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CHRISTINE77
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Do we stay in our graves until the Second Coming when we will be judged by Jesus and then resurrected into heaven, or do we go straight to heaven, purgatory or hell after we die?
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Blade_and_Blood
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I don’t know. I’ve never died nor have I encountered who did. We’ll just have and see. But, remember to expect the unexpected: Reincarnation, Heaven or Hell, rotting in the dirt, becoming a ghost, Purgatory, Enlgihtenment, state of the unborn, etc… Ahh, death is a mysterious thing. :yup:
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Tezza
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Our bodies stay in the grave. Our souls go to heaven, hell, or purgatory until the Resurrection when they will be reunited.
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Leela
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How do you know that?
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Tezza
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The teachings of Jesus, the teaching of the apostles, the teaching of the Church established by Jesus, confirmed to visionaries whose apparitions are approved by the Church…
Would you like to know that for sure as well?
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EnchantedEve
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This is a somewhat elaborate answer so bare with me.
I will deal here as if you went to Paradise after death. The Church teaches that upon death, if one merits Heaven, then one beholds the Beatific Vision, that is, we will enjoy God in all His splendor and glory, at first spiritually, and then at the resurrection, physically. There are two views that holy tradition tells are possible:
In hinduism, they speak of the atman (self) and the maya (God). In Eastern Christian tradition there is a belief called the theodicy. There are different views on how this works, but in basic terms at the theodicy we will not only behold the Beatific Vision, we will be joined to it, as a drop of water joins a puddle. Basically the atman is absorbed by the maya, and we share in the Divine essence itself, in a certain sense becoming part of God. We would still maintain out seperate identities, but since all boundries between us and Him will be gone, shattered by the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, we will share in His presence as though it were our own. Literally, God’s children would be His Glory.
The view more prevelant in the West is that upon our death we shall simply enjoy the Beatific Vision like a glorified audience, embraced by the beauty of His presence for all time, but not united with Him in any particular way. Either view is considered orthodox, and we will not know with certainty until we get there.
A suprising amount of theological studies exist on the afterlife, and even controversies. Pope John XXII, for example, falsely taught from 1331 to 1333 that souls in Purgatory behold the human aspect of the Beatific Vision (i.e. only Christ’s human, but not divine natures). Before he died, he renounced this error and it was published by Pope Benedict XII, who definitively stated this was erroneous, that the saints in Heaven do see the Beatific Vision fully, those in Purgatory will see it when the go to Heaven, and those in Hell suffer torments upon death, even before the general resurrection. So at the particular judgement we will either be saved or damned at the moment, not after our physical bodies rise as some say.
To briefly quote: …even before the resumption of their bodies and the general judgment…have been, are and will be in heaven… and have seen and see the divine essence by intuitive vision, and even face to face…
And what a glorious day that may be!
I will deal here as if you went to Paradise after death. The Church teaches that upon death, if one merits Heaven, then one beholds the Beatific Vision, that is, we will enjoy God in all His splendor and glory, at first spiritually, and then at the resurrection, physically. There are two views that holy tradition tells are possible:
In hinduism, they speak of the atman (self) and the maya (God). In Eastern Christian tradition there is a belief called the theodicy. There are different views on how this works, but in basic terms at the theodicy we will not only behold the Beatific Vision, we will be joined to it, as a drop of water joins a puddle. Basically the atman is absorbed by the maya, and we share in the Divine essence itself, in a certain sense becoming part of God. We would still maintain out seperate identities, but since all boundries between us and Him will be gone, shattered by the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, we will share in His presence as though it were our own. Literally, God’s children would be His Glory.
The view more prevelant in the West is that upon our death we shall simply enjoy the Beatific Vision like a glorified audience, embraced by the beauty of His presence for all time, but not united with Him in any particular way. Either view is considered orthodox, and we will not know with certainty until we get there.
A suprising amount of theological studies exist on the afterlife, and even controversies. Pope John XXII, for example, falsely taught from 1331 to 1333 that souls in Purgatory behold the human aspect of the Beatific Vision (i.e. only Christ’s human, but not divine natures). Before he died, he renounced this error and it was published by Pope Benedict XII, who definitively stated this was erroneous, that the saints in Heaven do see the Beatific Vision fully, those in Purgatory will see it when the go to Heaven, and those in Hell suffer torments upon death, even before the general resurrection. So at the particular judgement we will either be saved or damned at the moment, not after our physical bodies rise as some say.
To briefly quote: …even before the resumption of their bodies and the general judgment…have been, are and will be in heaven… and have seen and see the divine essence by intuitive vision, and even face to face…
And what a glorious day that may be!
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EnchantedEve
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Forgive me! Where it says theodicy, insert theosis. Sorry. 
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CHRISTINE77
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Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for.This is a somewhat elaborate answer so bare with me.
I will deal here as if you went to Paradise after death. The Church teaches that upon death, if one merits Heaven, then one beholds the Beatific Vision, that is, we will enjoy God in all His splendor and glory, at first spiritually, and then at the resurrection, physically. There are two views that holy tradition tells are possible:
In hinduism, they speak of the atman (self) and the maya (God). In Eastern Christian tradition there is a belief called the theodicy. There are different views on how this works, but in basic terms at the theodicy we will not only behold the Beatific Vision, we will be joined to it, as a drop of water joins a puddle. Basically the atman is absorbed by the maya, and we share in the Divine essence itself, in a certain sense becoming part of God. We would still maintain out seperate identities, but since all boundries between us and Him will be gone, shattered by the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, we will share in His presence as though it were our own. Literally, God’s children would be His Glory.
The view more prevelant in the West is that upon our death we shall simply enjoy the Beatific Vision like a glorified audience, embraced by the beauty of His presence for all time, but not united with Him in any particular way. Either view is considered orthodox, and we will not know with certainty until we get there.
A suprising amount of theological studies exist on the afterlife, and even controversies. Pope John XXII, for example, falsely taught from 1331 to 1333 that souls in Purgatory behold the human aspect of the Beatific Vision (i.e. only Christ’s human, but not divine natures). Before he died, he renounced this error and it was published by Pope Benedict XII, who definitively stated this was erroneous, that the saints in Heaven do see the Beatific Vision fully, those in Purgatory will see it when the go to Heaven, and those in Hell suffer torments upon death, even before the general resurrection. So at the particular judgement we will either be saved or damned at the moment, not after our physical bodies rise as some say.
To briefly quote: …even before the resumption of their bodies and the general judgment…have been, are and will be in heaven… and have seen and see the divine essence by intuitive vision, and even face to face…
And what a glorious day that may be!
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Mark77
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Here’s what the Church teaches in the Catechism (scborromeo.org/ccc.htm);
"Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification or immediately, – or immediate and everlasting damnation.
"**Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:
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‘By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.’ (Benedict XII Benedictus Deus (1336) (CCC 1023).
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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"Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification or immediately, – or immediate and everlasting damnation.
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'At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love.' (St John of the Cross)" (CCC1022)**
‘By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.’ (Benedict XII Benedictus Deus (1336) (CCC 1023).
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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CHRISTINE77
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This doesn’t address the physical resurrection of the body. I know the Catholic Church does believe in that.Here’s what the Church teaches in the Catechism (scborromeo.org/ccc.htm);
"Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification or immediately, – or immediate and everlasting damnation.
"**Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:Code:'At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love.' (St John of the Cross)" (CCC1022)
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‘By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.’ (Benedict XII Benedictus Deus (1336) (CCC 1023).
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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steve_b
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When we die, we are judged immediately in the particular judgement. We know then our fate. Either we (our soul) goes immediately to heaven or possibly an intermediate time in purgatory, then heaven, or the soul goes immediately to hell.
At the final judgement,
- all the bodies of the dead will be resurrected. Those souls in heaven will be reunited to their resurrected bodies and return to heaven. Those in hell receive their resurrected bodies and return to hell.
- Those still alive at the end will be judged and receive their reward or punishment.
newadvent.org/cathen/08550a.htm
General / Final judgement
newadvent.org/cathen/08552a.htm
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CHRISTINE77
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Thank you. That is a very clear and concise answer.
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Scoobyshme
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For those interested, I have a whole page on my web site dedicated to Death from a Catholic perspective.
alabamacatholicresources.com/death.html
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alabamacatholicresources.com/death.html
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CHRISTINE77
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Thanks! That looks like a great resource.For those interested, I have a whole page on my web site dedicated to Death from a Catholic perspective.
alabamacatholicresources.com/death.html
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twinkletwinkle
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There are so many answers that so many people can give you.
It depends on where you want your answer to come from.
The Bible is older that the Catechism so I go with that one.
Here is the answer:
Genesis 3:19 For dust you are and to dust you shall return.
Ecclesiastes 3:19,*20 For the fate of human and the fate of animal is the same: as the one dies, so the other dies; both have the selfsame breath. Human is in no way better off than animal – since all is futile.
Everything goes to the same place, everything comes from the dust, everything returns to the dust.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 The living are at least aware that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing whatever.
But death is not the end because on the last day Jesus will preform a large resurrection.
John 11;24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”
John 5:28 Do not be surprised at this, for the hour is coming when the dead will leave their graves at the sound of his voice:
Acts 24:15 and I hold the same hope in God as they do that there will be a resurrection of the upright and the wicked alike.
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twopekinguys
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What is your interpretation of Luke 23:43?
Seems to me Jesus’ own words say it will be immediate, and we don’t’ have to wait. (bolding mine)
43Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, **today **you will be with me in paradise.”
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