What happened to them?

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Did Mary and Joseph let little Jesus play with His gold, frankenscence, and myhrr?
Or maybe they never let Him touch them, or even see them.
Did He still have those presents when He grew up?
Did they ever use the myhrr?
 
I think there’s a legend that Joseph sold them, one by one, to supply the funds for the flight into Egypt, living there, and coming back and starting a carpentry shop in Nazareth.
 
The Gifts of the Magi are preserved in a Monastery of the Holy Mountain (I forget which one, Philotheou, I think). I’ve seen photographs of them.

You can get a mounted photo from

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bpbasilphx said:
The Gifts of the Magi are preserved in a Monastery of the Holy Mountain (I forget which one, Philotheou, I think). I’ve seen photographs of them.

You can get a mounted photo from

St. Isaac of Syria Skete

skete.com
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Come off it. That is rubbish and cannot be believed.
 
thistle said:
Come off it. That is rubbish and cannot be believed.
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That’s a bit harsh. As Catholics we are free to believe that all sorts of relics of Our Lord were preserved, including the Shroud of Turin and relics of the crucifixion (you can see many in the Church of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome).

Not to mention we are permitted to believe in all sorts of apparitions of Mary, Jesus and various saints and angels, Eucharistic miracles such as Lanciano and the like.

It makes as much sense for the gifts of the Magi to be preserved as these other relics of His life. And it makes as much sense to believe so as to believe many of these other things.
 
I imagine Joseph treated these gifts as we would a gift of a savings bond or stock certificate for a baby, held them in care for him and if they were sold, went to pay for needs in raising him, but other than using the gold to help pay for their travels, my guess is they were saved for his burial and since Mary was most definitely there, she supplied them, and those were the items being taken by the holy women to the tomb early Easter morning. Since the bible tells us that as a poor family they were required only to purchase birds for the sacrifice at His presentation, it seems Joseph kept the gold for His child as long as he could.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
I think there’s a legend that Joseph sold them, one by one, to supply the funds for the flight into Egypt, living there, and coming back and starting a carpentry shop in Nazareth.
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Well, if they could afford to live on it for 2 years or however long it was, then start
a carpentry shop, then how come they were poor when they presented Him in the
temple? Still, I would be interested in reading that legend…
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Gifts of the Magi are preserved in a Monastery
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Now that is another interesting idea…
After all, the bible says the women were bringing spices, not myhrr
They may have lived as poor, yet kept the gold as a sacred gift.
 
LilyM said:
That’s a bit harsh. As Catholics we are free to believe that all sorts of relics of Our Lord were preserved
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That’s true, but there must be a reason that Thistle doesn’t think so.
Do you then, believe the gifts were preserved also?
 
I sell jars of dust from Jesus’ sandles. $10 per ounce plus shipping. Email if interested.
 
puzzleannie said:
my guess… those were the items being taken by the holy women to the tomb early Easter morning.
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So you think probably the frankenscense and myhrr where buried with Him and the
gold was spent on living, as slowly as possible.

I think the kings came after He was already presented at the temple, and that’s
why they were still poor.

Well, if the items really were preserved, then all 3 were found intact.
If Jesus had access to them in His childhood, He may have looked at them often,
and listened to the story from His parents. He might have used these special gifts
to remind Him of who He was.

Or… what if Joseph and Mary said to the kings, “I’m sorry, we can’t accept these
gifts, please take them home with you, and thank you for your kind gesture?”
and they never saw them again?
 
xformer7 said:
I sell jars of dust from Jesus’ sandles. $10 per ounce plus shipping. Email if interested.
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O.K. – But that still does not explain what you think happened to the gold,
frankenscense, and myhrr?
 
cheeto1 said:
O.K. – But that still does not explain what you think happened to the gold,
frankenscense, and myhrr?
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It remains open to any pious speculation. Really anybody’s guess. I think all posted so far are all viable options.
 
cheeto1 said:
Are you saying that you don’t think they were real?
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He’s saying that when they were presented to him by the magi, they were presented as symbols of him being priest prophet, and king.
 
I’ve always assumed they were used to finance the flight into and sojourn in Egypt, which would not have been cheap.

Incidentally the gold would have been the least valuable of the three gifts named.
 
cheeto1 said:
That’s true, but there must be a reason that Thistle doesn’t think so.
Do you then, believe the gifts were preserved also?
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Probably not, but I’d never say never - much stranger things have happened. And I don’t think Thistle has any special knowledge on the subject.

If memory serves myrrh came in liquid form, so that at least probably couldn’t have lasted 30 years without going off.

And I can’t really imagine anyone living in poverty all their lives while sitting on a stash of valuables. Most likely it was indeed used to finance them during their travel to Egypt, or else given as a gift to the Temple or something.
 
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