What happens immediately after death?

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I am so sad for everyone in here for if you read your bibles you would know the truth as it is stated many times…When you die you are asleep and know nothing at all. You will stay that way until the Lord comes back and then he will bring you back to life and at that momnet you will be judged and go on to either eternal death or eternal life. People have made up the lie that when you die you go straight away to heaven or to hell. Which by the way hell simply mean “the grave”. This lie was meant I believe, to help people deal with the loss of loved ones who felt better believing that their loved ones were in heaven at that moment. But still be assured, they feel nothing, they have no consciencness and they will be awoken when Christ comes and he will be a fair and honest judge. If you need proof text feel free to ask …they are everywhere in scripture both old and new.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I will try to answer your question, acknowledging that I have had no near death experiences. I will try to answer from philosophy-theology only. The principal of life is the immortal rational soul. The soul never loosed consciousness because it is not subject to attributes of the body which is material. As such, being a rational, immortal principle of life, it is always aware of its circumstances. As such, it would know fully what is taking place once it is separated from the body. It is the soul that was created in the image of God, i.e., rational (God is omniscient) and immortal. I hope this helps.
Deacon Ed B
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Thank you, Deacon Ed…it helps an aweful lot and partially answers my questions. Any thoughts on whether we would recognize others in the same state as us (state = Heaven, Hell or Purgatory) or be aware of others in different states before Final Judgement?
Blessings and my regards…Barb:)
 
cyberjedi75 said:
I am so sad for everyone in here for if you read your bibles you would know the truth as it is stated many times…When you die you are asleep and know nothing at all. You will stay that way until the Lord comes back and then he will bring you back to life and at that momnet you will be judged and go on to either eternal death or eternal life. People have made up the lie that when you die you go straight away to heaven or to hell. Which by the way hell simply mean “the grave”. This lie was meant I believe, to help people deal with the loss of loved ones who felt better believing that their loved ones were in heaven at that moment. But still be assured, they feel nothing, they have no consciencness and they will be awoken when Christ comes and he will be a fair and honest judge. If you need proof text feel free to ask …they are everywhere in scripture both old and new.
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Thank you very much for this (name removed by moderator)ut. Catholics believe otherwise …we are simply of different Faith expressions while remaining in every sense brothers and sisters in the one family of God’s children:) …Blessings and my regards…Barb:)
 
Again not in the spirit of debate however, may I ask why if a religion (made by man) differs from the word of God, why would you choose mans word over Gods? Faith expressions or not…There is truth and there is lie, there is right and there is wrong, there is no grey, it’s either black or white. To think there is grey is to be lukewarm and every bible believing Christian knows what lukewarm gets you. I’m not saying I’m perfect but God is truth and in truth there can be no lies.
If however, you believe differently based on scripture please show me because, I am not above being corrected and I will accept any and all things that can be proven.
 
cyberjedi75 said:
Again not in the spirit of debate however, may I ask why if a religion (made by man) differs from the word of God, why would you choose mans word over Gods? Faith expressions or not…There is truth and there is lie, there is right and there is wrong, there is no grey, it’s either black or white. To think there is grey is to be lukewarm and every bible believing Christian knows what lukewarm gets you. I’m not saying I’m perfect but God is truth and in truth there can be no lies.
If however, you believe differently based on scripture please show me because, I am not above being corrected and I will accept any and all things that can be proven.
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This is not the topic of this thread. Why not start a thread addressing each objection you have to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Or better yet conduct a search on previous threads and I am sure you will find the answers to your questions.

BTW, if you are not following the teachings of the Catholic Church, you are the one following “teachings of men”. We are following the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, as stated many times in the Old and New Testaments.
 
okay then…hopefully someone even just one person will read this and actually read from their bibles. BTW Jesus never created the Catholic church…thats another lie and a total twist of scripture…and also BTW…if you believe so much of what you say then why can’t you prove it? Wouldn’t you, as a professing Christian want to take this opportunity to show me my wrongs and by that possibly save my soul? If Catholicism WAS the correct faith then you are not a very good representitive.

Jesus said"Prove all things"…so maybe you should listen to Him
PS This WAS the topic BTW, you don’t do a very good job of reading scripture or otherwise…The title of the thread is “What happens immediately after death?” I answered that question…you sleep, you are not aware of anything…you are not until the return of Christ and HE WAKES YOU UP!!! It’s in the bible, try reading it!
 
cyberjedi75 said:
okay then…hopefully someone even just one person will read this and actually read from their bibles. BTW Jesus never created the Catholic church…thats another lie and a total twist of scripture…and also BTW…if you believe so much of what you say then why can’t you prove it? Wouldn’t you, as a professing Christian want to take this opportunity to show me my wrongs and by that possibly save my soul? If Catholicism WAS the correct faith then you are not a very good representitive.

Jesus said"Prove all things"…so maybe you should listen to Him
PS This WAS the topic BTW, you don’t do a very good job of reading scripture or otherwise…The title of the thread is “What happens immediately after death?” I answered that question…you sleep, you are not aware of anything…you are not until the return of Christ and HE WAKES YOU UP!!! It’s in the bible, try reading it!
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Simply and meant most kindly:) , you are not in agreement with what The Church teaches (based on Scripture and heaps of references in both Old and New Testaments, but this is not the subject of this thread)…whereas this thread is asking insight into what The Catholic Church and Scripture does tell us that consciousness continues after death and is a taken for granted in the subject of this thread, and not to prove or disprove what The Catholic Church and other Faith Professions state in opposition about whether consciousness continues after death…and as the Opening Poster, I dont want this thread to go off track and subject if I can at all help it:) . As someone else stated, it would be better if you wish to argue this point to start a thread with that as subject…it would be the more productive move I am quite sure. God Bless!👋 …regards…Barb:)
 
cyberjedi75 said:
okay then…hopefully someone even just one person will read this and actually read from their bibles. BTW Jesus never created the Catholic church…thats another lie and a total twist of scripture…and also BTW…if you believe so much of what you say then why can’t you prove it? Wouldn’t you, as a professing Christian want to take this opportunity to show me my wrongs and by that possibly save my soul? If Catholicism WAS the correct faith then you are not a very good representitive.

Jesus said"Prove all things"…so maybe you should listen to Him
PS This WAS the topic BTW, you don’t do a very good job of reading scripture or otherwise…The title of the thread is “What happens immediately after death?” I answered that question…you sleep, you are not aware of anything…you are not until the return of Christ and HE WAKES YOU UP!!! It’s in the bible, try reading it!
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Wow, a real true died in the wool Catholic basher:thumbsup:

Glad to see that some of you guys still have the stones to speak out publicly. Haven’t had a good debate with one of you in while.

So Christ said that when we die we sleep and know nothing at all? Or did someone else? I don’t recall reading that particular verse. Could you please point that one out?
 
To Barbara Therese - Again, based on no official teaching, I would have to say that I believe we would know and recognize others in heaven and purgatory. Hell would be another state altogether. We are told by some saints who have had visions of hell, that is is a place not only of fire, but one of total hatred, for God, yourself, and for all others, particularly for those who may have caused you to sin mortally and to end up in hell. Such would indeed be a hellish existence.
Deacon Ed B
 
cyberjedi75 said:
Not a Catholic basher, just a truth seeker…

here are your proof texts…aloha.net/~mikesch/death.htm
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These proof texts as you call them prove nothing. If you are merely going to pull sentences from scripture totally out of context you can prove or disprove practically anything at all, which is what this website is doing. Protestants often use this tactic and it is one of the reasons for the multitude of protestant denominations, all differing slightly based on these passages taken out of context which are then used to either prove or disprove whatever the individual playing this game wants.

So I will ask again, please tell me where it states specifically, in context, that the dead know nothing, remember nothing and sleep until the final judgement?
 
I have to laugh that people in the church are still using purgatory when the pope himself said it was never an official teaching and has said it is NOT an official teaching…and as for the other question/remark about proof text…it said those things over and over…if you can’t read then maybe consider some schooling and if I’m wrong where are your proof texts proving otherwise? Seems I have a lot more evidence. Like I said earlier…prove me wrong and I’ll become a full believing Catholic myself.
 
cyberjedi75 said:
I have to laugh that people in the church are still using purgatory when the pope himself said it was never an official teaching and has said it is NOT an official teaching…and as for the other question/remark about proof text…it said those things over and over…if you can’t read then maybe consider some schooling and if I’m wrong where are your proof texts proving otherwise? Seems I have a lot more evidence. Like I said earlier…prove me wrong and I’ll become a full believing Catholic myself.
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Since you have made the statement — provide documentation as to when this was said – and which Pope said this.
 
okay look we could keep this up forever. Thing is you don’t know me. You don’t know why I am doing this or what my motivations are. The truth is I am a Catholic or least I am by name. However,
The protestants have some very good arguments. Things that I can’t refute. Every time I take my questions to a priest they never answer me. I am drawn to the Catholic church though I’m not sure why. The thing is that I despise Lies. And some people have been bothering my mind and making me feel like I have been fed lies. I think a lot. That’s who I am…I have a scientific mind and I am like Thomas I guess…I need proof. I don’t know if I believe that Jesus IS truely present in the Eucharist. I want to believe it. It would make it a whole lot cooler than simply being symbolic. But I need the truth. I see the Holy Spirit working in other churches. Why would that be possible if they were false? I may come off as rude, but I am really just searching. Thanks for listening.
 
In response to post 33, the laugh is on you. The pope was addressing the belief that some have about limbo, not purgatory. . The Church believes and teaches that purgatory does indeed exist. If you would have all the books of the bible as contained in the Catholic version, you could see that scripture does indeed reference a place of atonement after death.
Deacon Ed B
 
cyberjedi75 said:
okay look we could keep this up forever. Thing is you don’t know me. You don’t know why I am doing this or what my motivations are. The truth is I am a Catholic or least I am by name. However,
The protestants have some very good arguments. Things that I can’t refute. Every time I take my questions to a priest they never answer me. I am drawn to the Catholic church though I’m not sure why. The thing is that I despise Lies. And some people have been bothering my mind and making me feel like I have been fed lies. I think a lot. That’s who I am…I have a scientific mind and I am like Thomas I guess…I need proof. I don’t know if I believe that Jesus IS truely present in the Eucharist. I want to believe it. It would make it a whole lot cooler than simply being symbolic. But I need the truth. I see the Holy Spirit working in other churches. Why would that be possible if they were false? I may come off as rude, but I am really just searching. Thanks for listening.
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When you say that you see the Holy Spirit working in other churches, what exactly do you mean? Physical signs, emotional experiences, miracles, what exactly?

Remember, that Satan can imitate the workings of the Holy Spirit to a great degree and demons, being fallen angels, still maintain a corrupted version of their angelic functions, whatever they were. They can and do make things appear to be what they are not. I would be very very careful about assuming things that I see in other Churches to be the handiwork of God. They may very well be, but there is also the very good chance that they are not.

As to other issues that you have raised and avoided answering, I think your non response proves a lot. You say that you are seeking the truth.👍 Great, we all are, at least most of us on this forum are. I can tell you honestly that you will not find it in the web sites that you are getting this anti-Catholic propaganda from. They have a specific agenda and you need to be aware of that. That agenda has nothing to do with the truth or understanding things. It seeks only to poison the minds of people against Catholicism and pull people into false and heretical beliefs.

DON’T FALL FOR IT
 
I think we really can only speculate.

I suppose when we are without our bodies, it will be like how it is in a dream - not that we are asleep, but that we can experience things through our minds without having our bodies with us. (I suppose that, just like in a dream, we would imagine or sense that we have some kind of a spiritual body.)

I once heard a talk by someone who had a near-death experience when he was in a state of mortal sin. He said he would have wanted to choose Heaven, but it was impossible - Heaven was just too light and sweet, and he couldn’t stand it. He knew at that moment that he had to go to Hell, but then something happened and God gave him back his life, on the condition that he must become an evangelist and spread the Gospel, and most of all, tell people to go to Confession.

I can’t remember his name, but he is one of these former drug addicts that are coming into the Church these days (hallelujia!!), and he has kind of an ADD-like personality.
 
It may well be that the content between death and The Return of Christ is something that no details are actually known and we simply need to wait until we get there to find out. In initiating this Thread I wanted to find out, if possible, if The Church had anything to say defnitely about this interim state or whether indeed it need be a matter of Peaceful trust. And in starting this thread I was looking for actual authentic Church statements/teaching…Blessings all - Barb:)
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
In response to post 33, the laugh is on you. The pope was addressing the belief that some have about limbo, not purgatory. . The Church believes and teaches that purgatory does indeed exist. If you would have all the books of the bible as contained in the Catholic version, you could see that scripture does indeed reference a place of atonement after death.
Deacon Ed B
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Okay yes, I do know what those books have to say but there is great questions as to the authority of those books. Why do some refer to them as apocraphy and some dueterocannical. I know I spelled those horribly, please forgive me but I just want to know the answer and I don’t feel like looking up spelling. But I’m sure you’ve heard this before and know the answer. The only way those texts which you refer to can be legit is if the books are also. How can we know for sure after 6000 years? Isn’t there some jewish circles who say those were never books in the first place. They didn’t even regongnize them? If you can please explain.
p.s another quick thing…I was reading a pro catholic site and it was trying to say how all the holidays we celebrate are good and holy and are obligations…obligations??? Isn’t that like the same thing the jews were doing considering their Holy Days? Making people celebrate them? Doesn’t the bible give us freedom of choice concerning Holy Days, New Moons and Sabbaths? How can a church say anything is obligation concerning what days we celebrate when Jesus’ death set us free from laws and dates and times? And if we were going to celebrate anything why not keep the ones God in heaven said they would celebrate forever? What was so bad about keeping those days? We all know our current traditions have their roots in paganism. Not saying that it still is paganism because God searches the hearts. But why out of the two did the church chose pagan days and ways over the High Holy Days God set? Seems like a red flag to me. Thank you ahead of time for clarifying.
P.S Doesn’t even revelations say something about the people will have to go up to celebrate the Feast of tabernacles? And some punishment for those who do not? And that is a future prophecy.
and pps…No one is laughing…infact I’m quite serious…
 
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