What if 50 million Pro-Lifers stopped paying income taxes simultaneously?

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i wouldnt call it a civil rights issue, as this suggests citizens are being treated unfairly when compared to how other citizens are treated–the unborn arent citizens. you could say youre part of a civil rights movement though; blacks didnt have civil/equal rights during their civil rights movement.
 
i wouldnt call it a civil rights issue, as this suggests citizens are being treated unfairly when compared to how other citizens are treated–the unborn arent citizens. you could say youre part of a civil rights movement though; blacks didnt have civil/equal rights during their civil rights movement.
If the unborn aren’t citizens, and this is a civil rights issue and thus inapplicable to “non-citizens”, then why does the government seek to extend civil rights to non-citizen adults?

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

The right to life has never been a purely civil rights issue, but a right to life issue as the name totally implies. It’s not code language.

Half you people won’t even quit watching leftist hollywood programming, why on earth would you risk jail for the unborn?

I don’t pay taxes to the IRS. Fortunately for me, my situation is totally legal. If my situation changed where they told me to pay taxes, well, I’m willing to barter my time if it means I don’t send another cent to the overseer of the largest death-factory conglomerate in the Western hemisphere- the abortion industry.
 
The Bible requires us to pay our taxes. St. Paul and Jesus both spoke on it.

Keep to traditional protests and lawmaking we’ll win eventually.
 
it doesnt. civil rights are those conferred by citizenship.
False. The 14th Amendment confers basic civil rights on all persons, citizen and non-citizen, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (rather than some foreign country). These civil rights explicitly include the right to life, which can deprived only by due process of law.

Citizenship, of course, is conferred at birth.

As for the OP: 50 million is unlikely. Some math: There are approximately 300 million people in the United States, but only 100 million taxable returns are filed with the federal government, representing about 140 million people (nearly half of all returns are Married Filing Jointly or Surviving Spouse). In the general population, about 20% believe that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. This figure fluctuates slightly from year to year, dipping as low as 13% in the mid-90’s. There is good reason to believe (and no countervailing evidence) that the taxpaying population is no different from the general population on this question (that is, views on abortion do not vary significantly by income level). So, 13% of 140 million = 18.2mil people. This can be taken as our “base.” Surprisingly small numbers of people even approve of non-violent civil disobedience, especially this sort that may run afoul of Biblical propositions. Based on some polls I’ve read (but can’t find), you would be very, very luck to get 30% participation in this, and that may be too high by a factor of ten. This leaves us with an optimistic base for tax protest of 3.7mil people.

This is not small, but it is not huge, either. It is about 1% of the total U.S. population, representing almost 3% of its income tax base, or $24bil. Compare to the NASA budget ($17bil), the National Institutes of Health budget ($30bil), the annual spending on the Iraq and Afghan Wars combined (~$150bil until recently), the Obama stimulus ($800bil), or annual spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined ($1494bil).

It is important to remember that the government gets less than half its funding from income taxes – and it spends more than twice its total funding on stuff. Indeed, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid alone cost more than all the revenue the U.S. takes in from all sources each year.

So a tax protest against abortion is unlikely to be effective, even if it can be reconciled with Biblical teaching.
 
no.

mw3.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20rights

14th amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States…”
 
The Bible requires us to pay our taxes. St. Paul and Jesus both spoke on it.

Keep to traditional protests and lawmaking we’ll win eventually.
False under multiple causes of moral conscience in the CCC, particularly when juxtaposed with the related issues in abortion at large.
 
it doesnt. civil rights are those conferred by citizenship.
All human beings have human rights.

Human rights are conferred by GOD. Or did you forget the Declaration of Independence?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
 
i wouldnt call it a civil rights issue, as this suggests citizens are being treated unfairly when compared to how other citizens are treated–the unborn arent citizens. you could say youre part of a civil rights movement though; blacks didnt have civil/equal rights during their civil rights movement.
The unborn don’t have to be citizens.

We have illegal aliens, green card holders, visa holders, diplomats, and other non-citizens - all do not have citizenship BUT all do have human rights.

Including the human right to life.

We used to have laws on the books which said black people had no human rights. They were considered 3/5ths of a person. Corrected by the 14th amendment.

So yeah, this is a human rights issue. We have human beings denied their rights.
 
this is what you said:
Abortion is a civil rights issue. The government says that unborn children have no civil rights whatsoever.
now youre talking about human rights, which is not what i replied to. not a big deal. if you had said human there, i wouldnt have said anything.
 
this is what you said:

now youre talking about human rights, which is not what i replied to. not a big deal. if you had said human there, i wouldnt have said anything.
Human rights and civil rights are identical in the case of the right to life.
 
not in the case of abortion because the unborn arent citizens.
So you are saying if someone is not a citizen, people are allowed to kill them.

So you are saying we can kill illegal aliens? Green card holders? Visa holders? Diplomats from other countries?
 
no, im saying non-citizens do not have civil rights. illegal immigrants dont have civil rights either because theyre not citizens. its illegal to kill illegal immigrants, but its not because theyre citizens–theyre not citizens.
 
no, im saying non-citizens do not have civil rights. illegal immigrants dont have civil rights either because theyre not citizens. its illegal to kill illegal immigrants, but its not because theyre citizens–theyre not citizens.
I’m confused.

If non-citizens have no civil rights, and the #1 civil right is the right to life, they don’t have this civil right either.

So therefore it must be OK to kill non-citizens, using your reasoning. Since they do not have the civil right to life.
 
civil rights and other rights can overlap, but civil rights specifically refers to rights for citizens.

the dictionary will tell you:

mw3.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20rights

“the nonpolitical rights of a citizen”

google “define civil rights” and you get:

“The rights of citizens to political and social freedom and equality”
 
The NZL govt. funds abortions. When my tax comes out of my income automatically - my employer’s accountants do that, I am most likely, paying for one of the 18,500 abortions in my country. I’m also through my taxes paying for sterilisations, condoms, IUDs, pills, sex ed et cetera.

So what can I do? I can either ask my employer to pay me the barest of wages so I don’t have to pay taxes, or, I can do what I currently do - donate to pro-life agencies so its balanced out.

But I’d be mindful of just ceasing taxes, what if the homosexual lobby decided to do that, or the pro-aborts, pro-contraceptives people? It’d end up being very messy and probably causing mroe harm than good. Because really, if the govt. wants to pay for abortions, they’ll just take the money from elsewhere.
 
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Wowbagger:
False. The 14th Amendment confers basic civil rights on all persons, citizen and non-citizen, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (rather than some foreign country). These civil rights explicitly include the right to life, which can deprived only by due process of law.

Citizenship, of course, is conferred at birth.
no.

mw3.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20rights

14th amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States…”
That is the most adorable example of deliberately selective quoting I have ever seen. And I have seen some doozies, sir. If your entire movement is so intellectually dishonest, you can’t have more than twenty years of life left in you. The pro-slavery movement was resorting to such absurdities by the mid-1840s, too.

Here is the relevant section of the 14th Amendment:
…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Thanks for playing. The M-W definition is, of course, too narrow, as one would expect from a dictionary of colloqualism rather than law. Here is Duhaime’s Legal Dictionary, with a better version:
Personal rights which civilized communities undertake, by the enactment of positive laws, to prescribe, abridge, protect, and enforce.
Let us look also to LIII:
Rights are also absolute and qualified. A man has an absolute right to recover property which belongs to him; an agent has a qualified right to recover such property, when it had been entrusted to his care, and which has been unlawfully taken out of his possession.Rights might with propriety be also divided into natural and civil rights but as all the rights which man has received from nature have been modified and acquired anew from the civil law, it is more proper, when considering their object, to divide them into political and civil rights.
Political rights consist in the power to participate, directly or indirectly, in the establishment or management of government. These political rights are fixed by the constitution. Every citizen has the right of voting for public officers, and of being elected; these are the political rights which the humblest citizen possesses.
Civil rights are those which have no relation to the establishment, support, or management of the government. These consist in the power of acquiring and enjoying property, of exercising the paternal and marital powers, and the like. It will be observed that every one, unless deprived of them by a sentence of civil death, is in the enjoyment of his civil rights, which is not the case with political rights; for an alien, for example, has no political, although in the full enjoyment of his civil rights.
We see that you are correct only by the tendentious practice of marrying yourself to one bad dictionary and ignoring half the 14th Amendment.
 
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