What If An SSPX Priest Wants To Jump Ship?

[Sure]

I’m confused,…In 1988 Pope John Paul II named people, who were excommunicated:

adoremus.org/EcclesiaDei.html

Does that mean that only those mentioned in the letter were excommunicated, and therefore everyone else in the SSPX is not?

Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops he consecrated were all excommunicated because of a “schismatic act”. All the priests are suspended (per the same document) under canon law and this makes their confessions and marriages invalid and their Masses illicit. They commit a very serious mortal sin everytime they celebrate Mass since they are suspended.

A Cardinal has mentioned that they are not in “formal schism” but that they are separated. So, it seems they are in a lesser schism where they are not in union but not in “formal schism” (whatever that is).

 

[Sure]

I am no canon lawyer, but any bishop who deserved his office would get explicit permission from Rome before doing such a thing. Canon law isn’t there to provide ways in which bishops can defy the rest of the Church.

Also, a bishop cannot remove the suspension of an SSPX priest.

 

[otjm]

First: The SSPX does not say that the Novus Ordo is invalid. They say exactly what Fr. Corapi says; that it is valid when it is offered according to the liturgical books promulgated by Paul VI.

Given that the SSPX do not speak with one united voice, that is not possible to say as a blanket statement.

There is speculation in some circles that the Paul VI missal will be dumped for what will be known as the new rite of Benedict XVI.
Which will be some kind of an amalgmation of the two missals.

There is speculation all over about all sorts of things. Given that as a Cardinal he himself has said that any changes would need to be very slowly introduced, the likelyhood of that happening is about zero.

 

[otjm]

I don’t have problem with SSPX jumping out from a tug boat to a cruise ship, it is up to those clergy and lay members to do so.

SSPX priest for I know are still Roman Catholics eventhough they are not in full agreement with the current church and magisterium. The pope said they are not in schism nor excommunicated.

SSPX or any other Traditionalist whether they are in-full communion or not are orthodox or ultratradionalist in theology and liturgy because they preserved the authentic Catholic faith without modernization mixed into it.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christo
Instaurare omnia in Christo

If that is so, then there is nothinf to reconcile, no reason to not lift the excommunication of the bishops, and no need for Rome top have further talks. Given the statement offically (if you will) given by the SSPX spokesman, that is simply not the case.

 

[otjm]

Christ said that He didn’t come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them. No rules were thrown out.

They weren’t? We are still following the Torah?

Have you read much of St. Paul?

 

[otjm]

I’m confused,…In 1988 Pope John Paul II named people, who were excommunicated:

adoremus.org/EcclesiaDei.html

Does that mean that only those mentioned in the letter were excommunicated, and therefore everyone else in the SSPX is not?

Interesting post. Right in the text, John Paul calls it a schismatic act; but then some Cardinal gets up and says they are not in schism.

I guess we should all believe some Cardinal who puts a spin on things, and not the Pope.

Of course, that pope was one of the Progressives, so I guess that makes him a Modernist, and we all know they are completely wrong.

And then there is that current pope, another one of those Progressives at the Council leading everyone astray: and can you believe he actually writes about the good things of the Council, including Ecumenism?

No wonder we need the SSPX to lead us to enlightenment concerning all these Modernist heresies.

 

[Irish_High_King]

While I love the Old Rite, I don’t think that it would be wise just to accept all the SPPX priests back into the Church simply so they can say our TLMs. I mean - if they sincerely have a conversion experience and those renounce views that are dangerous (e.g. that NOMs are “blasphemous” or “invalid”) then we could accept them in, but if they don’t then they are only going to hurt the body of Christ.

Catholig

“a conversion experience”?

Please, we are not talking about Protestants here but solid Catholics. Catholics that were, before the Second Vatican Council shifted the goalposts. The SSPX are as Catholics were for centuries - it is the Church today that has departed from what was.