What have been the societal consequences of Same-Sex Marriage where it is legalised?

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The biggest problem other than this being a grave sin is that people have false expectations.

They think by letting so-called gay “marriage” go, that people will just shut-up about it and move on.

In the US shortly after the court shoved this on the American people in a blatantly unconstitutional act, activists were calling up bakers to see which ones would serve gay weddings.

A couple that refused were fined by the government and/or sued.

This isn’t about live and let live or about equality. It’s all part of the post-modern left trying to destroy the nuclear family out of hate, fear and spite. It may not even be a majority who agree with this, but these are often the loudest voices or the people in power.

Also, since this has been legal in the West for 10 years or so, the following marriages have occurred:
  1. To a pillow
  2. To themselves
  3. To a laptop
  4. To a ferris wheel
  5. To a videogame character
The other problem is that so-called gay “marriage”, in the words of Dennis Prager, makes gender meaningless. So people are running around with all of these made-up genders with made-up pronouns, and Canada recently added these protections to their human rights code. So if you don’t call someone “ze” or by the proper pronoun, you could face jail time at the expense of the Canadian taxpayer.
The Evil One knows how to (try) destroy the Church. Destroy its fundamental unit: the family!
 
I can’t imaging schools being caught in the middle of this issue with no clear legal issues. I agree a person should use a locker room, rest room corresponding to his or her God given gender.
An attempt is being made to force schools to comply. For some, gender identity is a choice.

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I can’t imaging schools being caught in the middle of this issue with no clear legal issues. I agree a person should use a locker room, rest room corresponding to his or her God given gender.
This issue is being debated in our public school district, which is why DS will not be going there. And we live in Mennonite country. Go figure.
 
Until the novelty wears off…
Plus, marriage is down and gay ‘marriage’ isn’t offsetting the declines. Aside from the fact LGBT are a minority, not many LGT people actually chose to obtain a marriage licence.
Marriage is not a right. Otherwise, everyone who is single should be suing the state for not being married.

The negative effects are in the legal sphere.
There isn’t much in terms of social effects. There’s a hypothesis that because sexually active gay men are promiscuous and very prone to open relationships if they’re in a relationship (Dan Savage and other gay activists have stated most gay relationships are, using Savage’s term ‘monogamish’, there are some statistics that back this claim), by being ‘married’, the idea of marriage being exclusive to all others could be damaged and this will spread to heterosexual couples. We have yet to see any evidence to confirm this hypothesis. It may happen or it may not. This can only be observed over decades not years.
The Ohio case isn’t related to homosexual acts, rather it’s a legal issue, where the redefinition of marriage opens the litigation floodgates. Some places have protections others don’t and refuse to implement any.​

The key thing here is heterosexuals have blighted marriage. Many heterosexuals don’t subscribe to chastity and thus such think porn consumption and strip club patronising aren’t cheating and think polyamory is okay. Of course, that’s because most heterosexuals aren’t religious not even in the 1920s. There’s a difference between claiming to be ‘Christian’ and following Christ.
This is not to say all non-religious people are like this but there’s little to dissuade them from such beliefs except the fading afterglow of Christian influence at the top of society. There’s a good chance most non-religious couples think it’s okay for couples to view porn because nothing physical has occurred (except maybe to the porn viewer). This could be an interesting topic for research.
You believe that gay marriage encourages promiscuity 🤷.
Clearly i am too old or you never used certain public toilets after dusk in the 60s and 70s as a boy and wondered why strange men used to loiter there for no particular reason on weekends.
Common sense suggests testing the reverse hypothesis might be a better use of research money. That is, if anything promotes poor mental health, lonliness and promiscuity it is ostracisation and homophobia by society at large. Everybody knows marriage is a statement about commitment rather than promiscuity. If it fails it will likely do so only just as much as heterosexual endeavours one would think.
 
Catholics still have sacramental marriage between a man and a woman.
Thank you for noticing. 🙂

But I would add that we also still know in our hearts that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid.
 
You believe that gay marriage encourages promiscuity 🤷.
Clearly i am too old or you never used certain public toilets after dusk in the 60s and 70s as a boy and wondered why strange men used to loiter there for no particular reason on weekends.
Common sense suggests testing the reverse hypothesis might be a better use of research money. That is, if anything promotes poor mental health, lonliness and promiscuity it is ostracisation and homophobia by society at large. Everybody knows marriage is a statement about commitment rather than promiscuity. If it fails it will likely do so only just as much as heterosexual endeavours one would think.
When did I say I believed it? That’s a hypothesis put out by some social scientists and it could be true but they need to prove it but the nature of it prevents immediate findings.
Personally, I think heterosexuals are doing a good job of causing this on their own in a selfish sex-saturated culture filled with pseudo-scientific claims on sexual topics taken as gospel truth.
You claim everybody knows marriage is about ‘commitment’. I’m not so sure about that. We’re finding more and more people, heterosexual and homosexual, don’t believe in exclusivity. It’s already failing though I don’t believe that’s because of sexually active homosexuals but rather a increasingly secularized heterosexual population. Still, one has to wonder if people like Dan Savage actually understand what ‘commitment’ really entails because of their, as he calls it, ‘monogamish’ arrangement (Savage has had a marriage licence since 2005 from Canada). ‘Committed’ unless I’m bored with you every few weeks or months doesn’t sound like commitment.

At the risk of going off topic but how does homophobia and ostracism promote promiscuity?
 
Thankyou for the continuing information and discussions.

We seem to be in some agreement that the changes from SSM have not had a large impact on society yet, however we disagree on the significance and long-term implications of the changes.
The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years —** about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.
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None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.
This is consistent with other articles I’ve read saying that monogamy has never been practiced within the gay community and some were even surprised when the community, as a whole, started demanding a right to “marry”. Others have suggested that the push comes more from heterosexual people than gays themselves.

This adds to the serious questions about putting an adopted child in a same-sex home. They may not be many, but how we treat the weakest in our society is important.
 
Thankyou again for the personal perspectives. That was at least half of my question, and your resposes have been most interesting and helpful!

👍

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Aside from that, I’d like to mention something about searching the web for information on this and similar topics. I’ve heard anecdotal evidence that google pushes a strong “progressive” agenda in search results on hot-button social issues, and that you can get information out of other search engines that is inaccessible in google. I personally have found Bing and DuckDuckGo better on occasion.
 
When did I say I believed it?
So you contributed an unsubstantiated random hypothesis just for the fun of it?
At the risk of going off topic but how does homophobia and ostracism promote promiscuity?
May I ask if you are over the age of 35 or have significant life experience such as workplace managerial responsibility, burnout, a broken sexual relationship, a major mental health episode requiring medication, crippling lonliness, a near death health event?

If you had I suggest you wouldn’t be asking this question.
 
This is consistent with other articles I’ve read saying that monogamy has never been practiced within the gay community
:confused::confused::confused:
You believe monogamy is well practised within the heterosexual community despite the high divorce and remarriage rates? Well I suppose serial marriages is still a “monogamy” of sorts.

I know of a number of gay couples who have been together forever 😊.
Not that I was looking. Often people don’t even realise they are an item.
 
:confused::confused::confused:
You believe monogamy is well practised within the heterosexual community despite the high divorce and remarriage rates? Well I suppose serial marriages is still a “monogamy” of sorts.

I know of a number of gay couples who have been together forever 😊.
Not that I was looking. Often people don’t even realise they are an item.
The situation of children in same-sex homes has become an important topic in this thread, so I will present one of the references I have seen.
A seminal U.S. study of 156 long-term same-sex couples found that the majority were unable to sustain a monogamous relationship for more than a year. In fact, not a single same-sex couple was capable of maintaining fidelity for more than five years. Rather, ‘all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years … incorporated some provision for sexual activity outside of their relationships’.[4] Another reliable study from seven years ago informed that, as a general rule, same-sex partnerships are significantly more prone to dissolution than heterosexual marriage, with the average same-sex relationship lasting only two to three years.[5]
[Quadrant Magazine - Children’s Welfare in Same-Sex Families – Quadrant Online”]Children’s Welfare in Same-Sex Families]
 
The situation of children in same-sex homes has become an important topic in this thread, so I will present one of the references I have seen.

[Quadrant Magazine - Children’s Welfare in Same-Sex Families – Quadrant Online”]Children’s Welfare in Same-Sex Families
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Please give us a break.
I note your reference is not the research itself but a minimal 3rd party reporting thereof.
Your “seminal study” was actually done in 1984!, before being gay lost its stigma, well before gay marriages and it only dealt with males couples.
I have seen recent research that comes to contrary conclusions:shrug:.

In other words everybody is pushing their own line with significant bias.

Like they say, there are three types of untruth: lies, damn lies and statistics.
 
I have no interest in long debates in this thread.

It was a request for **information **- both personal experiences and third party.

As same-sex marriage has only been introduced in the last ten years, it is not surprising that the experiences are still being formed.

Any readers can take what they want, or don’t want, from the posts.
 
At the risk of going off topic but how does homophobia and ostracism promote promiscuity?
A person who is a victim of homophobia and ostracism may or may not then act promiscuously. But homophobia and ostracism are wrong regardless.
 
This issue is being debated in our public school district, which is why DS will not be going there. And we live in Mennonite country. Go figure.
I lived in Kalona, Iowa which was mainly Amish country but many Mennonite people as well. You never know where these issues will infiltrate. Frightening. I would think Mennonite country would be spared these issues.
 
Thank you for noticing. 🙂

But I would add that we also still know in our hearts that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid.
“Know” can be a funny word sometimes. Yes you “know” by your faith. If for instance you were of another faith by which you walk though whose understanding has evolved on homosexuality or on what constitutes monogamous marriage, you wouldn’t necessarily know. 🙂
 
“Know” can be a funny word sometimes. Yes you “know” by your faith. If for instance you were of another faith by which you walk though whose understanding has evolved on homosexuality or on what constitutes monogamous marriage, you wouldn’t necessarily know. 🙂
Indeed. Liberals think that they know the truth, but they are mistaken. 👍
 
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