Does Satan wants to seperate between the BELIEVER and NON BELIEVER, or wants us to LOVE even our enemy, because they are all God’s creation and our Brothers and Sisters? You decide yourself.

satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan’s promises are nothing but deception. (Chapter #4, Verse #120)

False desires: Sexual desires, desires to power, desires to conquer, to destroy.

In any case, the differences between you and me is that I choose to be a Muslim and you choose to not be one. Therefore, nothing I can say or do will convince you otherwise. So with that, to you your religion and to me mine

Sadly, that peaceful Mecca version has been abrogated by 9:29 that we are discussing in other thread.

I really hope you can see the Truth, dear Sister.

Fox

 

[Boa_Constrictor]

*So? No further comment?

Boa*

 

[Lamp_Lighter]

*Dear All,

This will be my last posting here, as DeExupery, or Boa Constrictor, or Lamp Lighter. As you may already realized, I am one (and it may sound a bit like trinity, but not). Being suspended (twice, my record in ANY FORUM that I’ve ever joined, Islam or Christian) while I am very eager to share my thoughts make me think that this forum cannot accept free ideas.
To Moderators, especially Rachel, who seem to eager banning everyone, I want to ask where do you want this forum is leading to? Talking about theological nonsense? While you see people are suffering there, repressed in many Islamic Countries? Talking is cheap. We need to open up to ideas and share what is in our hearts. We need to touch our moslem brothers, letting them know how we feel about the whole situation, and not being PCs. We have respected what our moslem brothers and sisters said about apostasy, about their faith, about their view of terrorism, about US invation, about anything. But too bad, ALL of you repress what your Christian brothers and sisters (and those who don’t belong to those two religions) have to say. You repress them in the name of LOVE. But LOVE doesn’t suffocate.It FREES you from fear. And one again, LOVE is not a show off. LOVE is from the heart. IT can be mean, soft, sensitive, truthful, hard, anything. You just want to show your beautiful and sainty faces. But what is in your heart? Is it really true love, not only a show off?
Actually, I join here is because one of my best friends online asks me to join. But I hope that best friend will understand if I have to leave this seemingly perfect forum, because I can’t breathe here.
There are many thread that I join, which are unfinished yet. And will never finish for I will not post anything anymore. And I don’t have a heart to continue. Regards to many people I meet here, which joyfully share thoughts with me: Rodrigo, Guratto, Cyber Knight, Catholic 29, Malleus, Barton, Faith, Booklover, George Water, Iosav, Rasheed, Edris, Cute, and all the people I cannot mention here. May God bless you all, whatever the conception of God you may have.

Ciao,

Fox/Boa/Lamp Lighter*