What happens to the Rest of Us?

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Steadfast said:
Don’t pray for me to revert to Roman Catholicism.

Wow, what nerve!
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Steadfast, haven’t you ever read the passage “Don’t get mad, get even”? (Okay, it’s not really a passage, but that’s beside the point.) Why aren’t you praying that we all become Lutheran(ish)?
 
Steadfast said:
Help me understand.

Do you just want me to generally “discern the truth” or is this code for “figure out that the RCC is right and revert”?

I’ve already attempted the latter (several times).

If all you want is for me to be wiser and smarter, well, sure then, pray away!

But if you can’t disentangle them then it would probably be best if you refrain.
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What makes you so sure that you have all the answers?
 
Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had, but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way!
 
Steadfast said:
Please note what I actually wrote was: “evidence of my commitment either to obstinacy or informed conviction, as you see fit.”

The idea being that you, as a Catholic may consider obstinacy what I, or another Protestant may see to be informed conviction.

It’s an either/or, not a both/and.
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Ah, but it is both/and in many things. Christianity is full of paradoxes, such as the Virgin Birth, the Incarnation, the Resurrection, a Church that has stayed united, teaching the same truths for nearly 2000 years, through war and peace, good societies and bad, in spite of human frailties and strengths, with a plethora of saints and sinners. It’s truly miraculous!
As for your question: I’m just here to do the best I can to keep you all honest.
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Thank you for your efforts. We all need to be kept honest from time to time, but generally speaking the Catholics on CAF are honest–sometimes to a fault, as well as most of our non-Catholic members.
I appreciate your prayers but if you believe in the sovereignty of “free will” as well as this myth of “invincible ignorance” I will ask that these prayers not contain any supplications for my reversion to what I have repudiated.
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Oh but you do believe in free will. You struggled, you discerned, you made a decision. Those are all actions of a free will. God didn’t make you do any of those things. He lets us decide if we will accept his truths or not. If he didn’t, hell would make no sense and would be gravely unjust.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
I thought you meant you weren’t interested in learning more when you posted this:
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Again, if by “discerning the truth” you mean nothing more than “being transformed by the renewing of my mind” and growing in wisdom and knowledge then of course I am interested.

But I have learned that you guys are tricksy.

If I am mistaken in assuming that part of what you mean when you say this is that I will come to the same convictions as yourself and revert to Roman Catholicism then I beg your pardon.

But if you do mean this, then, well, yeah, I don’t need those kinds of prayers.

In this regard, I have arrived. I don’t claim to have all the answers but the honesty of my struggle and the truth I now embrace combine to assure me of this.
 
Steadfast said:
Again, if by “discerning the truth” you mean nothing more than “being transformed by the renewing of my mind” and growing in wisdom and knowledge then of course I am interested.

But I have learned that you guys are tricksy.

If I am mistaken in assuming that part of what you mean when you say this is that I will come to the same convictions as yourself and revert to Roman Catholicism then I beg your pardon.

But if you do mean this, then, well, yeah, I don’t need those kinds of prayers.

In this regard, I have arrived. I don’t claim to have all the answers but the honesty of my struggle and the truth I now embrace combine to assure me of this.
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Given your admitted ignorance on many issues, ignorance that we all share, how can you be sure that you won’t be led back to Catholicism at some point?
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Given your admitted ignorance on many issues, ignorance that we all share, how can you be sure that you won’t be led back to Catholicism at some point?
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The same way you can know you’ll never become Lutheran I guess.
 
Steadfast said:
The same way you can know you’ll never become Lutheran I guess.
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I can’t know that.

If that was where I was led by following the truth and God’s will to the best of my ability then that is where I would go.

I’m sure that you would say the same thing about Catholicism in a less combative environment!
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
I can’t know that.

If that was where I was led by following the truth and God’s will to the best of my ability then that is where I would go.

I’m sure that you would say the same thing about Catholicism in a less combative environment!
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Well, I guess I’m one up on you then!
 
Steadfast said:
Now this is interesting.

I’ll accept this because I accuse Catholics of the same kind of grandiose BS around here all the time (with far more justification I think, but so be it), but really now, Euch, what did I say that would lead you to make a fool of yourself like this?

Don’t pray for me to revert to Roman Catholicism.

Wow, what nerve!
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That made a lot of sense. I’ve been in your shoes…very anti-Catholic. It is ritious to pray for everybody’s conversion. Conversion doesn’t just happen once. It’s a life long experience. If you’re not growing you shrinking. Sometimes people get stuck in ruts.

I see that you have rejected the Catholic faith. Be on your way. The only reason you’d be here is to proselytize…and that is against the rules. You’ve made several inflamatory remarks on a Catholic board. Grant it, it’s the non-Catholic part of the forum, but the rules still stand. This is supposed to be for those that do not understand the faith. You already know the faith, so you think as I once did too. So be it. But don’t spend your time on here fighting with people. That is very unproductive, and I believe that deep down inside you know that is true. You wouldn’t be here unless you had a bone to pick with the Catholic Church. And since you can’t fight a huge organization you’re taking your anger out on individuals.

I’m still praying for you, whether you want it or not. That’s equivalent to rejecting God’s grace. Why would you do such a thing?

PAX
 
Euch,

Why would you say I am “anti-catholic”? What have I said that would lead you to accuse me of that?
 
If God has chosen youj to salvation it does not matter which church you belong to.
 
Steadfast said:
The same way you can know you’ll never become Lutheran I guess.
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Speaking for myself, I’m sure I could never become Lutheran because of the Creed: Lutherans insist on the insertion of the filioque (“and the Son”) clause into the Creed, and yet they reject the very authority (the Pope) that authorized the insertion in the first place.
 
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