What happened to "Hell"?

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Can you guys give me an example of one song usen in mass, where hell is at least mentioned? In my country (Austria) there is none!
“Be Not Afraid”:

(partial quote from the lyrics)

Be not afraid
I go before you always
Come follow Me
And I shall give you rest.

If you pass through raging waters
In the sea, you shall not drown
If you walk amidst the burning flames
You shall not be harmed.

If you stand before the pow’r of hell
And death is at your side
Know that I am with you, through it all.

Be not afraid
I go before you always
Come follow Me
And I shall give you rest.
 
You cannot extrapolate from “I don’t often hear about Hell in my parish” to “we Catholics”.

My pastor regularly talks about hell in his homilies.
Mine does, too, and he talks about taking care that he doesn’t fail in his duties so as to deserve it. He also talks as if none of the rest of us think about eternal life as if we feel entitled to it, but that we see it as a great gift that can be foolishly squandered. If that is not talking about Hell, I don’t know what. (He was ordained in the mid-1970s, too.)
 
You cannot extrapolate from “I don’t often hear about Hell in my parish” to “we Catholics”.

My pastor regularly talks about hell in his homilies.
I wondered when or how long it might take until I’d see reply like this. Ok let me rephrase to say, in my humble opinion speaking strictly of my own limited observations and discussions with fellow Catholics not meant to convey I mean all Catholics world wide. Is that ok now?

Obviously a few here have noted this too, and for those few of us who have noted this, I wonder what the reason might be (just for friendly discussion)? Apparently I (and those other few) simply haven’t been attending the right church according to your comment.

Is that a satisfactory way to ask my question now that meets with your approval? :roll eyes:

To get back on topic I think there were some really good replies. I don’t think we (oops…I mean “I”) should dwell on it but I do think it (hell) needs to be discussed on occasion and in my 53 years as a catholic I just cannot honestly recall much discussion of it all in all the various places I have lived?
 
We must be going to the same churches. In my 47 years I never remember a homily on Hell either.
 
The word Gospel means Good News. Hell is not the Gospel.

-Tim-
The good news is that we are redeemed and have hope of heaven if we choose to follow the way of Christ.

Nonetheless, if we refuse there is the possibility of hell and we still need to hear of it from time to time.

Many saints and doctors of the Church have repeatedly recommended meditating on the Four Last Things-- Death, Judgment, Heaven, and Hell.
 
Our associate pastor did a whole series of evening talks about the Four Last Things a couple of Lents ago. He’ll occasionally preach a homily on them as well. So Hell gets included and discussed, but isn’t necessarily the only (or even the primary focus). That’s the general approach we’ve taken in the parish’s RCIA program as well. We mention hell when it comes up naturally, and discuss it more particularly in the context of the Last Things (which get a whole class to themselves). I find presenting the reality of hell within that context makes it both easier for people to understand and also less frightening (hell is real, but there’s good news, here’s how to avoid going there).
 
Our archbishop has noted that we are in danger of losing the concept of Purgatory, to the point that we almost “canonize” the dead. This lulls us into thinking that the dead do not need our prayers and have no need of spiritual works done on their behalf.

I was talking to our sons about this, and we thought this was a bit like the mistake that is made when people do not offer help to others they look up to because they do not want to “insult” someone by offering help. The person struggling alone with a huge project, meanwhile, would be saying “No! No! Please!! Oh, yes, I’d love the help! No, no insult at all! Lend a hand, I could sure use it!!” That ought to be what the communion of saints is all about. In helping the poor by praying for us, we advance in holiness ourselves.

Pray for the dead, teach your children to do it, and remind others that you’ll want their prayers when you are gone. That is another concept that could use some advertisement!
 
The word Gospel means Good News. Hell is not the Gospel.

-Tim-
Well, it is IN the Gospel, there is no disputing that:

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands to go into Gehenna,* into the unquenchable fire**. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna, where ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.’ Mark 9:43-48*

Good News and easy news are not the same thing.
 
The Pope has warned those in the Mafia to repent of the blood on their hands and turn from their evil, lest they go to hell:

*"…I feel that I cannot conclude without saying a word to… the protagonists who are absent today – the men and women Mafiosi.

“Please change your lives, repent, stop perpetrating evil…”

“And we pray for you. I ask this on my knees. It is for your good. This life that you live now will not give us pleasure; it will not give us joy. It will not give you happiness. The power and money that you have now from many dirty dealings, from many mafia crimes – blood money, power gained with blood – you cannot bring them with you to the next life…Repent. You still have time so as not to end up in hell. And that is what is waiting for you if you continue on this path. You have a father and a mother. Think of them. Cry a little and repent.”*

en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2014/03/21/pope_prays_with_victims%E2%80%99_families%2C_entreats_mafia_members_to_change/en1-783641
 
Hell has been something of a touchy subject amongst theologians in the past few decades. Exacerbating the issue is the problem that the Catechism only touches very briefly on the subject and not very clearly. This is probably, however, specifically because of the recent controversy, not despite it.

Most “modern” theologians don’t really consider hell to be a fire-and-brimstone place of physical torture and pain, as is the image portrayed by most fundamentalist\evangelical Protestants. Rather, they view it primarily as a place of eternal separation from God, which, once you become fully aware of God, is essentially eternal torment in and of itself. This is the point that the Catechism primarily tries to convey when it touches on the subject of Hell, although probably because that’s really the only thing people agree on about it nowadays.
The fire part is in the Gospels. To be blunt, though, I think that debating about the exact nature of the eternal torment that awaits the damned is splitting hairs. What difference could that possibly make? We must admit it: we are far too naive to have words for eternal realities. Suffice it to say that serious metaphors are used for serious realities. We should not think that hell is one bit less tormenting than Holy Scriptures make it out to be. Maybe tormenting in a way that we cannot have described to us exactly in the light of our limited comprehension and limited experience, but we ought to believe that general nature of what the texts are getting at is spot-on.
 
Our archbishop has noted that we are in danger of losing the concept of Purgatory, to the point that we almost “canonize” the dead. This lulls us into thinking that the dead do not need our prayers and have no need of spiritual works done on their behalf.

Pray for the dead, teach your children to do it, and remind others that you’ll want their prayers when you are gone. That is another concept that could use some advertisement!
👍 Yes! Purgatory is so often neglected or misunderstood. One of our catechumens this year started out really confused about purgatory because of the entirely incorrect way other Catholics had explained it to them.
 
👍 Yes! Purgatory is so often neglected or misunderstood. One of our catechumens this year started out really confused about purgatory because of the entirely incorrect way other Catholics had explained it to them.
It also surprises me how many Catholics are unaware that Universalism has never been rejected by the Church.

For all we know, Hell may exist but be absolutely empty. Atleast, if you buy into the Zorastrian notion of “Hell” that was adopted by Western Christianity.
 
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