What I saw today at Mass

[Vico]

So he did something like this?

V: + In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. R: Amen.
V: The Lord be with you. R: And with your spirit.
V. Lord, have mercy. R. Lord, have mercy.
V. Christ, have mercy. R. Christ, have mercy.
V. Lord, have mercy. R. Lord, have mercy.
V. Let us pray. .(Prayer) R. Amen.
First Reading.

 

[Irishgal49]

Heck, with 5 minutes of thought, many of us in the pews could probably create a one minute “homily,” even if you just focused on one thing in each reading. This is just sheer lazyness.

I totally agree.

 

[Irishgal49]

I too am fed up with this stuff, at my parish during First Communion mass, the children where standing all around the alter during consencration and many of them were acting up and I herd people behind me talking about how they wanted the “cracker”…God help us.

I went to a parish (didn’t go back) who did the same thing and…one of the children had their elbows on the altar with his head in his hands. Two others were pushing each other. Is there a point to this? I was shocked that a kid could lean his elbows within inches of the body and blood of the Lord, I didn’t go back.

 

[vjnycguy]

• No altar servers

Well there could be a reason why there wasn’t any altar servers…

• Homily omitted because he’d been “too busy to look at the readings” (but we did get a story about how he’d escaped getting a speeding ticket but had been given one for passing in a no passing zone, “Poor me, I have to spend $120”)

Padre Pio never did a Homily because you don’t need one. Although talking about a ticket is just plain wrong…

• Woman in shorts preparing the altar at the Offertory
• Laughs with the woman during the Prayers over the Offerings
• Genuflections omitted during the Consecration and before Communion

I’m so fed up with this kind of stuff.

Women in shorts = people like this probably aren’t very religious and don’t know why they are there. But, they could be. I don’t know everything.

Laughs = Just like I said, there are people whom aren’t religious and don’t know why they are there.

Genuflections omitted = That’s… just horrible. Not much of a comment I could make.

• Vjyncguy

 

[Dies_Irae_1]

Yeah, I thought this was standard practice. Maybe it’s a Canada thing. I have never seen a priest walk to the Tabernacle to get the ciborium.

It’s not only a Canada thing. I’ve seen it in Belgium and France. For countries with fantastic catholic histories, well, how fantastically they’ve embraced the abuses.

Praying for you, Phemie.

 

[surritter]

Yeah, I thought this was standard practice. Maybe it’s a Canada thing. I have never seen a priest walk to the Tabernacle to get the ciborium.

A priest or deacon really should be the one to go to the Tabernacle – regardless of where you live.

I don’t think it’s expressly forbidden for an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion to do so, but recall that the EMHC does things only when there is too much for the ordinary minister(s) to do.

 

[Vico]

**USCCB GIRM 2002 **Mass without a Deacon

1. The priest may be assisted in the distribution of Communion by other priests who happen to be present. If such priests are not present and there is a very large number of communicants, the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, e.g., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose.97 In case of necessity, the priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.98

These ministers should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion, and they are always to receive from the hands of the priest celebrant the vessel containing either species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful.

1. When the distribution of Communion is finished, the priest himself immediately and completely consumes at the altar any consecrated wine that happens to remain; as for any consecrated hosts that are left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.

Upon returning to the altar, the priest collects any fragments that may remain. Then, standing at the altar or at the credence table, he purifies the paten or ciborium over the chalice then purifies the chalice, saying quietly, Quod ore sumpsimus (Lord, may I receive), and dries the chalice with a purificator. If the vessels are purified at the altar, they are carried to the credence table by a minister. Nevertheless, it is also permitted, especially if there are several vessels to be purified, to leave them suitably covered on a corporal, either at the altar or at the credence table, and to purify them immediately after Mass following the dismissal of the people.

GIRM Canada 2011 Mass without a Deacon

romanmissal.ca/GIRM.pdf (below)

1. In the distribution of Communion the Priest may be assisted by other Priests who happen to be present. If such Priests are not present and there is a truly large number of communicants, the Priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, that is, duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been duly deputed for this purpose.97 In case of necessity, the Priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.98

These ministers should not approach the altar before the Priest has received Communion, and they are always to receive from the hands of the Priest Celebrant the vessel containing the species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful.

1. When the distribution of Communion is over, the Priest himself immediately and completely consumes at the altar any consecrated wine that happens to remain; as for any consecrated hosts that are left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.

Upon returning to the altar, the Priest collects the fragments, should any remain, and he stands at the altar or at the credence table and purifies the paten or ciborium over the chalice, and after this purifies the chalice, saying quietly the formula Quod ore sumpsimus, Domine (What has passed our lips), and dries the chalice with a purificator. If the vessels are purified at the altar, they are carried to the credence table by a minister. Nevertheless, it is also permitted to leave vessels needing to be purified, especially if there are several, on a corporal, suitably covered, either on the altar or on the credence table, and to purify them immediately after Mass, after the Dismissal of the people.

 

[Phemie]

**USCCB GIRM 2002 **Mass without a Deacon

1. The priest may be assisted in the distribution of Communion by other priests who happen to be present. If such priests are not present and there is a very large number of communicants, the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, e.g., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose.97 In case of necessity, the priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.98

These ministers should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion, and they are always to receive from the hands of the priest celebrant the vessel containing either species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful.

They always receive the vessels from the priest’s hands. They retrieve the Blessed Sacrament from the Tabernacle at the Agnus Dei and place it on the altar.

When we have EMHCs this particular priests distributes the Hosts to them before he says “Ecce Agnus Dei…” and they all consume at the same time as he does.

 

[surritter]

When we have EMHCs this particular priests distributes the Hosts to them before he says “Ecce Agnus Dei…” and they all consume at the same time as he does.

If they ain’t bishops, priests, or deacons, the EMHCs should never receive the host before the priest communicates himself! There are three reasons for this:

• It blatantly violates the GIRM
• It is theologically incorrect (the priest must communicate the Sacrifice first, since he stands in persona Christi)
• It makes it impossible for an EMHC to receive on the tongue, if he or she so chooses

If your pastor is of the left-leaning type, he might not be moved by the first two reasons, but he should sympathize when someones “rights” are being violated. Perhaps approach him with that tactic, so you don’t come off sounding like a “liturgi-cop.”

 

[Phemie]

If they ain’t bishops, priests, or deacons, the EMHCs should never receive the host before the priest communicates himself! There are three reasons for this:

• It blatantly violates the GIRM
• It is theologically incorrect (the priest must communicate the Sacrifice first, since he stands in persona Christi)
• It makes it impossible for an EMHC to receive on the tongue, if he or she so chooses

If your pastor is of the left-leaning type, he might not be moved by the first two reasons, but he should sympathize when someones “rights” are being violated. Perhaps approach him with that tactic, so you don’t come off sounding like a “liturgi-cop.”

• He’s not my Pastor.
• He point blank said at Mass “The GIRM is just suggestions.”
• No EMHC in my parish would dream of receiving on the tongue.
• Those who would receive on the tongue in my parish would not dream of being EMHCs.

 

[Vico]

They always receive the vessels from the priest’s hands. They retrieve the Blessed Sacrament from the Tabernacle at the Agnus Dei and place it on the altar.

When we have EMHCs this particular priests distributes the Hosts to them before he says “Ecce Agnus Dei…” and they all consume at the same time as he does.

OK. Thank you. I see that the practice varies about consecrating enough hosts and who gets the ciborium from the tabernacle. At least in my parish only the priest opens the tabernacle.

 

[surritter]

• He’s not my Pastor.
• He point blank said at Mass “The GIRM is just suggestions.”
• No EMHC in my parish would dream of receiving on the tongue.
• Those who would receive on the tongue in my parish would not dream of being EMHCs.

With these last three things in mind, I’m surprised that you were surprised about the things mentioned in your OP. It sounds like liturgical aberrations are the norm when the pastor thinks that the GIRM is “just suggestions.” Oh well…

 

[Phemie]

With these last three things in mind, I’m surprised that you were surprised about the things mentioned in your OP. It sounds like liturgical aberrations are the norm when the pastor thinks that the GIRM is “just suggestions.” Oh well…

I never said I was surprised about the things I saw, I said I was tired of them. They’ve been going on for months. But our new Pastor arrives on Tuesday. I hope to notice a big change next week.

 

[agw123]

A priest or deacon really should be the one to go to the Tabernacle – regardless of where you live.

I don’t think it’s expressly forbidden for an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion to do so, but recall that the EMHC does things only when there is too much for the ordinary minister(s) to do.

Like I said in my post. If the GIRM says the priest should not leave the sanctuary during mass and the Tabernacle is in a place other than the sanctuary and the GIRM says the priest should get the Eucharist from the Tabernacle then this is a catch 22.

 

[Phemie]

Like I said in my post. If the GIRM says the priest should not leave the sanctuary during mass and the Tabernacle is in a place other than the sanctuary and the GIRM says the priest should get the Eucharist from the Tabernacle then this is a catch 22.

Only consume enough and/or consume what’s left over and voilà! No longer a need to retrieve or repose the Blessed Sacrament. Or return the Tabernacle to the Sanctuary, because, really, how many of us live in parishes where the church is a major tourist destination?

 

[agw123]

Like I said in my post. If the GIRM says the priest should not leave the sanctuary during mass and the Tabernacle is in a place other than the sanctuary and the GIRM says the priest should get the Eucharist from the Tabernacle then this is a catch 22.

Only consume enough and/or consume what’s left over and voilà! No longer a need to retrieve or repose the Blessed Sacrament. Or return the Tabernacle to the Sanctuary, because, really, how many of us live in parishes where the church is a major tourist destination?

This works under the assumption that you actually know how many people are going to show up for Mass. In the summer its a shot in the dark with vacations. Was just there yesterday and 8:30AM Mass was quite crowded. Hosts were consecrated at that Mass but some still had to be used from the Tabernacle.

You are under the assumption that there is room in the Sanctuary for a Tabernacle and not withstanding some major construction.

Liturgally speaking the Tabernacle is allowed to be outside of the Sanctuary.