What Happened To The Headcovering?

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Yes, I used very strong language to make a point, it’s a rhetorical device called hyperbole. I apologise - my intent was certainly not to offend anyone, simply to get them to really think.

In all seriousness, some on this thread seem very nearly as scandalised by women not veiling as they would be by people … ahem … doing any of the things I’ve mentioned … and every bit as convinced that not veiling is going to destroy (or already has?) the church/people’s faith/the world as the other things would do.
 
weepixie71 said:
:banghead::banghead::banghead: **THIS IS WHY I SAY RCIA CLASSES SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT BY LAITY!!! **please let me take the time to tell you, the reason to learn and become Catholic is because there is NO SALVATION OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH EXCEPT INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE. or how about this one. it is the only religion you can RECIEVE JESUS CHRIST WHOLE BODY AND BLOOD THROUGH THE HOLY EUCHARIST…
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Are you honestly suggesting (please don’t let me put words in your mouth if you are not) that the souls of all Jews, Orthodox, Protestants and pagans who are aware of the Catholic Church yet choose not to join it on Earth end-up in Hell?
 
LilyM said:
Yes, I used very strong language to make a point, it’s a rhetorical device called hyperbole. I apologise - my intent was certainly not to offend anyone, simply to get them to really think.

In all seriousness, some on this thread seem very nearly as scandalised by women not veiling as they would be by people … ahem … doing any of the things I’ve mentioned … and every bit as convinced that not veiling is going to destroy (or already has?) the church/people’s faith/the world as the other things would do.
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first of all most of us are intelligent people and have been to a novus ordo mass. we know exactly what takes place in them.
second of all to say that the removal of the veil has not had some side effects that are negative would be ridiculous. by removal of the veil Catholic women denied their outward sign of acknowledging God’s creation of hierarchy. since they have given up their veil, a lot of women go to church dressed inappropriately. the poor priest has to look down at his toes throughout mass. they have made their way into the sanctuary doing any and all work of a priest but the gospel, homily, and consecration. the change of hierarchy didnt just change in the church but in the home as well. they started working and doing man jobs. men found themselves useless and lost the meaning of what a mans responsibilities are. thus one of the contributors to divorce. the women decided although God created women for man, that women didnt need man. again denying God’s hierarchy.

you are right. i believe women NEED their veil. and men NEED to see the women in their veil to remind them that God gave man woman to love and protect in a Christ like manner. and God NEEDS his women to except His hierarchy. His creation. I also believe the Catholic Church knows this and why i believe they never approved of the veil being done away with.
 
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IF you honestly believe that that the souls of all Jews, Orthodox, Protestants and pagans who are aware of the Catholic Church yet choose not to join it on Earth end-up in Hell, then you hold a view not taught by the Catholic Church. 😦
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i just sent you what explains the dogma of " no salvation outside of the churh" . so if you do not believe in dogma, it is you who is not Catholic.
 
Let’s not get off topic…

back to headcovering…

hopefully I make some sense, because while typing this I’ve been chasing around my eleven month old who is bent on destruction and it’s hard to have a clear, adult thought, much less get involved in a theological debate. That said…

Lily, you used the argument earlier (correct me if I’m wrong) that because 50% of the the Church is not veiling (which is nearly 100% who would be required in St. Paul’s letters), it must not be a sin, because that would been that the gates of hell had prevailed against the church. I don’t think that argument works. 100% of us sin. It’s how we respond to that fact that determines our relationship with God and our ability to receive his graces.

You said that you know that we all sin and that that isn’t the issue, but sin is pretty much the issue here, whether it was the initial sin of disobedience when many women stopped veiling long before the Church had said that it was okay, or the refusal of many women these days to submit to anything, even if it’s God’s will and His plans for our lives.

And I don’t think anyone here has claimed that women who don’t cover their heads these days are intentionally sinning or have any idea that they should be doing something differently.

I believe we all know that just because everyone is doing something it isn’t necessarily right. That’s kind of what the “well most women at Church don’t do it” argument sounds like to me.

I also haven’t heard the argument that veiling is necessary for salvation. If I had only read your posts I would think that that was exactly what we were all suggesting.

And I don’t find myself judging the women around me who don’t cover their heads. I think that women should veil, but I don’t think that most are conscience of the fact that there’s even a debate.
 
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