What I learned in RCIA today (Oct 18th 09)

[Ceil-1]

What is your point? Why not post something that’s worth a discussion or at least thought provoking? You obviously know this is rediculous - but you got my attention because I thought you must have learned something interesting to take the time to make a point of it. I was disappointed./QUOTE

 

[bluelake]

Today I learned:

1. Jesus was mostly man. 60% man and 40% God, to be precise.
2. Jesus was unaware that he was God until his baptism by John and then it was a gradual process of realization.
3. Scripture, while inspired by God, contains many errors and contradictions because people have corrupted it and added there own agendas to it.
4. There are no right or wrong answers to questions of faith or morals. It all depends on how we feel about things after prayerful consideration.
5. The best source of teaching on the scriptures are the commentaries of William Barclay, a Protestant minister in the Church of Scotland.

This is my second year of RCIA and I am praying that God will grant me reception into the Catholic church so there will not be a third. This all makes me so very sad.

Paul

T700,
This person is teaching you to reject the word of God?
For example, The interpretation of the word of God may be in error, but not the word that is written in the Bible.

No.1? Jesus is 40-60? Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. See Lu.1:26-38
Jesus is God. Jn.8:58
I’m thinking, you may be pulling our leg with this nonsense you have written.

God bless,
bluelake

 

[T700]

T700,
This person is teaching you to reject the word of God?
For example, The interpretation of the word of God may be in error, but not the word that is written in the Bible.

No.1? Jesus is 40-60? Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. See Lu.1:26-38
Jesus is God. Jn.8:58
I’m thinking, you may be pulling our leg with this nonsense you have written.

God bless,
bluelake

Sorry to tell you, I am not pulling your leg. I see you are Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. I’m originally from your home base in Missouri! I miss the baseball Cardinals!

Paul

 

[Ganyssa]

Wait a minute. You are a baptized Anglican with a good background in scripture and theology and studied in the seminary. Why the heck are you in RCIA? If you were in my parish, with that background, after a good interview and maybe a few sessions to make sure you are completely in line with Catholic teaching, we would have brought you into the church after maybe 2 months after you first inquired. Having you go through 2 years of RCIA, and bad RCIA at that, is a travesty.

I’m a baptized Nazarene who’s taught Sunday School for both children and adults. I’m also in RCIA, with both cathechumens and candidates in the same class. Our last class was learning about the Ten Commandments. So far, there’s been no mention of Jesus, and we were told not to read the Catechism because it’s ‘too hard.’ If I didn’t already believe in the Real Presence, I’d have quit by now. I’m trying to see my RCIA instructor as a well-meaning gate guardian and ‘offer it up,’ but I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it’s supposed to go.

 

[dashso40]

I’m sorry for disappointing you. Please email me your address and I will refund your money.

Seriously, I guess I posted it because my head hurt, I was disappointed, I was annoyed. Not good reasons to waste electrons, I suppose. I do apologize to anyone who felt cheated by the thread.

Paul

I thought it was an interesting thread I completely understand why you posted it

 

[survive]

It’s beyond words. Why is such weird teaching allowed?
Thanks be to God, I belong to a parish with an excellent RCIA program, orthodox and stringent, with a great social life and a huge staff of volunteers, and many wonderful, helpful, kindhearted sponsors.
May the Lord forgive me my petty complaints. I have it pretty good here.
I hope you become a force for radical improvement in your parish.

 

[Saintlucy]

I’m sorry for using the words “economical with the truth”. If what you’re saying is true and, who am I to say it isn’t, then I am shocked beyond words.

What is going on? There should be no difference from one RCIA class from the other (in teaching). Obviously, because each group is different, various questions may come up and be discussed but heresy should never be taught. I am bemused.

 

[T700]

I’m sorry for using the words “economical with the truth”. If what you’re saying is true and, who am I to say it isn’t, then I am shocked beyond words.

What is going on? There should be no difference from one RCIA class from the other (in teaching). Obviously, because each group is different, various questions may come up and be discussed but heresy should never be taught. I am bemused.

No worries! I do understand that without details and background, my post must have looked pretty odd. In hindsight, with my head not pounding, it probably would have been prudent to not start this thread and simply offer it up, but hey, if I was perfect, I’d be a politician!

Paul

 

[journey2kazoo]

I’m sorry for disappointing you. Please email me your address and I will refund your money.

Seriously, I guess I posted it because my head hurt, I was disappointed, I was annoyed. Not good reasons to waste electrons, I suppose. I do apologize to anyone who felt cheated by the thread.

Paul

Paul,

I was viewing this from someone visiting this website and reading without knowledge. It’s misleading the way you posted it, leaving it open to people interpreting whether or not this is true. You might think it’s obvious, but you can’t be so sure that all readers of this site know that. You can be certain of nothing, so you should at least make some sort of statement yourself that renders your information false.

That’s what provoked my initial response. Truth is so muddled anymore - if we know the truth, we should be clear about it. I’m assuming you know the truth of course.

Kristine

 

[T700]

Paul,

I was viewing this from someone visiting this website and reading without knowledge. It’s misleading the way you posted it, leaving it open to people interpreting whether or not this is true. You might think it’s obvious, but you can’t be so sure that all readers of this site know that. You can be certain of nothing, so you should at least make some sort of statement yourself that renders your information false.

That’s what provoked my initial response. Truth is so muddled anymore - if we know the truth, we should be clear about it. I’m assuming you know the truth of course.

Kristine

Good point. I will be more careful in the future. Thanks for posting back with a fuller explanation of what you meant. Peace to you, my friend!

Paul

 

[Ceil-1]

What’s not clear? This is nothing new.

Address this formally. If the pastor refuses to address it, it needs to be brought to the attention of the bishop. If the bishop does nothing about it, it needs to go higher up. If it is not remedied, then a parish that is orthodox should be found.

I was on the RCIA team for my parish,and the newly ordained deacon taught that the contraception teaching was optional, and so was the catechism. “Those are just suggestions.” When I protested openly, I was told that I was “free to shop around” to other parishes.

Well, I did, but not before letting everyone in the class know that that man was teaching falsehood and going directly against the Church. About a year later, they found out the priest had been a child molestor. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. The rest of it would make you sick.

We have a duty, if we know better, to stand up for the Truth.

 

[fdesales]

Wait a minute. You are a baptized Anglican with a good background in scripture and theology and studied in the seminary. Why the heck are you in RCIA? If you were in my parish, with that background, after a good interview and maybe a few sessions to make sure you are completely in line with Catholic teaching, we would have brought you into the church after maybe 2 months after you first inquired. Having you go through 2 years of RCIA, and bad RCIA at that, is a travesty.

I am an RCIA coordinator. I agree with this statement. Sometimes, people put everyone into one “pot”, without regarding the needs of the individual. The Rites book clearly points out that we are to consider each individually. Why subject someone ready to such a lengthy class?

Ask to speak with the priest to be privately accepted into the Church. If your Church had a good program, it might be beneficial - but it doesn’t sound like it is - so bypass it, as it is your right. Before the RCIA became the norm, that is how Christians were accepted into the Church. There is a ritual in the Rites book for such as yourself, it is simple. You would meet with the priest for a few sessions just to ensure that you are, as you claim, knowledgeable about the faith and show signs of conversion to Christ. No doubt, you are. So RUN, don’t walk, away from such an RCIA program!

Regards