I get that the divisions are deeper, but I do not know why you do not want us to pray for help from the Holy Spirit. But you know, in my twenty years as a Catholic, I have never really actually heard that song. Is it really a thing?Anyway the divisions are deeper than just which mass is celebrated. Pretending it doesn’t exist and telling everyone to sing Kumbaya won’t make it go away.
I can certainly see why groups like the FSSP are formed, but EF Mass-only parishes or chapels? No. That’s divisive.Why? Why not? And as I pointed out, there are good reasons for it.
Exactly how many bishops encourage and facilitate “EF Mass Only” parishes? As I said I understand the charism of groups like the FSSP. That’s en entirely different thing. But to actually create a “EF Mass Only” parish within a diocese using diocesan priests? That’s extremely divisive.I see. So let’s forget the people in the pews for a moment. Is the priest encouraging division as well? The local Bishop?
I never said you shouldn’t… In fact I don’t even know how you could have gotten that idea.but I do not know why you do not want us to pray for help from the Holy Spirit.
Seems to me this probably happens quite often.Just imagine for a moment if a group of faithful asked for an EF Mass to be instituted at an existing parish and were told "I’m sorry, that’s an “OF Mass Only” parish.
You thought the song Kum Ba Yah was inappropriate even though it is a prayer for the Holy Spirit to come. I have never used that one, but I have used Veni Sancte Spiritus.I never said you shouldn’t… In fact I don’t even know how you could have gotten that idea.
Any proof? I cannot imagine a pastor or a bishop saying “I’m sorry, but this parish church is an OF Mass-only facility.” That just wouldn’t happen. What I’m sure does happen is that 12 people ask that an EF Mass be instituted at a given parish and the pastor declines because he’s already celebrating 3 Masses each Sunday, each with over 200 attendees and there’s simply no other priestly resources available.Seems to me this probably happens quite often.
Trite things are irreverant. Clown mass has a sacrifice too, but it’s still irreverent. As a campfire song, wonderful great awesome, sing your stupid Kumbaya. As a communion song? It’s irreverent.For something “bad” it sure has become a bit of Americana. I have never heard it described as irreverent though. That is a first. My primary reason for ignoring it is that it is trite, and it has been turned by the ignorant into some sort of insult.
Are you being serious? You feel not celebrating an EF Mass because there are no priestly resources available is the same as not doing so because a specific parish has been deemed an “OF Mass-Only” parish?Which is effectively the same thing because either way, the desire for a Latin mass is being unmet.
Well, I guess you have an opinion, like everyone else.Clown mass has a sacrifice too, but it’s still irreverent. As a campfire song, wonderful great awesome, sing your stupid Kumbaya.
That’s my question. I think it would be ridiculous to break-up the Western Church into individual sui juris churches based on different forms of the Mass, but I’m wondering if that’s what some “traditional Catholics” actually desire?Why could not there be two western Catholic churches, one EF and the other OF, to make up the western churches just as there are about 23 churches which make up the eastern Catholic churches?
Some SSPX people want to remain separate from the present Catholic Church, while others want to restore the Church to how it was before 1960.That’s my question. I think it would be ridiculous to break-up the Western Church into individual sui juris churches based on different forms of the Mass, but I’m wondering if that’s what some “traditional Catholics” actually desire?
So?Some SSPX people want to remain separate from the present Catholic Church, while others want to restore the Church to how it was before 1960.