What happens in regards to this situation with the Eucharist

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I just had a thought, what happens if someone has celiac disease and also cannot drink alcohol? How do they receive communion?:confused:
 
Yes they do, as a sacristan I put out non-gluten hosts when notified that a parishoner will be attending mass. As for the wine, they just don’t partake.
 
Low-gluten hosts can be used. Also with regards to the Precious Blood, even tiny amounts would do. If babies can receive the Precious Blood, there must be a way for adults with issues with alcohol to receive even once in a while.
 
yes there are a very small number of celiacs who cannot tolerate even the least amount of gluten and therefore cannot receive if they also cannot have the consecrated wine. They are counselled to offer up their sacrifice in atonement for abuses against the Eucharist and for those cannot receive due to persecution or lack of priests.

mustum can be used only by priests who cannot for whatever reason tolerate fully alcoholic wine, not the laity.
 
"C. Common Norms
  1. The Ordinary is competent to give permission for an individual priest or layperson to use low-gluten hosts or mustum for the celebration of the Eucharist. Permission can be granted habitually, for as long as the situation continues which occasioned the granting of permission." (emphasis added)
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=gatewood1988;7999725]I just had a thought, what happens if someone has celiac disease and also cannot drink alcohol? How do they receive communion?:confused:
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Gluten free host are available and ACCEPTABLE for medial reasons by the CC.

In that "The Complete Christ exist is BOTH Species and any part of BOTH species; wine is NOT necessary and produces NO MORE GRACES than the Host alone.:o

God Bless, Pat
 
PJM said:
Gluten free host are available and ACCEPTABLE for medial reasons by the CC.

In that "The Complete Christ exist is BOTH Species and any part of BOTH species; wine is NOT necessary and produces NO MORE GRACES than the Host alone.:o

God Bless, Pat
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No, No , No. gluten free hosts are not acceptable. Read the links I posted above.
 
PJM said:
Gluten free host are available and ACCEPTABLE for medial reasons by the CC.

In that "The Complete Christ exist is BOTH Species and any part of BOTH species; wine is NOT necessary and produces NO MORE GRACES than the Host alone.:o

God Bless, Pat
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Um, I don’t believe you’re correct. Very low gluten, yes, but absolutely not gluten-free.

Reception of both Body and Blood produces a fuller sign but not a more complete sign. In other words, reception of both is more ‘full’ in that you both ‘eat’ and drink’, but it is not more complete in that you don’t get '‘more Jesus’ if you receive both.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Low-gluten hosts can be used. Also with regards to the Precious Blood, even tiny amounts would do. If babies can receive the Precious Blood, there must be a way for adults with issues with alcohol to receive even once in a while.
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In the Latin Rite babies do not receive Communion.
 
thistle said:
In the Latin Rite babies do not receive Communion.
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This is OT but sometimes they do. If a baby has been Chrisimated in an Eastern Rite Church but the family attends a Latin Rite Mass, the baby can receive.
 
thistle said:
In the Latin Rite babies do not receive Communion.
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Thats not my point. My point was, if babies can receive the Precious Blood in very small amounts that its not dangerous to them being infants, I don’t know why a full grown adult cannot do the same. Granted I understand its hard to measure the amount taking a sip from a cup versus getting fed via a golden Liturgical Spoon.
Corki said:
This is OT but sometimes they do. If a baby has been Chrisimated in an Eastern Rite Church but the family attends a Latin Rite Mass, the baby can receive.
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On the other hand, its easier to take a smaller fraction of a host with the wafers that the RC uses, and give it to a small child.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Thats not my point. My point was, if babies can receive the Precious Blood in very small amounts that its not dangerous to them being infants, I don’t know why a full grown adult cannot do the same. Granted I understand its hard to measure the amount taking a sip from a cup versus getting fed via a golden Liturgical Spoon.

On the other hand, its easier to take a smaller fraction of a host with the wafers that the RC uses, and give it to a small child.
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You do not give an alcoholic even a sip of alcohol.
 
=Seatuck;8002436]No, No , No. gluten free hosts are not acceptable. Read the links I posted above.
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Although receiving the Precious Blood alone provides a satisfactory theological answer, many Catholic celiacs still feel a deep sense of loss and isolation by being denied the ability to receive the Body of Christ in the form of bread as they have since childhood. Likewise, parents of celiac children are troubled by having their child receiving Communion differently from other children or by having their child drink wine.

Now there is another choice. The Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration in Clyde, Missouri, have developed a Communion host that is extremely low in gluten. They have worked for ten years on this project. The host is made from gelatinized wheat starch. The hosts have been tested for the presence of gluten. According to the Sisters, they were tested to a level of 0.01% gluten. At that level, the lowest that could be tested, no gluten was detected. This means that there is less than 0.01% gluten in one of these hosts; however, it is not known how much less. The Secretariat for the Liturgy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has stated that these meet the requirements of the Code of Canon Law and may be validly used at Mass with permission of the person’s pastor. They are manufactured by hand in a separate facility from the ordinary wheat hosts and are shipped separately from the wheat hosts so that there is no danger of cross contamination.

I spoke to Sister Jeanne Patricia Crowe, Pharm D, R Ph. of Immaculata College in Pennsylvania. Sister Crowe (who is in a different order from the nuns who developed the host and has no relationship with them) does not have celiac disease herself, but she has a particular interest in it and often speaks at celiac conferences. She weighed these hosts on an extremely accurate pharmaceutical scale, and then calculated how much gluten would be in one IF it actually were 0.01% gluten. The result was approximately 32 micrograms; a quarter of a host would have about 7 micrograms of gluten. For those (like me) who are little shaky on the metric system, 7 micrograms is 7/one millionths of a gram. To put this into perspective, a very small bread crumb contains about 10 milligrams, or 10/one thousandths of a gram–substantially more.

But, of course, the question in everyone’s mind is, “Is this safe?” The answer from the experts is, “Probably.” Alessio Fasano MD of the Celiac Center at the University of Maryland has stated that the gluten free hosts are safe for people with celiac disease; however, he has not explained why. I have attempted to contact him, but he has not responded to me or to another person who has been researching this.[END QUOTE]

God Bless,
Pat
 
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Although receiving the Precious Blood alone provides a satisfactory theological answer, many Catholic celiacs still feel a deep sense of loss and isolation by being denied the ability to receive the Body of Christ in the form of bread as they have since childhood. Likewise, parents of celiac children are troubled by having their child receiving Communion differently from other children or by having their child drink wine.

Now there is another choice. The Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration in Clyde, Missouri, have developed a Communion host that is extremely low in gluten. They have worked for ten years on this project. The host is made from gelatinized wheat starch. The hosts have been tested for the presence of gluten. According to the Sisters, they were tested to a level of 0.01% gluten. At that level, the lowest that could be tested, no gluten was detected. This means that there is less than 0.01% gluten in one of these hosts; however, it is not known how much less. The Secretariat for the Liturgy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has stated that these meet the requirements of the Code of Canon Law and may be validly used at Mass with permission of the person’s pastor. They are manufactured by hand in a separate facility from the ordinary wheat hosts and are shipped separately from the wheat hosts so that there is no danger of cross contamination.

I spoke to Sister Jeanne Patricia Crowe, Pharm D, R Ph. of Immaculata College in Pennsylvania. Sister Crowe (who is in a different order from the nuns who developed the host and has no relationship with them) does not have celiac disease herself, but she has a particular interest in it and often speaks at celiac conferences. She weighed these hosts on an extremely accurate pharmaceutical scale, and then calculated how much gluten would be in one IF it actually were 0.01% gluten. The result was approximately 32 micrograms; a quarter of a host would have about 7 micrograms of gluten. For those (like me) who are little shaky on the metric system, 7 micrograms is 7/one millionths of a gram. To put this into perspective, a very small bread crumb contains about 10 milligrams, or 10/one thousandths of a gram–substantially more.

But, of course, the question in everyone’s mind is, “Is this safe?” The answer from the experts is, “Probably.” Alessio Fasano MD of the Celiac Center at the University of Maryland has stated that the gluten free hosts are safe for people with celiac disease; however, he has not explained why. I have attempted to contact him, but he has not responded to me or to another person who has been researching this.[END QUOTE]

God Bless,
Pat
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It is a low gluten host. Not a gluten free host. The church has made it clear that a gluten free host is invalid matter.
On July 24, 2003 (Prot.N. 98/78-17498), Cardinal Ratzinger again took up the topic of the use of mustum and low-gluten hosts at Mass in a second letter, also addressed to the presidents of Episcopal Conferences and included below for our readers. In it the Prefect restates essential Church teaching regarding valid matter for the Eucharist, and lays out new norms for the use of mustum and low-gluten hosts. Pastors and the faithful are reminded that for bread to be valid matter for the Eucharist, it must be made solely of wheat; contain enough gluten to effect the confection of bread; be free of foreign materials and unaffected by any preparation or baking methods which would alter its nature. The amount of gluten necessary for validity in such bread is not determined by minimum percentage or weight, though hosts which have no gluten are considered invalid matter for Mass. In the Roman Rite, the bread prepared for the Eucharist must also be unleavened.
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usccb.org/liturgy/innews/1103.shtml
 
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