What I don't like about Catholics...as a Catholic.

[Farsight001]

I began praying for this person last night, BUT, I submit we should do a novena, post a notice in the prayer folder, for anybody who might want to join. A Rosary Novena.

Anyway, back to topic, like the Golden Rule, I think the original post can be summed up in one statement with two parts:

What I don’t like about Catholics…as a Catholic:
–Catholics who show God disrespect in His house, in all forms.
–Catholics who wish to remain in their ignorance and pride.

I think that about sums it up.

You talk about me like I’m not here, say you’ll pray for me, which is all kinds of rude and condescending in this situation, disrespect me directly, create a snide new list directed specifically at me, STILL haven’t answered all my questions, and won’t even deny that you’re promoting a prosperity gospel and I’m the one with the problem? Oye vey. I guess all I can say is thanks for conceding a third time. You really can stop now. It’s not necessary to keep doing it.

 

[rinnie]

I know this is a bit off topic, but this is another famous misquote.

It’s not stop judging. We are all subject to judgement! No one is immune to judgement.

Try Matthew Chapter 7. It basically states that the same way you judge others is how you yourself will be judged.

NOT that you won’t be judged. Heck, it’s not even that you shouldn’t judge others, just be aware that the standards that you hold others to, you will be held to.

So, if you say of someone else, “I can’t believe that she went to that party not wearing any make up”, that’s saying that you don’t think that’s an OK thing to do. So, when the next party takes place and you are there with no make up, you can’t say, honestly, that, 'I didn’t think it was a big deal to not wear make up. You’ve established it as a a big deal.

Just thought I’d point that out.

The other things that set me off are: “I could care less”, for “I couldn’t care less”, or “Money is the root of all evil”, when it’s actually “the LOVE of money is the root of all evil”

According to my Bible it states that it means Do not judge others, in order that you may not be judged by God. (The New Jerusalem Bible)

The Catholic Bible Study. This is not a prohibition against recognizing the fault of others which would be hardly compatible with vv 5 &6. But against passing judgment in a spirit of arrogance forgetful of one’s own fault.

Now that is what you have to think of. It goes hand and end with the scripture of James 4:12. Can we judge sin? Of course we can. It is in not accepting sin that we bring back our brothers and sisters to our Lord.

I say, and as we know this is just us speaking our views in a Christian way. Don’t worry what someone wears. If it is something that is very wrong it for the Priest to take the person to the side in silence and tell them. If it is your child then it is your duty.

But when we enter the Mass it should be about us. Us and God. If you feel as I do that you can wear a nice pair of jeans, and a nice shirt and not dress up every Sunday to go to Church that is between God and I.

On the other hand my Father felt he MUST wear a suit. (and tie) THat was what his heart told him, and he was not wrong. But how could someone dare condemn Papa for wearing a suit, if that is what he felt was in his heart. And how could Papa dare condemn then next man for wearing Jeans. Papa never cared what anyone else wore. He cared what he wore. He always said you worry about yourself and your own sins, when you get done with that you will have NO TIME to worry about others.

His words for all were simply this. Thank-you for comming and have a great day. Come back soon!!

 

[Apryl]

What I don’t like about Catholics…as a Catholic:
–Catholics who show God disrespect in His house, in all forms.
–Catholics who wish to remain in their ignorance and pride.

I think that about sums it up.

F’Real!

I’ve always been taught to ‘Instruct the Ignorant… Admonish the Sinner’…

Then, there is a more recent mantra that I’ve taken to of ‘if they knew better, they would DO better’

People don’t get a chance to do better if no one tells them.

Personally, if I see someone doing something, and I don’t say something, it’s in no way a compliment to that person! It says that I don’t think they are capable of doing better. They don’t have the intelligence to even see what they are doing that’s wrong.

One of the benefits of this forum is that I’ve had an opportunity to learn what should and shouldn’t be going on, why, what should be done to correct it, and sometimes, where it came from that I should want to do differently.

 

[John_oxios]

And just because everyone wears them does not make it the norm.

I guess looking down at men or women’s feet during the Mass, checking feet and toes would not be abnormal for someone with a foot fetish, however, we are to be looking up @ the action @ the Altar, when the Priest/ lector is speaking, or the cantor singing… are eyes are forward and up, but that seems abnormal to those who belong to the fashion police.

God bless,
John

 

[John_oxios]

I really don’t think God would really Care. (only the obscent T-shirt now that would be a problem)

In our Church we sing ALL are WELCOME. I say just come, receive the Bread and Blood of Christ. Pray and ask for forgiveness and ask God to make us better People and ask the Holy Spirit to pour into our souls and help us to do Gods work.

Hi Rinnie,
Let’s put tjis in context, when you walk into a courtroom, you show respect for the Judge by dressing respectfully. and if not, the Judge will a0 send you out, b) admonish you and request you show his court respect by dressing more respectful.

God does Care, but then again he makes allowances for the unknowing.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

But Job says it best:

"Behold, I am toward God as you are;** I too was formed from a piece of clay.**"   [Job 33;6]

Galatians 6:1, "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Those who are spiritual don’t dwell on what people wear… but teach by example. and kindness.

God bless,
john

 

[Richard_Kastner]

And just because everyone wears them does not make it the norm.

Actually that is the definition of “the norm.” If everyone is doing it, it is the norm.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Yeah…I don’t want to cause unrest. The guy is essentially preaching a prosperity gospel. As a Catholic, I (WE, actually) are obligated to speak out against it.

Who’s preaching a prosperity gospel? I think I missed something.

 

[adstrinity]

But when we enter the Mass it should be about us.

AHHHHHHHHHH!!! :cringe:

I think this type of sentiment is the reason for this thread.

F’Real!

I’ve always been taught to ‘Instruct the Ignorant… Admonish the Sinner’…

Then, there is a more recent mantra that I’ve taken to of ‘if they knew better, they would DO better’

People don’t get a chance to do better if no one tells them.

Personally, if I see someone doing something, and I don’t say something, it’s in no way a compliment to that person! It says that I don’t think they are capable of doing better. They don’t have the intelligence to even see what they are doing that’s wrong.

One of the benefits of this forum is that I’ve had an opportunity to learn what should and shouldn’t be going on, why, what should be done to correct it, and sometimes, where it came from that I should want to do differently.

You know, for a while, I didn’t do what I was told to do (part of it…MOST of it was lack of funds, and, I still make excuses for my desires (not always sins, though, you understand)) because it wasn’t until a priest told me less than a month ago, in the confessional, “It’s not about you.”



That’s the best thing I could’ve ever heard and I try to remember it everyday, if even imperfectly.

I try to share that with others.

Anyway, I thought this thread was doing exactly that, admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant. The OP has done his (his?) part. It’s up to the rest of us to fix ourselves…and help others.

In the meantime, I’ve started a thread in the Prayer folder. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7050616#post7050616

Moreover, though, I’m asking for a novena on this thread as well, particularly for Farsight001. A Rosary Novena. To begin tomorrow, 9/11/10, because I want all who have been following THIS thread to know about it, including the lurkers. I am starting this tomorrow, and asking all others to as well, so that it does give everybody time to know about it, but, still, it’s done fairly quickly, as this person needs prayers right away. From witnessing an abuse of Christ and thinking it was great …well, really, that’s all. Whatever has been said to me or to others is not important, but, not seeing that Christ should NOT have been subject to that should make all here concerned. THIS is why I’m asking for the Novena. That this person understands how to behave in Church and how to feel sorrow or righteous anger when Our Lord is disrespected.

 

[Farsight001]

That is the most offensive thing anyone has ever done to me. I am truly shocked that you would treat another human being like this. If I was still suffering from depression, I’d probably be in the bathroom right now slitting my wrists. And that ain’t a joke or exaggeration.

You start a topic about arrogant people and list me by name? Does that not seem bad to you? Rude? Condescending? Lacking in charity? BELITTLING? (since that is exactly what you accused me of doing to you)

I doubt I will be posting here anymore if your behavior is allowed to continue. This is absolutely shocking. I have never heard of a Christian acting this way. Jack Chick wouldn’t even do something like this.

 

[Farsight001]

Who’s preaching a prosperity gospel? I think I missed something.

Go back a bit further in the posts and you’ll see.

 

[rinnie]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!! :cringe:

I think this type of sentiment is the reason for this thread.

You know, for a while, I didn’t do what I was told to do (part of it…MOST of it was lack of funds, and, I still make excuses for my desires (not always sins, though, you understand)) because it wasn’t until a priest told me less than a month ago, in the confessional, “It’s not about you.”



That’s the best thing I could’ve ever heard and I try to remember it everyday, if even imperfectly.

I try to share that with others.

Anyway, I thought this thread was doing exactly that, admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant. The OP has done his (his?) part. It’s up to the rest of us to fix ourselves…and help others.

In the meantime, I’ve started a thread in the Prayer folder. [/

Moreover, though, I’m asking for a novena on this thread as well, particularly for Farsight001. A Rosary Novena. To begin tomorrow, 9/11/10, because I want all who have been following THIS thread to know about it, including the lurkers. I am starting this tomorrow, and asking all others to as well, so that it does give everybody time to know about it, but, still, it’s done fairly quickly, as this person needs prayers right away. From witnessing an abuse of Christ and thinking it was great …well, really, that’s all. Whatever has been said to me or to others is not important, but, not seeing that Christ should NOT have been subject to that should make all here concerned. THIS is why I’m asking for the Novena. That this person understands how to behave in Church and how to feel sorrow or righteous anger when Our Lord is disrespected.](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7050616#post7050616)

Why did I make you cringe? Why would me saying that when we go to Church it should be about us? Us and God. Why do you go to Church, to see what people are wearing? I think when someone goes to Church as I stated it should be about our relationship with God, us and God. Not what people wear. Sorry if that makes you cringe.

Guess I am just way different from you. I am just happy to see people go to Church:shrug: I could care less as I stated what they wear. I feel what you wear, or what you do is between you and God and no one else should be in Church worrying about what you wore.

You remind me of a sermon Father had once in Church. He talked about the Man who went to Church, rode home, and talked all day on what people wore, who went to church, who missed church, who went out the night before etc. What neighbor did this, who was doing that etc. Do you go to Church to be with God and ask for forgiveness or do you go so you can judge others. Who is the bigger CHristian the one who goes to Church and judges others or the one who missed that Sunday but sits home and minds his own business???

Not that I ever feel that I can miss Church on Sunday. But its not for me to worry about what others do. I can only speak for myself.

 

[rinnie]

Well Guys Forgive me because I do have a big problem with this thread!

I can’t help it. This is just not what I was taught. Tommorow I ask everyone of you to pray for me. I don’t know WHY? I do not feel I am GOOD ENOUGH, which you can see by my responses here I am quite different from my other brothers and sisters in Christ.

By I was called to do something in my Church and wll be receiving a Special Blessing from the Holy Spirit tommorow to do God’s Work in a special way. I am being called to reach out to others, and work very close with the Priest to help others in the community.

Trust me I did not sign up for this. I was asked, I would have never felt that I was the one who God would choose. But it looks like he did. I cannot say no to God. Pray for me that I can do what he has asked me to do. I know I am not worthy but it is what it is.

Please pray that my husband and I can make welcome all who come, that we can help all in need that ask, and that God can be proud of us. Please pray for us that we can never turn anyone away from God’s house but can do our part to help it to grow and do our small part to bring others close to Christ.

I know that the RCC is for sinners as I, and that it is by the RCC that sinners as I can stay one with Christ. I am being asked tommorow to make good on my Baptism promises. So again please pray for us in a special way. God Bless you all!

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Go back a bit further in the posts and you’ll see.

It’s at 27 pages now. Can you steer me a little closer?

Are you offended because people are asking others to pray for you or is it different from that?

 

[adstrinity]

Why did I make you cringe? Why would me saying that when we go to Church it should be about us? Us and God. Why do you go to Church, to see what people are wearing? I think when someone goes to Church as I stated it should be about our relationship with God, us and God. Not what people wear. Sorry if that makes you cringe.

Because, it is NOT about us. I…don’t know if I can say it’s about us and God. IT’S ABOUT GOD. The Mass is NEVER about us. I’m not saying this as attacking. I’m not saying this rudely. It is the truth.

I don’t go to church to check out what other people are wearing, I notice, but, I don’t go there for that reason.

Is it wrong that people should dress more considerably for God, though?

I’ve posted this before, I shall post it again.
rev-know-it-all.com/2008/2008—05-11.html

 

[John_oxios]

Actually that is the definition of “the norm.” If everyone is doing it, it is the norm.

Hi Richard,
ACTUALLY, if I have reservations about doing something (i.e. when I hear a small voice that says, don’t you do that! ) and someone says “C’mon! Everybody’s doin’ it,” that ought to be a reason not to do it… That excuse never worked with my parents… nor does it work for my Children… there’s the norm… and the abby- norm (al). Everybody doin’ it does not mean its A.O.K. it has to include what everybody else is doin also,

Freedom doesn’t mean we get to do whatever we want:

We have the freedom to do the correct /right thing, because when if you think you have the freedom to do anything…well? That’s when you find out you can lose that freedom… it is society as a whole that defines what is good, as a whole.

God Bless,
John

 

[John_oxios]

rinnie;7051778]Well Guys Forgive me because I do have a big problem with this thread!

I can’t help it. This is just not what I was taught. … I do not feel I am GOOD ENOUGH, which you can see by my responses here I am quite different from my other brothers and sisters in Christ…I know I am not worthy but it is what it is

Hi rinnie,
not one of us is worthy! But Christ makes us worthy!

Rinnie, "By I was called to do something in my Church and wll be receiving a Special Blessing from the Holy Spirit tommorow to do God’s Work in a special way. I am being called to reach out to others, and work very close with the Priest to help others in the community.

 Please pray that my husband and I can make welcome all who come, that we can help all in need that ask, and that** God can be proud of us**.  Please pray for us that** we can never turn anyone away from God's house but can do our part to help it to grow** and do our small part to bring others close to Christ.

God is proud of you!
We plant seeds, the Holy Spirit does the rest, it is God who nurtures and allows faith to grow. But they student has to be ready to listen… give’em what you have…and let God do the rest!

Just as Elijah gives Elisha,

2Ki 2:13 He also took up the mantle of Elijah that fell from him and returned and stood by the bank of the Jordan.

James 5:19-20, "My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

I know that the RCC is for sinners as I, and that it is by the RCC that sinners as I can stay one with Christ. I am being asked tommorow to make good on my Baptism promises. So again please pray for us in a special way. God Bless you all!

And God bless abundantly, for accepting and undertaking this task he has placed before you!

In Christ Amen,
John

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Hi Richard,
ACTUALLY, if I have reservations about doing something (i.e. when I hear a small voice that says, don’t you do that! ) and someone says “C’mon! Everybody’s doin’ it,” that ought to be a reason not to do it… That excuse never worked with my parents… nor does it work for my Children… there’s the norm… and the abby- norm (al). Everybody doin’ it does not mean its A.O.K. it has to include what everybody else is doin also,

Freedom doesn’t mean we get to do whatever we want:

We have the freedom to do the correct /right thing, because when if you think you have the freedom to do anything…well? That’s when you find out you can lose that freedom… it is society as a whole that defines what is good, as a whole.

God Bless,
John

Interesting points.

I believe Father John Corapi has stated a similar premise.

 

[John_oxios]

That is the most offensive thing anyone has ever done to me. I am truly shocked that you would treat another human being like this. If I was still suffering from depression, I’d probably be in the bathroom right now slitting my wrists. And that ain’t a joke or exaggeration.

You start a topic about arrogant people and list me by name? Does that not seem bad to you? Rude? Condescending? Lacking in charity? BELITTLING? (since that is exactly what you accused me of doing to you)

I doubt I will be posting here anymore if your behavior is allowed to continue. This is absolutely shocking. I have never heard of a Christian acting this way. Jack Chick wouldn’t even do something like this.

Hello farsight,

There's a list with names??  I must've missed that post?

I’ll tell you the truth though there was a time there I was in a bad state of affairs, was living in my car (No One was aware) … still going to Mass, and reading the Bible during the day in Church during the week. One Sat eve Mass, I was praying for help… I had eight dollars in my pocket… I put it all in the collection, and left it to God. someone from the Church whom I worked with on and off for two yrs or so was two pews behind me. After Mass, he asked to speak to me… I wasn’t in the best clothes, I wasn’t in the best shape, but knowing me, could see something was amiss, asked if I was okay, and then asked me to meet him about 7:30, I complied with his wish, and he handed me an envelope with enough cash to get me out of the jam I was in… God Is Good.

But i guess the general consensus here is that I didn’t belong in Church or at Mass knowing i was dressed less than my best!

another time, I had some time as I was passing Church as a weekday Mass was beginning, I was wearing shorts… stepped in, heard a great homily, received communion and it made my day! Nothing like the Daily Mass, however do we pass up an-opportunity to attend Mass, simply because I’m according to some inappropriately dressed?

God bless,
John

 

[John_oxios]

Interesting points.

I believe Father John Corapi has stated a similar premise.

I heard it from Bishop Fulton Sheen, a buddy of mine had a 16 audio cassette collection… couldn’t remember exactly how he put it nor how he finished it, but the teaching is there. We only have the freedom to do the right thing!

then again there’s nothing new under the sun… just teachings that we suddenly become aware of!

God bless,
John

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Hello farsight,

There's a list with names??  I must've missed that post?

I’ll tell you the truth though there was a time there I was in a bad state of affairs, was living in my car (No One was aware) … still going to Mass, and reading the Bible during the day in Church during the week. One Sat eve Mass, I was praying for help… I had eight dollars in my pocket… I put it all in the collection, and left it to God. someone from the Church whom I worked with on and off for two yrs or so was two pews behind me. After Mass, he asked to speak to me… I wasn’t in the best clothes, I wasn’t in the best shape, but knowing me, could see something was amiss, asked if I was okay, and then asked me to meet him about 7:30, I complied with his wish, and he handed me an envelope with enough cash to get me out of the jam I was in… God Is Good.

But i guess the general consensus here is that I didn’t belong in Church or at Mass knowing i was dressed less than my best!

another time, I had some time as I was passing Church as a weekday Mass was beginning, I was wearing shorts… stepped in, heard a great homily, received communion and it made my day! Nothing like the Daily Mass, however do we pass up an-opportunity to attend Mass, simply because I’m according to some inappropriately dressed?

God bless,
John

That sure wasn’t MY point.

My beef was with the country club crowd (and I know who they are) who come to Mass dressed week after week dressed like they just shoveled out the garage, but who wouldn’t set foot in a restaurant or job interview dressed the same way.