What has happened to Ascension Thursday?

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Even in the East we call them Sunday of the Great Fast, but it is still technically not Lent. Because every Sunday is a little Easter. It has been the universal Church tradition from the beginning.
It’s supposed to be exactly 40 days of fasting. That’s why Sundays are not counted in the 40 days and why Lent begins on a Wednesday.

Of course, given the fact that there is no obligation to fast and pretty much nobody does so, it’s all kind of lost it’s meaning anyway for most Catholics.
 
It’s supposed to be exactly 40 days of fasting. That’s why Sundays are not counted in the 40 days and why Lent begins on a Wednesday.

Of course, given the fact that there is no obligation to fast and pretty much nobody does so, it’s all kind of lost it’s meaning anyway for most Catholics.
It can’t be exactly 40 days - even without the Sundays (which as Constantine rightly pointed out are never fast days - East or West)…the solemn feasts of St. Josehp and of the Annunciation tend to fall during Lent…and those feasts are certainly NOT days of fasting.
 
Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
says nothing about the readings. Or does it imply them with the “transfer” ? I haven’t read the authoritative Latin.

I believe my (other) pastor who doesn’t have the EF during the week is allowed to use Ascension readings on the Sunday within the Octave. The FSSP priest who does say the daily EF will be using the Sunday within the Octave readings. These are different readings.
 
My FSSP parish had an Ascension Thursday Mass yesterday evening. It was very well attended, I may add.

Must be all those disobedient people who don’t listen to their bishop when he tells them the feast has been transferred to Sunday. 😉
My OF parish had the same, my wife indicated that it was packed. I went to noon Mass yesterday at a parish near my work. The normal weekday crowd was there.

As the bishops noted, there was no obligation to go, but really, are we called to be minimalists in this??
 
I am not sure whether I am posting this in the right place - but as the Ascension is "traditional '- I’m taking the opportunity to do so.

Granted, I am in Australia - but was absolutely horrified this week when I couldn’t find a SINGLE Mass in any of the local parishes on Thursday. I couldn’t get to the Latin Mass in the evening, so had intended to go to one of the several Catholic churches in my neck of the woods.

Not a chance - not even a mention of it in any of the online newsletters. Someone has since told me that in Australia, the Ascension has been shunted sideways, tidied up as it were, into the closest Sunday - one Mass for the price of two…

The last time I was as shocked as this was back in the early eighties when the Parish Priest said that the Resurrection was “just a symbol…”

I am rapidly losing respect for this “modernised” form of Catholicism; other religions don’t water down their beliefs in this way, do they? But the reality is that there are times when I simply cannot attend the Latin Mass, and I would have liked to have been able to have attended a Novus Ordo Mass on Thursday.
Is this a worldwide trend? - or something peculiar to Australia?
There was nothing stopping anyone from attending Mass in the Ordinary Form, or any other form on Thursday.

Equating the move of the Solemnity to Sunday with a denial of the ressurection and reacting equally to both seems a bit much. One invalidates our entire faith. The other is just a change in the calendar.

I’m not talking about you personally bluecake, but I get the feeling that there are a whole bunch of people who rarely go to weekday Mass but are complaining that they were somehow cheated out of a weekday Mass. It’s like they complain that they were cheated out of an obligation to go to Mass which they wouldn’t have gone to anyway had they not been obligated… 🤷

-Tim-
 
The Archdiocese of Omaha is one of the handful that still have Ascension Thursday as an HDO. My fiancee and I met for Mass yesterday at noon. We went to the same parish at the same time for Ash Wednesday this year. I found it curious that the Ash Wednesday Mass (not an HDO) was packed, maybe standing room only while yesterday’s Mass was sparsely populated. :confused:
 
The EF oratory I attend in the Archdiocese of St. Louis celebrated Ascension Thursday. The Poor Clair Monetary in Belleville Illinois (Diocese of Belleville) also celebrated Ascension Thursday, but in the OF.

Both of these Diocese celebrate The Ascension on Sunday normally.
 
The Archdiocese of Omaha is one of the handful that still have Ascension Thursday as an HDO. My fiancee and I met for Mass yesterday at noon. We went to the same parish at the same time for Ash Wednesday this year. I found it curious that the Ash Wednesday Mass (not an HDO) was packed, maybe standing room only while yesterday’s Mass was sparsely populated. :confused:
This is because you “get something” at Ash Wednesday Mass, and people love getting stuff, even if it’s only ashes. The thing is, it happens once a year, so I think some people kind of get the idea that it’s more important than Communion just because of the rarity. As for Ascension Thursday, sure it might be a holy day in that diocese, but to people who don’t really know anything about their own religion, it’s just another Mass with different readings and there’s nothing special about it to them.
 
My OF parish had the same, my wife indicated that it was packed. I went to noon Mass yesterday at a parish near my work. The normal weekday crowd was there.

As the bishops noted, there was no obligation to go, but really, are we called to be minimalists in this??
My daily parish had its normal Mass times but it was a longer Mass…celebrated as if it were a HDO …but in our diocese it has been transferred to Sunday…so I’ll get it twice:thumbsup:
 
I live in Indonesia, the largest muslim country in the world, and we even had a holiday on the Ascension day here.

Most catholic churches here, if not all, celebrated the Ascension mass on Thursday. There were less people coming, but it was not bad as it was a long weekend when people tended to go on a trip out of town.

So, I think it is more because of the enthusiasm. When the church is full, there is no reason not to have a mass on Thursday.
 
This is because you “get something” at Ash Wednesday Mass, and people love getting stuff, even if it’s only ashes. The thing is, it happens once a year, so I think some people kind of get the idea that it’s more important than Communion just because of the rarity. As for Ascension Thursday, sure it might be a holy day in that diocese, but to people who don’t really know anything about their own religion, it’s just another Mass with different readings and there’s nothing special about it to them.
But they “get something” at every Mass in the Eucharist. I know, something different. I see the same phenomenon with Palm Sunday every year. Mass attendance is the same throughout Lent and suddenly Palm Sunday is standing room only.
 
But they “get something” at every Mass in the Eucharist. I know, something different. I see the same phenomenon with Palm Sunday every year. Mass attendance is the same throughout Lent and suddenly Palm Sunday is standing room only.
So the solution is to give something special out here and there. Perhaps we can have Bobblehead Sunday or something?
 
So the solution is to give something special out here and there. Perhaps we can have Bobblehead Sunday or something?
I like that idea. We could start with bobbleheads for each of the Popes and then move on to the saints. Maybe also something like one lucky Mass attendee wins a relic? Of course, to make sure people stay for the duration of the Mass, these items would need to be handed out after Mass as you are leaving.
 
I like that idea. We could start with bobbleheads for each of the Popes and then move on to the saints. Maybe also something like one lucky Mass attendee wins a relic? Of course, to make sure people stay for the duration of the Mass, these items would need to be handed out after Mass as you are leaving.
But it would have to be worth more then the opportunity to be the first one out of the parking lot…:rolleyes:
 
I’m not talking about you personally bluecake, but I get the *feeling *that there are a whole bunch of people who rarely go to weekday Mass but are complaining that they were somehow cheated out of a weekday Mass. It’s like they complain that they were cheated out of an obligation to go to Mass which they wouldn’t have gone to anyway had they not been obligated… 🤷-Tim-
With respect to your “feeling”, I call bs.
 
Thursday was a HDO in all 3 of the Nebraska Dioceses (Omaha, Lincoln and Grand Island), along with a handful of other Dioceses around the country. I love keeping the Holy Days on the day they are celebrated, rather than moving them to the nearest Sunday.

Many people I know think Ash Wednesday is a HDO and that they HAVE to go to Mass. Unfortunately, many people have not been properly catechized, or do not take the opportunities they should to learn more about their faith.
 
Ok - so why aren’t we all whinging that Pentecost isn’t ever celebrated on a Monday then? 50 (‘Pente’) days after Easter Sunday is 50 days after all, and 50 days should fall on a Monday, not a Sunday!
 
Ok - so why aren’t we all whinging that Pentecost isn’t ever celebrated on a Monday then? 50 (‘Pente’) days after Easter Sunday is 50 days after all, and 50 days should fall on a Monday, not a Sunday!
Probably for the same reason we don’t complain that Septuagesima (70 days before), Sexagesima (60 days before) and Quinquagesima (50 days before) Sundays in the 62 calendar aren’t accurately set either.
 
Aside:

The “handful” of dioceses retaining Thursday celebration which several have mentioned is actually 7 handfuls – 35. Nearly 1 in 5 US dioceses. A minority, sure, but not as puny as some seem to imply.

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