What if 50 million Pro-Lifers stopped paying income taxes simultaneously?

[Jaypeeto4]

Dear SPEEDYPIZZA,
thanks so much for your comments !!!

And those ONE MILLION people had better start praying that ROSARY TONIGHT,
because today our “erudite” President and his “Catholic” secy of health
announced they were ENDING the CONSCIENCE CLAUSE EXEMPTION for
religious organizations, so now the Catholic Church will be forced to provide it’s employees Contraception Coverage (and you can BE SURE it won’t stop at THAT) and other ungodly benefits in it’s insurance coverage plans. SO will all other Christian, Orthodox Jewish, Mormon, Muslim and other religions, in violation of the Laws of God and the moral teachings of the Holy Spirit.

Today our government, by this horribly wicked decision, quite likely blasphemed the spirit of God. You don’t EVER, not EVER, tell a religion and it’s people that they are required by Law to violate their consciences. We can be assured, as Our Lady has warned us many times, that God will NOT “sit still” for this, and that this daring abomination WILL be punished and visited upon these arrogant, apostate people IN THIS LIFE, not just in the next life, and it will happen by a supernatural act of God. Will it be the Three Days Darkness? Or the Great Chastisement? I don’t know, but one thing I am pretty certain of, and that is that something BIG is coming, from heaven, and coming VERY soon. This nation and it’s leaders have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far this time.

 

[Nate13]

That’s not true. It’s a boycott.

Anyway, I’d never want anything to do with paying for someone else’s abortion, just because “I want to be nonviolent”. There’s a point where you have to draw the line. Those that don’t either don’t really believe what they say they believe or they are cowards.

It could only end in violence, and would push the country into chaos.

 

[Catholic1954]

How on earth could the government arrest, prosecute and imprison all 50 million of us?

The Catholic Church has approved of non-violent civil disobedience at times, for example during the Solidarity movement actions in Communist Poland, and during some Civil Rights actions in the USA in the 1950s and 1960s. Catholic priests and nuns were arrested for trespassing and disobeying police orders. In ancient Roman times, early Christians refused to obey certain Roman laws and were tortured and killed by the government.

Wouldn’t such a mass action wake up America, and shake things up. Are we going to just wait 500 years for abortion to eventually be made illegal? Considering the gravity of what abortion is, and how many are occuring every year, shouldn’t we be doing something (nonviolent) that is likely to change the status quo?

My daughter did not pay her taxes for several years; she was not prosecuted or imprisioned, the government garnished her wages and took any and all federal tax returns until the amount was paid. AND IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY, the amount almost doubled with the fines and interest tacked on. If you want to protest abortion in a non violent way, show up for a march for life this weekend. Or go pray in front of an abortion clinic, do not mess with the IRS they WILL get their money.

 

[TheTrueCentrist]

My daughter did not pay her taxes for several years; she was not prosecuted or imprisioned, the government garnished her wages and took any and all federal tax returns until the amount was paid. AND IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY, the amount almost doubled with the fines and interest tacked on. If you want to protest abortion in a non violent way, show up for a march for life this weekend. Or go pray in front of an abortion clinic, do not mess with the IRS they WILL get their money.

Probably all such a protest would do is create a bunch of extra jobs in enforcement at the IRS.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

It could only end in violence, and would push the country into chaos.

How do you know?

It’s not an act of terrorism, it’s an act of silent protest. The country will be in even more chaos if all of us join in on the sin of abortion. God will turn His face the other way.

 

[Nate13]

How do you know?

It’s not an act of terrorism, it’s an act of silent protest. The country will be in even more chaos if all of us join in on the sin of abortion. God will turn His face the other way.

That many people not paying their taxes is a threat to National Security.

 

[ringil]

How do you know?

It’s not an act of terrorism, it’s an act of silent protest. The country will be in even more chaos if all of us join in on the sin of abortion. God will turn His face the other way.

Why not try it out? Let us know how it goes?

 

[BlueEyedLady]

What if I stop paying taxes because I don’t like war? What if my neighbors stop paying because they are against public education? Do you understand why this is a bad idea. You get to vote for the leadership that you want, but you don’t get to refuse to do your part in society. Everyone has to fund things they don’t agree with, simply because we can’t have 50 million different governments. And in this country income tax is even explicitly written in the Constitution. Perhaps you need a new country?

The IRS would just garnish your wages anyway.

 

[JimG]

I like the idea of donating more to Catholic Charities rather than withholding taxes. The IRS will simply take your money or your assets eventually.

Donations to charity reduces taxable income and results in less money paid in taxes.

Of course, if huge numbers of people did that, the charitable contribution deduction would soon be on the chopping block.

Or here’s an idea: what if 50 million pro-lifers actually voted pro-life? What if every Catholic, every Evangelical, voted pro-life?

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I like the idea of donating more to Catholic Charities rather than withholding taxes. The IRS will simply take your money or your assets eventually.

Donations to charity reduces taxable income and results in less money paid in taxes.

Of course, if huge numbers of people did that, the charitable contribution deduction would soon be on the chopping block.

Or here’s an idea: what if 50 million pro-lifers actually voted pro-life? What if every Catholic, every Evangelical, voted pro-life?

Because in our 2-party system a vote against abortion is quite often a vote for war, the death penalty, against healthcare and food for the needy and for children, and often against jobs and fair wages. Its very, very hard to find a politician that you agree with on everything. And many people feel like they are torn between voting against abortion and voting for a better life for the living.

 

[nordskoven]

Christ paid taxes to the occupying Roman government that was lining the roads with crucified rebels; and Christ paid temple tax to the Romanized religious that were using the Roman calendar and so didn’t know the “time of their visitation,” the exact day (celebrated on Palm Sunday) Daniel gave for the return of Messiah. Read it and weep. Christ did it and so will I.

It is a brilliant suggestion to adopt a tax strategy for those who itemize to donate, donate, donate, even as the Clinton’s did, down to the last pair of second-hand underwear. You just make a list, take pics if you want, and submit.

How about voting? What if every Catholic voted pro-life? I suggest the government isn’t the problem per se. We have seen the enemy and he is us. The Democrat Party platform is explicitly pro-abortion, including partial birth abortion. This isn’t news. Catholics voted in our pro-abortion leaders. It’s not a “government” problem. It’s a Catholic problem. That said, the abortion rate is down. Let’s keep praying and working.

 

[Nate13]

How about voting? What if every Catholic voted pro-life?

Haha good point. If someone was able to organize 50 million pro-life voters to stop paying income taxes don’t you think they would be able to organize them to vote and get it done the easy way?

 

[Speedypizza]

Today our government, by this horribly wicked decision, quite likely blasphemed the spirit of God. You don’t EVER, not EVER, tell a religion and it’s people that they are required by Law to violate their consciences. We can be assured, as Our Lady has warned us many times, that God will NOT “sit still” for this, and that this daring abomination WILL be punished and visited upon these arrogant, apostate people IN THIS LIFE, not just in the next life, and it will happen by a supernatural act of God. Will it be the Three Days Darkness? Or the Great Chastisement? I don’t know, but one thing I am pretty certain of, and that is that something BIG is coming, from heaven, and coming VERY soon. This nation and it’s leaders have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far this time.

I can see why you get worked up over this, however your comments here are a tad over the top…

I think talking like that is going to scare more people away then it will draw to you.
I am sure God will deal with them in the next life, however what reason do you have for saying you are going to see this in THIS life? It almost sounds like you are claiming to know the will of God…

 

[Khalid]

Because in our 2-party system a vote against abortion is quite often a vote for war, the death penalty, against healthcare and food for the needy and for children, and often against jobs and fair wages. Its very, very hard to find a politician that you agree with on everything. And many people feel like they are torn between voting against abortion and voting for a better life for the living.

Amen atheist Reverendess.

Not many Catholics or Christians are pleased that I’m a traditionalist and staunch social conservative while also being a quasi-socialist (social market economy) liberal on economics. I’m automatically a Godless liberal because I support social programs and higher taxes for the rich and general repeal of all of the regressive economic strictures present at all levels of law and government. And I don’t support lack of healthcare, lack of education, lack of national security, lack of jobs, lack of the Federal Reserve, lack of social security and disability and worker’s compensation income, privatization or elimination of social security and retirement plans, and don’t support letting millions of people starve to death on the streets and become a magnet for terrorist attacks in place of possibly saving unborn children (which the President can’t do alone - he needs the Court or the Congress, and probably both) - just shifting the sin and suffering to another group at best.

 

[Speedypizza]

Amen atheist Reverendess.

Not many Catholics or Christians are pleased that I’m a traditionalist and staunch social conservative while also being a quasi-socialist (social market economy) liberal on economics. I’m automatically a Godless liberal because I support social programs and higher taxes for the rich and general repeal of all of the regressive economic strictures present at all levels of law and government. And I don’t support lack of healthcare, lack of education, lack of national security, lack of jobs, lack of the Federal Reserve, lack of social security and disability and worker’s compensation income, privatization or elimination of social security and retirement plans, and don’t support letting millions of people starve to death on the streets and become a magnet for terrorist attacks in place of possibly saving unborn children (which the President can’t do alone - he needs the Court or the Congress, and probably both) - just shifting the sin and suffering to another group at best. That’s why I won’t vote for pro-life Ron Paul (not because he’s pro-life, but because his foreign and domestic policies are absolute madness) even if I have to vote Obama to keep him from getting in.

-cue dramatic music-
-Hear the voices of angry peasants with pitchforks and torches, slowly getting louder-
-A lone man, dressed in black comes into focus on the screen, with mist behind him-
-In a deep and commanding voice-
“This man has dared to say that they do not agree with the ultra-right wingers on here, has dared to say that he can think for himself. Wost of all he has dared to say that he will decide for HIMSELF who to vote for, and not just vote Republican because somebody SAYS that he has to. Now you will see the error of his ways, as the mob finds him and (verbally) tears him limb from limb”

(Just for the record, I agree with you to a large degree, however some people on here are still under some kind of spell that tells them American=Christan=Republican and that God loves America more then any other country on earth. Every time I point out that I don’t agree with them, they become enraged and not only try to attack my position but attack me as a person and try to somehow say that I am not a REAL Catholic.)

 

[Elizabeth502]

How on earth could the government arrest, prosecute and imprison all 50 million of us?

The gov’t doesn’t need to “imprison” anyone, although certainly that’s another step/option, and is often used for prolonged & high-profile cases. The first course of action is to garnish wages, garnish Unemployment Benefits, garnish other forms of assistance, place liens on real property (homes) + personal possessions (cars), etc.

Good luck fighting the U.S. gov’t. It sometimes achieves publicity, but in the long-term it achieves ignominy and far more negativity for the taxpayer (credit reports, employment consequences, possible loss of personal freedom) than for the institution (gov’t agency).

 

[Ridgerunner]

Because in our 2-party system a vote against abortion is quite often a vote for war, the death penalty, against healthcare and food for the needy and for children, and often against jobs and fair wages. Its very, very hard to find a politician that you agree with on everything. And many people feel like they are torn between voting against abortion and voting for a better life for the living.

In 2008, a vote FOR abortion was a vote for war, against healthcare, against aid to the needy and against jobs and fair wages. It would have been neutral on the issue of capital punishment, both sides being the same on that, judging by their actions.

Now, having had the experience we have had for the last 3+ years, who can justify voting for abortion again?

That’s the real question.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I like the idea of donating more to Catholic Charities rather than withholding taxes. The IRS will simply take your money or your assets eventually.

Donations to charity reduces taxable income and results in less money paid in taxes.

Of course, if huge numbers of people did that, the charitable contribution deduction would soon be on the chopping block.

Or here’s an idea: what if 50 million pro-lifers actually voted pro-life? What if every Catholic, every Evangelical, voted pro-life?

Your last sentence is the one that has the greatest claim to conscience.

You are correct that extreme resort to charitable giving will probably result in this government cutting out the charitable deduction, at least for some. There are rumblings about that coming from the government right now.

But as an individual, I can still do it. For now, I’m well below the “rich man” radarscope. Someday this government will redefine “rich” downward to nail me too. I’m convinced of that. But so far, it hasn’t happened.

It’s just a fact that even the $200,000/year definition of “rich” will hammer a lot of people, particularly farmers and small business people, who don’t have anywhere near $200,000 in discretionary income, but whose tax returns would show, in some years, $200,000 adjustable gross income.

But whatever, just because those people hire most folks who get hired and raise the food we eat, that’s no reason not to hinder them from doing it. Right?

 

[Ridgerunner]

-cue dramatic music-
-Hear the voices of angry peasants with pitchforks and torches, slowly getting louder-
-A lone man, dressed in black comes into focus on the screen, with mist behind him-
-In a deep and commanding voice-
“This man has dared to say that they do not agree with the ultra-right wingers on here, has dared to say that he can think for himself. Wost of all he has dared to say that he will decide for HIMSELF who to vote for, and not just vote Republican because somebody SAYS that he has to. Now you will see the error of his ways, as the mob finds him and (verbally) tears him limb from limb”

(Just for the record, I agree with you to a large degree, however some people on here are still under some kind of spell that tells them American=Christan=Republican and that God loves America more then any other country on earth. Every time I point out that I don’t agree with them, they become enraged and not only try to attack my position but attack me as a person and try to somehow say that I am not a REAL Catholic.)

I, for one, don’t question that you’re a REAL Catholic. A “REAL” Catholic is one who has been baptized Catholic (sometimes not even that) From reading your post, however, it does occur to me that a little work on Christian charity wouldn’t hurt a whole lot. Do you really see people who would vote Republican just to vote against pro-abortion Obama, and who see a vote for Obama as a vote for abortion as a bunch of peasants with pitchforks striking down “the voice of reason”???

Just so you know. I am not a Repub. Never been one. Was a Dem officeholder myself. I turned away from the party precisely because of its single wedded devotion to abortion and its intolerance of those who oppose it.

But I do have beefs otherwise with the current caricature of the Party. For two years, the party had total power…total. What did it do for the poorest of the poor? Absolutely nothing. In fact, it harmed them. The middle class subsidy known as “Cash for clunkers” which gave a tax break only to those who could afford brand-new cars, also resulted in the destruction of cars upon which the poor depend for transportation. The new emphasis on “well care”, which they call “prevention” has resulted in medical organizations dropping people with chronic conditions…which the poor have (especially those with developmental disabilities) much more than do the well off. And, of course, jobs. For every high paying job Obama killed in the Gulf and with the pipeline, there are several “poor people” jobs that would have been supported by those wages. And for goodness sake, maybe some presently poor people could have had high-paying oil field jobs if Obama hadn’t stopped exploration on government land and even reduced production there by 40%. And Obama is promising to massively increase utility bills in order to reduce the “global warming” that even he admits such measures won’t impact. Gee, don’t the poor want utilities too? Of course they do. They want to be warm, to have light, to cook their food.

But he did loan a Brazilian oil company (in which George Soros has a major interest) $2 billion of government money. But I guess “poor” is relative. Soros would have been “poorer” but for the de facto subsidy. And, of course, Goldman’s millionaires have done awfully well after Obama gave money to AIG so it could pay off its guarantees to Goldman on its bad investments.

The Dem party is now nothing but the old Rockefeller Republican party in new clothes. The fit is better than one might have predicted.

 

[Luna_Lovecraft]

How on earth could the government arrest, prosecute and imprison all 50 million of us?

They would’t imprison us. They’d levy fines against us. They’d garnish our wages, SSI, and/or disability income. They’d put leins on our property. They’d put tax evasion convictions on our criminal records so that we would lose professional licenses and could cost us the employment we have now as well as limit where we could work in the future. They could make it very difficult for us to get a mortgage or apply for a loan in the future. And the list goes on and on and on.

Does the government have the resources? Of that I have little doubt: yes, it does.

Luna