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Pathway2
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what happens, say that you died in a car accident who where killed for non faith based reasons. does it affected your Relationship with the Father,son and the holy spirit? what happens?
What happens if you don't complete all the sacraments when you die?
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TheAmazingGrace
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What do you mean by “all of the sacraments”? I, being a woman, can only receive six max anyway, and I don’t think God’s gonna throw a fit if I die unmarried without having received last rites.
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Spyridon
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One does not “complete” the Sacraments.
There are souls in hell who received all 7 Sacraments in this life.
There are souls in heaven who received 0 Sacraments in this life.
There are souls in hell who received all 7 Sacraments in this life.
There are souls in heaven who received 0 Sacraments in this life.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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The Good Thief never received any sacraments and we know he is in Heaven.
(Ps, that is not meant to be a loophole for anybody! No flames
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(Ps, that is not meant to be a loophole for anybody! No flames
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vincentleo
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The only Sacrament that is necessary for salvation is baptism, because this erases our separation from God (consequence of Original Sin), making it possible for us to get to heaven.
Now, some people who are not baptised can also make it to heaven, but this happens in the context of someone who desires baptism but cannot get it, or who would have desired baptism, if he had known the full story and actually been in a position to credibly learn of it. For example, the thief on the cross. Or, someone who lives somewhere where Christianity has never been heard of. Or, someone in a non-Christian religion.
If we are talking about someone who dies in a car-crash…the Sacrament of Penance might also be necessary if he was already baptized but not in the state of grace.
All the rest of the Sacraments are great helps to us, but they are not necessary for salvation. (That doesn’t mean that we should ignore them though)
Now, some people who are not baptised can also make it to heaven, but this happens in the context of someone who desires baptism but cannot get it, or who would have desired baptism, if he had known the full story and actually been in a position to credibly learn of it. For example, the thief on the cross. Or, someone who lives somewhere where Christianity has never been heard of. Or, someone in a non-Christian religion.
If we are talking about someone who dies in a car-crash…the Sacrament of Penance might also be necessary if he was already baptized but not in the state of grace.
All the rest of the Sacraments are great helps to us, but they are not necessary for salvation. (That doesn’t mean that we should ignore them though)
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TheAmazingGrace
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Being a married RC priest would be a bit problematic, lol.
Tis_Bearself
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Probably explains why the soul is in Hell, lol
Tis_Bearself
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The person who said the only sacrament you need to “complete” to enter heaven is Baptism, is correct. If the person had not completed the usual baptism with water, then he could still receive the fruits of baptism through “baptism of blood” (dying for the faith) or “baptism of desire” (wishing to be baptized, but not getting it done in time before death).
In Pathway2’s example, since there would be no baptism of blood (person didn’t die for faith reasons), then the person would have either had to have been baptized before death, or wish to have been baptized.
Receiving the other sacraments, including last rites, can help a person by giving them God’s grace. In particular, absolution (as part of last rites, or as part of a regular confession shortly before the death) might be needed if the person is in a state of mortal sin, as a mortal sin could send you to Hell. It is not certain whether God would give a person who died one last chance to repent at the moment of death before tossing them into Hell, so it is better to die in a state of grace.
In Pathway2’s example, since there would be no baptism of blood (person didn’t die for faith reasons), then the person would have either had to have been baptized before death, or wish to have been baptized.
Receiving the other sacraments, including last rites, can help a person by giving them God’s grace. In particular, absolution (as part of last rites, or as part of a regular confession shortly before the death) might be needed if the person is in a state of mortal sin, as a mortal sin could send you to Hell. It is not certain whether God would give a person who died one last chance to repent at the moment of death before tossing them into Hell, so it is better to die in a state of grace.
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Spyridon
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Being a married Eastern Catholic Priest is no problem at all,
Likewise, being a married Roman or Eastern Catholic Deacon is no problem either.
Likewise, being a married Roman or Eastern Catholic Deacon is no problem either.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Hence why I said “RC priest.”
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Spyridon
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There are married RC priests out there as well, some who came from Anglican or Eastern Orthodox traditions and were grandfathered into the Roman Rite.
The aversion some people have to the idea of married Priests in the Roman Church is alien to someone who has a firm understanding of and experience with Eastern Christianity.
The holiest priest I’ve ever personally known was a married Russian Orthodox Catholic Priest.
We have ~1,200,000,000+ Catholic Christians walking this planet, yet less than 500,000 Catholic Priests. That’s an incredible shortage of Priests - if the Holy Father wanted to start introducing a married priesthood into the Roman Rite to try and alleviate the priest shortage, I’d be with him 100%.
The aversion some people have to the idea of married Priests in the Roman Church is alien to someone who has a firm understanding of and experience with Eastern Christianity.
The holiest priest I’ve ever personally known was a married Russian Orthodox Catholic Priest.
We have ~1,200,000,000+ Catholic Christians walking this planet, yet less than 500,000 Catholic Priests. That’s an incredible shortage of Priests - if the Holy Father wanted to start introducing a married priesthood into the Roman Rite to try and alleviate the priest shortage, I’d be with him 100%.
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TheAmazingGrace
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I know. They’re a tiny minority, though.
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TheLittleLady
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Tell that to the two married priests who serve in my little town!
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TheAmazingGrace
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That they’re a tiny minority? They probably know already.
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stinkcat_14
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There are also people who became priests after their wife died.
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TheLittleLady
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If a person dies in friendship with God, they go to heaven at death. They will most likely go through a purgation before heaven, but, purgatory is simply the part of the path to heaven.
If the person has in their life rejected God and dies in that rejection, they go to hell at death.
If the person has in their life rejected God and dies in that rejection, they go to hell at death.
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TheAmazingGrace
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True. Still not that common.
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TheLittleLady
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I replied to your statement that “being a married RC priest” is problematic.
It is not problematic. It is simply a fact. There are Latin Rite Catholic Priests who are validly married.
It is not problematic. It is simply a fact. There are Latin Rite Catholic Priests who are validly married.
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TheAmazingGrace
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I was making a joke.
Tis_Bearself
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Given that AmGrace did specify “RC priests”, yes there are RC priests who were grandfathered and others who were widowers. And there are still others who ran around being priests while having a secret wife illicitly stashed away in the closet. Some of them famous cases that are in the history books. And still others who defied superiors and got married, etc.
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