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cyberwolf001
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Long story short it was connect with the Dead by most of our Indo-European Ancestors. Either the sea itself or isles far beyond the reach of mortals.
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dianaiad
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They get surprised.
Or not.
Either way, we theists are the only ones who will be able to say 'I told you so."
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Zooey
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Atheists are yet another good reason for all of us to pray. Especially for the departed, and for those who are near to the end of their earthly lives.Ooooooh, somebody’ll take 'em in alright.It won’t be a sea fairy, though. :byzsoc: Prayers for conversions.
It would be a sad, sorry thing, if the dead were not to be prayed for.
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zrs6v4
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well, its rather simple in my opinion.
The bible says anyone who does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God will have the wrath of God abiding on them. So if one never believes (atheist or whoever) then they will not be freed of this wrath for their sins and will have to be put before a perfect, Holy, and just judge who is Almighty God. There is no what if’s or im not sures, it is a fact whether you believe it or not. Who can flee from the wrath to come? Only one qualified and died for us all- Jesus, therefore we must trust in Him alone.
The bible says anyone who does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God will have the wrath of God abiding on them. So if one never believes (atheist or whoever) then they will not be freed of this wrath for their sins and will have to be put before a perfect, Holy, and just judge who is Almighty God. There is no what if’s or im not sures, it is a fact whether you believe it or not. Who can flee from the wrath to come? Only one qualified and died for us all- Jesus, therefore we must trust in Him alone.
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Nebogipfel
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The OP asked what comfort could be found in the belief that death means the final end of one’s existence. Do you derive comfort from the thought that a significant proportion of all the people that have ever lived will “burn in Hell”?
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dianaiad
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Frankly, I find great comfort in the idea that existence might simply end when the body turns of. Such a thought doesn’t scare me a bit. It beats the hell out of hell.
I don’t happen to believe that life ends at physical death…but I believe it because of the promises, because of the Spirit, and because of faith, not fear.
The religion I belong to doesn’t believe in a literal fiery hell, though. Perhaps that might have something to do with it.
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PJM
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***Because God can be described as “all everything good perfectly” and because Gods “Goodness” must include both “Fairness” and Justice" applied in a level manner to all humanity, we cannot be sure.
At issue here is “opportunuty to know God and to know the truth.” God permits us to judge their “fruits” but not their motives.
Having an opportunity to know God, to know truth will be viewed by God as rejecting the same. Not good.
Further God is committed to granting every human person sifficient grace to accept Salvation. If this is true, and it certainly seems to be, then this too is not good news for those who have freely choosen to reject Gods grace.***
So we cannot, and should not attempt to apply our feeble minds to such a profound consideration and pass judgement. We should do what we can to enlighten, engage in chaitatble debate, but allow God to Be God and pass Just Judgement, which God will certainly do what is both fair and just.
Love and prayers,
At issue here is “opportunuty to know God and to know the truth.” God permits us to judge their “fruits” but not their motives.
Having an opportunity to know God, to know truth will be viewed by God as rejecting the same. Not good.
Further God is committed to granting every human person sifficient grace to accept Salvation. If this is true, and it certainly seems to be, then this too is not good news for those who have freely choosen to reject Gods grace.***
So we cannot, and should not attempt to apply our feeble minds to such a profound consideration and pass judgement. We should do what we can to enlighten, engage in chaitatble debate, but allow God to Be God and pass Just Judgement, which God will certainly do what is both fair and just.
Love and prayers,
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Eucharisted
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I disagree with your interpretation, yes. Here is what the Church teaches (the Catechism):
1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven–through a purification or immediately–or immediate and everlasting damnation. At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love.
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Jimmy_B
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27.27% so far, say that they will turn into unicorns…
:manvspc:’
What’s wrong with silly answers?
Sometimes silly questions and silly answers make for good reading…
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PJM
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I agree [almost…I think?]=Jimmy B;5698625]27.27% so far, say that they will turn into unicorns…
:manvspc:’
What’s wrong with silly answers?
Sometimes silly questions and silly answers make for good reading…
They don’t want to know or they wouldn’t be atheist
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choy
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God is just. he will look at each person’s life and make a full judgment based on it. and i believe it won’t be based on one’s religion but on the merits of his entire life
remember the parable of the two sons? one heard his father’s commandments and says he’ll do it but eventually does not do it. the other says he wouldn’t do it but eventually does what the father asks.
so if an atheist lives a life where he is morally upright based on morals from society (which would come from religion but in this case, its not religion that taught him the morals but society) and if a good person, he’s a good person to his neighbors and he helps with some charities, works hard and doesn’t break the laws and is loyal to his spouse and a good father to his children, would God not consider a person worthy of heaven as opposed to a Catholic who gambles away his monthly wages, cheats on his wife, comes home drunk and beats his children.
i believe God will see if this person did get an opportunity to really know Him or perhaps the circumstances in his life why he did not live a life as a Christian. maybe that atheist said he wouldn’t do what God asked (be a Christian) but thought about it and did it anyway (be a good person)
ultimately we don’t know how God will judge but i don’t think the opportunity to be in heaven is only open to Christians
remember the parable of the two sons? one heard his father’s commandments and says he’ll do it but eventually does not do it. the other says he wouldn’t do it but eventually does what the father asks.
so if an atheist lives a life where he is morally upright based on morals from society (which would come from religion but in this case, its not religion that taught him the morals but society) and if a good person, he’s a good person to his neighbors and he helps with some charities, works hard and doesn’t break the laws and is loyal to his spouse and a good father to his children, would God not consider a person worthy of heaven as opposed to a Catholic who gambles away his monthly wages, cheats on his wife, comes home drunk and beats his children.
i believe God will see if this person did get an opportunity to really know Him or perhaps the circumstances in his life why he did not live a life as a Christian. maybe that atheist said he wouldn’t do what God asked (be a Christian) but thought about it and did it anyway (be a good person)
ultimately we don’t know how God will judge but i don’t think the opportunity to be in heaven is only open to Christians
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John7
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No unicorn transformation
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Gail-Rein/Fantasy-Unicorn-Print-C10001730.jpeg
Hebrews 9:27
“…it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this
the judgment”
John 5:29
And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Gail-Rein/Fantasy-Unicorn-Print-C10001730.jpeg
Hebrews 9:27
“…it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this
the judgment”
John 5:29
And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Jimmy_B
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Here is a picture of Athiest Heaven -
http://nigeltomm.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/tomm-black-square-rectangle.jpg
http://nigeltomm.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/tomm-black-square-rectangle.jpg
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Benjamin8o8
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I too believe Atheist will go to hell. Thus they will burn for all eternity. Not because God hates them but because they denied God and made themselves into gods.I voted that they burn in Hell. This is especially true if they knew God at one point and then rejected Him to become an Atheist. Here is what the Church teaches about Atheism:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a1.htm#2123
God Bless,
Holly
be a king on earth you´ll become a slave in hell.
be a slave on earth you´ll become a king in Heaven.
May God have mercy on those irrational thinkers who assume life popped out of nothing and believe we have nature and everything else that comes with it through random evolution.
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AnAtheist
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I’d very much like to be a unicorn for a while. Or be a kami in a forest. Or walk the green halls of Landwidi at Vidars side.
Though I expect that life after death feels pretty much the same as life before conception. As for the “comfort” I can’t remember anything bad about not being alive.
As Epicuros once wrote: “Death holds no horrors. As long as I am, it is not. And when it is, I am no longer.”
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Jimmy_B
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So, Atheists do view death, much like - turning a switch off. Where then, is the motivation to behave in life? Doesn’t this view create a self-centeredness?
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AnAtheist
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Frankly, this question infuriates me. It implies only the prospect of a life after death or a punishment after death makes people act in a social manner, and not things like a good education, intelligence, insight, honour, or conscience (wherever that comes from).
This is btw totally separated from the question, whether there actually is an afterlife or a god (which are two separate questions anyway), but what comes into my mind when I hear something like that, is the following:
If someone needs a threat to not behave improperly or a reward to behave well, what does that say about that someone’s character?
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reggieM
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It’s properly human. We would all discover, if we could investigate your personal life very closely, that you act in precisely this same way.
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PaulDupre
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They get the biggest surprise of their lives.
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Jimmy_B
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What is your definition of “consequences”?
What are your thoughts regarding B.F. Skinner and Behaviorism?
Are you also infuriated by the notion of positive and negative re-enforcement? Do the courts, the legal system, police departments and prisons infuriated you as well?
What about Olympic Gold Medals, or Medal of Honors, should we stop giving those out?
How does a football coach decide whom he will start in the next game? Why are the referees and penalties in football? Why do the keep score?
On what biases should we hire, fire, promote or demote people in the work place? Aren’t decisions like these based on good and bad behavior and the consequences thereof?
Rewarding those who behave and punishing those who don’t go towards creating civility and peace. It also protects the innocents, creates justice and is, simply stated part of the human condition. This is one of those things, which separates from animals.
This concept, “says” absolutely nothing about a person’s character. A person’s own behavior is how their character is judged, not the system that rewards or punishes their behavior. The existence of good and evil isn’t something simply pluck from thin air; it is a reality of life.
Do not assume that what works for you, works for everybody else, because everybody is different. However, it is commonly known and accepted that most people do respond to positive and negative reinforcement.
Your thoughts?
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