What if God asked you to kill your son?

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I heard this question recently, and they say that if I answer Yes, then I am crazy, and I am a religious fanatic, but if I answer No, then I don’t trust in God too much, and I couldn’t be a Christian.

How do I answer this question?
 
I heard this question recently, and they say that if I answer Yes, then I am crazy, and I am a religious fanatic, but if I answer No, then I don’t trust in God too much, and I couldn’t be a Christian.

How do I answer this question?
“Have you stopped beating your wife?” Tell the questioner it’s a loaded question.
 
“Have you stopped beating your wife?” Tell the questioner it’s a loaded question.
It’s not a loaded question at all. “Have you stopped beating your wife” is a loaded question because it assumes, a priori, that you have beaten your wife in the past. Even if you haven’t done that, you can’t answer the question truthfully with a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ without confirming the assumption that you ever had beaten your wife in the first place.

‘What if God asked you to kill your son’ is a perfectly legitimate question, given that God has asked this of people before, and that Christians profess to love, worship and obey God’s will.
 
It’s not a loaded question at all. “Have you stopped beating your wife” is a loaded question because it assumes, a priori, that you have beaten your wife in the past. Even if you haven’t done that, you can’t answer the question truthfully with a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ without confirming the assumption that you ever had beaten your wife in the first place.

‘What if God asked you to kill your son’ is a perfectly legitimate question, given that God has asked this of people before, and that Christians profess to love, worship and obey God’s will.
Why not answer, then, that you would do precisely as Abraham did --assume that God in His infinite wisdom and goodness was to be obeyed --make the preparations as Abraham did?

Because Scripture DOES have precedent --and you’ll note that Abraham’s willingness to obey God was what was righteous and he did NOT in fact kill his son.

It seems the person asking the question is presuming that God is ‘gonna kill the kid’ and the father/mother is either a nut or a monster–and of course God is too. . .

Was Abraham a nut or a monster for trusting in God?
 
Please stop me if I’m headed down a theologically un-sound path: but doesn’t God make sure He doesn’t contradict Himself?

If He told His people to not kill, wouldn’t He then make sure that He never asked His people to kill? (Not counting self-defense or just war cases, just to make clear).

If He has told His people to respect life and realize that only God has the right to take and give life, wouldn’t He guide His people accordingly?

Just some thoughts - let me know.
 
It’s not a loaded question at all. “Have you stopped beating your wife” is a loaded question because it assumes, a priori, that you have beaten your wife in the past. Even if you haven’t done that, you can’t answer the question truthfully with a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ without confirming the assumption that you ever had beaten your wife in the first place.

‘What if God asked you to kill your son’ is a perfectly legitimate question, given that God has asked this of people before, and that Christians profess to love, worship and obey God’s will.
It is a loaded question when the response to your answer is as given by the OP. Yes- zealot, No- don’t really believe. It is only a legit question when the questioner is actually open to a discussion concerning why you responded the way you did. I’ve never been asked this type of question by anyone who is actually looking for such a discussion.
 
Please stop me if I’m headed down a theologically un-sound path: but doesn’t God make sure He doesn’t contradict Himself?

If He told His people to not kill, wouldn’t He then make sure that He never asked His people to kill? (Not counting self-defense or just war cases, just to make clear).

If He has told His people to respect life and realize that only God has the right to take and give life, wouldn’t He guide His people accordingly?

Just some thoughts - let me know.
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A kingdom divided cannot stand!

Respecting life is an infallible Church teaching. I don’t believe that there is any way that God could command somebody to kill his/her son in today’s society while His divinely established Church is infallibly opposed to the very act.

Abraham’s time was 2,000 years before the Catholic Church and roughly 500 years before the 10 commandments even…
 
I heard this question recently, and they say that if I answer Yes, then I am crazy, and I am a religious fanatic, but if I answer No, then I don’t trust in God too much, and I couldn’t be a Christian.

How do I answer this question?
Provided its coming from a respectful discussion, I see no reason to shy away from this question. In life we are constantly faced with the possibility of calamities that will test our faith.

My response: assuming that I can be sure it’s God’s voice, God would not intend for me to do what he has forbidden.
 
It is a loaded question when the response to your answer is as given by the OP. Yes- zealot, No- don’t really believe. It is only a legit question when the questioner is actually open to a discussion concerning why you responded the way you did. I’ve never been asked this type of question by anyone who is actually looking for such a discussion.
If the fact of your truthful answer can only paint you as either a zealot or an unbeliever, then that’s just the box your faith puts you in. That you’re not comfortable copping to either one of those verdicts is not the fault of the question you’re being asked. Maybe once upon a time, it would’ve been seen as perfectly reasonable to admit that you’d plan to murder your child, just as Abraham was prepared to. That you’re no longer willing to admit to something like that doesn’t make the question loaded. It’s simply your own good sense peaking out and reminding you that some behavior is sickening and immoral. There are many tenents of the Christian and Catholic faith that are simply irrational to believe, yet you wouldn’t hide from them under a direct question, because nobody would consider calling you an evil zealot for believing them. Murdering your kids isn’t in that category anymore.
Tantum ergo:
Why not answer, then, that you would do precisely as Abraham did --assume that God in His infinite wisdom and goodness was to be obeyed --make the preparations as Abraham did?
You can certainly do that. Of course, there are pieces of the puzzle you’re leaving out. For starters, God’s command was obviously a coercive act. Ask yourself what would’ve happened if Abraham had refused to what God wanted of him. Additionally, the OT is rife with examples of God killing people, or ordering that they be killed. So it’s not much of a point in God’s favor that he called Abraham off at the last moment. Had that not happened, and Abraham sacrificed his son, it occurs to me that the moral lesson of the story would be precisely the same.
 
I heard this question recently, and they say that if I answer Yes, then I am crazy, and I am a religious fanatic, but if I answer No, then I don’t trust in God too much, and I couldn’t be a Christian.

How do I answer this question?
You say:

*I wonder why people who aren’t Christians think they can define what makes a person a Christian? *

Fact is: no one knows the answer to what they do when God calls until it happens. Atheists have been known to convert in mere seconds.

A life of Faith is not a hypothetical.
 
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A kingdom divided cannot stand!

Respecting life is an infallible Church teaching. I don’t believe that there is any way that God could command somebody to kill his/her son in today’s society while His divinely established Church is infallibly opposed to the very act.

Abraham’s time was 2,000 years before the Catholic Church and roughly 500 years before the 10 commandments even…
Right, and who is to say that it is actually God speaking? We are told to test the spirits, because I feel that with faith and understanding of God, where it is now in the life of earth, that God wouldn’t test us like that. If “God” told me to kill my son, I would have doubts that it is actually God telling me to do so because I feel He has no reason to do so now-a-days. In the time of Abraham, belief in the one true God was all about lost, so God needed to reestablish the trust and belief in Him. He needed to build faith in Him from the ground up because the world was full of paganistic beliefs at the time. Now that it is no longer the case, God would have no reason to test us as such, and therefore it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for it to be God telling me to kill my son. So, I would pray that it wasn’t actually God and choose not to kill my son because I do not believe God would want me to. And thus, I wouldn’t be labeled “crazy”, but my trust and belief in God would be in tact.

If you extend the question after my answer to say, “but what if it really was God?” I would say that it is an improbable, if not impossible, hypothetical, and therefore, there is no reason to respond to such a question.
 
It’s not a loaded question at all. “Have you stopped beating your wife” is a loaded question because it assumes, a priori, that you have beaten your wife in the past. Even if you haven’t done that, you can’t answer the question truthfully with a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ without confirming the assumption that you ever had beaten your wife in the first place.

‘What if God asked you to kill your son’ is a perfectly legitimate question, given that God has asked this of people before, and that Christians profess to love, worship and obey God’s will.
If the only acceptable answers are “yes” or “no” and either answer leads to an accusation that discredits the speaker, then yes, it is a loaded question.

Edit: As to the claim that God might do this today because He did in the time of Abraham:
At that time human sacrifice was an established custom, something to be expected. Abraham would have grieved, but he would not have been shocked or accused God of barbarism. That is no longer true. The age of blood sacrifices is long past.
We have no reason to think God would make such a demand today, and plenty of reason to believe He would not.
 
If the fact of your truthful answer can only paint you as either a zealot or an unbeliever, then that’s just the box your faith puts you in. That you’re not comfortable copping to either one of those verdicts is not the fault of the question you’re being asked. Maybe once upon a time, it would’ve been seen as perfectly reasonable to admit that you’d plan to murder your child, just as Abraham was prepared to. That you’re no longer willing to admit to something like that doesn’t make the question loaded. It’s simply your own good sense peaking out and reminding you that some behavior is sickening and immoral. There are many tenents of the Christian and Catholic faith that are simply irrational to believe, yet you wouldn’t hide from them under a direct question, because nobody would consider calling you an evil zealot for believing them. Murdering your kids isn’t in that category anymore.

You can certainly do that. Of course, there are pieces of the puzzle you’re leaving out. For starters, God’s command was obviously a coercive act. Ask yourself what would’ve happened if Abraham had refused to what God wanted of him. Additionally, the OT is rife with examples of God killing people, or ordering that they be killed. So it’s not much of a point in God’s favor that he called Abraham off at the last moment. Had that not happened, and Abraham sacrificed his son, it occurs to me that the moral lesson of the story would be precisely the same.
Your comment only works if we ignore the fact that murder and killing are two different items (yes even under our amoral judicial system they are different) and if we start off with the assumption that what God commanded of Abraham was murder.

Let’s go with your implied definition that killing and murder are the same and that murder/killing is always immoral. If you came across Abraham and Isaac, would you murder Abraham in order to save Isaac? Answer yes- you’re an immoral person, answer no- you’re an immoral person because you let a murder take place. It’s a loaded question.
 
If the fact of your truthful answer can only paint you as either a zealot or an unbeliever, then that’s just the box your faith puts you in.
So if the fact of your truthful answer can only paint you as a wife-beater, that’s just the box your marriage vows put you in.
That you’re not comfortable copping to either one of those verdicts is not the fault of the question you’re being asked.
It is the fault of the question.
The question makes the false assumption that God would make that demand.
The question ignores the difference between Abraham’s situation and that of modern Christians.
The question poses a false dilemma intended to trap the Christian being confronted with it.
Maybe once upon a time, it would’ve been seen as perfectly reasonable to admit that you’d plan to murder your child, just as Abraham was prepared to. That you’re no longer willing to admit to something like that doesn’t make the question loaded. It’s simply your own good sense peaking out and reminding you that some behavior is sickening and immoral.
Or: it’s the fact that God has now commanded us - as He had not yet done in Abraham’s time - “You shall not commit murder”.
Maybe it’s our faith telling us that God would not give such a command to a modern Christian.
There are many tenents of the Christian and Catholic faith that are simply irrational to believe,
You’re entitled to your opinion.
yet you wouldn’t hide from them under a direct question, because nobody would consider calling you an evil zealot for believing them.
Calling out a trap as a trap is in no way hiding from anything.
Murdering your kids isn’t in that category anymore.
Murdering your kids was never right. I remind you that God in fact rescued Isaac at the last moment.
You can certainly do that. Of course, there are pieces of the puzzle you’re leaving out. For starters, God’s command was obviously a coercive act. Ask yourself what would’ve happened if Abraham had refused to what God wanted of him.
I don’t know, Giants. What would have happened if Abraham had refused God’s command?
Additionally, the OT is rife with examples of God killing people, or ordering that they be killed.
He’s God. He has the right to pronounce sentence of death.

(Yes, I do know what I just said.)
So it’s not much of a point in God’s favor that he called Abraham off at the last moment. Had that not happened, and Abraham sacrificed his son, it occurs to me that the moral lesson of the story would be precisely the same.
What would the moral lesson of the story be, Giants? I’m curious to know what you think about this.
 
Yes, this is a loaded question. Such loaded questions were set upon Jesus. He had an answer for them. Remember “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s.” and in heaven the wife of all seven brothers will not be given in marriage to any of them.

Is it inconsistent for God to order the death of women and children and also say “thou shall not kill”? No, for his laws are for us, not him (He is a lot more than a President that must live under the law). He knows the heart of every person from conception to death even if not killed. He can make this judgement not us.

Abraham had a long experience with God. If I had that long and confirmed experience that included the ritual covenant of splitting bulls then I hope I would have the faith that he showed. He who has more shown to him seems to have to pass tougher tests. Remember, Moses hit the rock twice with the staff and that was doubt enough to not enter the promised land.
 
Forgive them God for they dont know what they say…
Look people, lets have a reality check where the US kills and mutilates on average 3,ooo children daily, and God Tells US to not kill…
Asking this ignorant of a question, proves their is a Hell, and if we commit a sin and dont find compunction in doing so, you really shouldnt have an expectation of going to Heaven,
but point blank face a reality of reasoning your going to Hell…

the better question to ask all, if murder sends you to Hell, arent all that suport or condon, or dont stand against abortion seeking Hell?
 
I’d tell him no and in no uncertain terms let him know what I thought of his demand and then forbid him from ever coming near to me or speaking to me again…for eternity.
 
If the only acceptable answers are “yes” or “no” and either answer leads to an accusation that discredits the speaker, then yes, it is a loaded question.

Edit: As to the claim that God might do this today because He did in the time of Abraham:
At that time human sacrifice was an established custom, something to be expected. Abraham would have grieved, but he would not have been shocked or accused God of barbarism. That is no longer true. The age of blood sacrifices is long past.
We have no reason to think God would make such a demand today, and plenty of reason to believe He would not.
I’m sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument. God creates the moral code by which we’re to abide. He created the Universe humanity has lived in all this time, but yet, he is somehow bound by the barbarous moral deficits of early societies, pre-Moses and the Ten Commandments. But this doesn’t apparently contradict the fact that God’s moral code is absolute and/or objective and/or unchangable.

And re: the loaded question issue - why is answering either ‘yes’ or ‘no’ likely to discredit someone? Is it because the question itself is inherently unfair and leading (‘Have you stopped beating your wife yet?’), or is it because your faith paints you into a corner to the point that even a fair question can’t be answered in a way that makes one look good. It isn’t enough argue the question is loaded because there’s no good answer. Why is there no good answer?
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oldcatholicguy:
Let’s go with your implied definition that killing and murder are the same and that murder/killing is always immoral. If you came across Abraham and Isaac, would you murder Abraham in order to save Isaac? Answer yes- you’re an immoral person, answer no- you’re an immoral person because you let a murder take place. It’s a loaded question.
Killing people and murdering people are the same. It’s the circular logic of the faithful that pretends otherwise. Murdering someone is immoral. Killing someone is not. How do we know when it’s murder and when it’s killing? Well, if you immorally kill someone, that’s murder. Otherwise, say, if God orders you to do it, then it’s just killing. See the difference?

And I don’t think it’s always an immoral act. For example, if I saw a man about murder his child, I’d intervene. And if it meant I’d have to kill the guy to prevent him from committing his atrocity, I’d do it. In a categorical sense, I don’t consider that immoral. Somebody is going to die, regardless. Are we better off if the guy who lives is someone who’s demonstrated a willingness to kill an innocent person because they think their God told them to?

Also, I should point out to everyone trying to play the “God would never order anyone to kill their child” card is simply ducking the question. For the sake of hypothetical, we’re stipulating that God has asked you to do this. If you really thought that God would never do this, you’d have no problem answering the question either way.

Let’s say I believed in some sort of non-denominational, personal God, and you put the question to me. The specific answer I give is irrelevant - I might as well flip a coin. But let’s say I say no. Why is this not a problem for me? Because my God doesn’t have the track record to suggest that he would ask this of anyone (unlike the Christian God). And further, my God does not punish willful disobediance of His Will. Your God does. So the same question put to you is much more problematic. But again, not the fault of the question. That’s the fault of your faith that insists on playing both sides of the board.
 
don’t think he would do it but hopefully I would have to courage to do it.
 
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