What if the Church did this in response to the same-sex "marriage" debate?

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As the state adopts the doctrine of demons called “same-sex marriage”, what if the Church began to always call marriage between a man and a woman either “sacramental marriage” or “natural marriage” instead of just “marriage” to distinguish marriage as it was in the beginning from newly invented artificial concepts of “marriage”?
 
As the state adopts the doctrine of demons called “same-sex marriage”, what if the Church began to always call marriage between a man and a woman either “sacramental marriage” or “natural marriage” instead of just “marriage” to distinguish marriage as it was in the beginning from newly invented artificial concepts of “marriage”?
It wouldn’t matter to me. Granted, I’m not gay, but I doubt many gay folk would care. The issue, now as always, is what the government recognizes as marriage. What the Church does or doesn’t consider to be marriage is beside the point.
 
It wouldn’t matter to me. Granted, I’m not gay, but I doubt many gay folk would care. The issue, now as always, is what the government recognizes as marriage. What the Church does or doesn’t consider to be marriage is beside the point.
If they only care what the government thinks, why do they sue Christians for not going along with them on the idea? It obviously has an impact on everyone including parents whose children will be taught in school that their parents are bigots for not believing in same-sex “marriage”.
 
If they only care what the government thinks, why do they sue Christians for not going along with them on the idea? It obviously has an impact on everyone including parents whose children will be taught in school that their parents are bigots for not believing in same-sex “marriage”.
Who is suing what Christians?
 
Who is suing what Christians?
If you’re in Canada, pastors/priests can be legally prosecuted for refusing to “marry” homosexuals:

m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/saskatchewan-says-marriage-commissioners-must-wed-same-sex-couples/article1874896/?service=mobile

As for the topic: No, I don’t believe changing a name will solve the problem. The point of “gay marriage” is to marginalize and destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage. If a name change to traditional marriage ever picked up popularity it would only be a matter of time until there was legal pressure to start attaching the same title to homosexual unions.

The only way to fight satan is head on!
 
I guess I don’t see the point one way or another. If they want to I guess, but what difference would it make? Everyone already knows what priests mean by marriage, so whatever.
 
If you’re in Canada, pastors/priests can be legally prosecuted for refusing to “marry” homosexuals:

m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/saskatchewan-says-marriage-commissioners-must-wed-same-sex-couples/article1874896/?service=mobile
This article says that marriage commissioners, appointed by a government that recognizes SSMs, are not allowed to deny SSCs the right to marry on the basis of their religious convictions. It doesn’t say that priests or pastors can be legally prosecuted for refusing to marry homosexuals. The one guy that got fined $2,500 (and kept his job) was only identified as a devout Baptist.
 
If you’re in Canada, pastors/priests can be legally prosecuted for refusing to “marry” homosexuals:

m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/saskatchewan-says-marriage-commissioners-must-wed-same-sex-couples/article1874896/?service=mobile

As for the topic: No, I don’t believe changing a name will solve the problem. The point of “gay marriage” is to marginalize and destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage. If a name change to traditional marriage ever picked up popularity it would only be a matter of time until there was legal pressure to start attaching the same title to homosexual unions.

The only way to fight satan is head on!
Precisely. This isn’t the time to cave into pressure even though we are probably all feeling battle fatigue over this issue. I’ll speak for myself; I definitely feel it. :ouch: But those who are trying to wear us down will know they’re succeeding if we start trying to find little compromises here and there. Slippery slope, you know.
 
If you’re in Canada, pastors/priests can be legally prosecuted for refusing to “marry” homosexuals:

m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/saskatchewan-says-marriage-commissioners-must-wed-same-sex-couples/article1874896/?service=mobile

As for the topic: No, I don’t believe changing a name will solve the problem. The point of “gay marriage” is to marginalize and destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage. If a name change to traditional marriage ever picked up popularity it would only be a matter of time until there was legal pressure to start attaching the same title to homosexual unions.

The only way to fight satan is head on!
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Precisely. This isn’t the time to cave into pressure even though we are probably all feeling battle fatigue over this issue. I’ll speak for myself; I definitely feel it. :ouch: But those who are trying to wear us down will know they’re succeeding if we start trying to find little compromises here and there. Slippery slope, you know.
I think you are right. I guess I was expressing the battle fatigue with this idea. As MidnightSun12 said, “The only way to fight satan is head on!”.
 
If you’re in Canada, pastors/priests can be legally prosecuted for refusing to “marry” homosexuals:

m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/saskatchewan-says-marriage-commissioners-must-wed-same-sex-couples/article1874896/?service=mobile

As for the topic: No, I don’t believe changing a name will solve the problem. The point of “gay marriage” is to marginalize and destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage. If a name change to traditional marriage ever picked up popularity it would only be a matter of time until there was legal pressure to start attaching the same title to homosexual unions.

The only way to fight satan is head on!
Gay marriage has been legal for the vast majority of Canadians since 2004, and legal for all Canadians since 2005. Can you point out any evidence of destruction of any traditional marriages, which has resulted from that?

You made a bold claim. Please back it up with some facts.
 
Gay marriage has been legal for the vast majority of Canadians since 2004, and legal for all Canadians since 2005. Can you point out any evidence of destruction of any traditional marriages, which has resulted from that?

You made a bold claim. Please back it up with some facts.
I don’t favor gay marriage. But I see such language, and the Pope’s, predicted the doom of civilization to be overwrought.
 
Gay marriage has been legal for the vast majority of Canadians since 2004, and legal for all Canadians since 2005. Can you point out any evidence of destruction of any traditional marriages, which has resulted from that?

You made a bold claim. Please back it up with some facts.
With all the generations that have come and gone since 2004 there should be plenty of data to go on. :rolleyes:
 
As for the topic: No, I don’t believe changing a name will solve the problem. The point of “gay marriage” is to marginalize and destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage. If a name change to traditional marriage ever picked up popularity it would only be a matter of time until there was legal pressure to start attaching the same title to homosexual unions.
I… I don’t think it is… :confused:

It’s hard to respond to claims like this, namely because they’re baseless conspiracy theories which are not only absurd, but also show extreme examples of generalisation. I think to claim that is the motivation behind homosexual unions is, well, just silly.

I have heard homosexuals claim that they feel they are entitled to the same unions as heterosexuals on the grounds that they are some kind of basic human rights and that (basically) they feel left out without the ability to get married, but never anything to suggest that they want to undermine traditional marriage. For the record, I don’t agree with the homosexuals that claim not being entitled to same-sex marriage is a breach of human rights.

Also, a few examples of homosexuals suing doesn’t really mean anything. I can give examples of Baptists wanting homosexuals to be put to death, but that doesn’t mean that Baptists as a whole want homosexuals to receive the death penalty.
 
Also, a few examples of homosexuals suing doesn’t really mean anything. I can give examples of Baptists wanting homosexuals to be put to death, but that doesn’t mean that Baptists as a whole want homosexuals to receive the death penalty.
You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no threat that courts will rule in favor of putting homosexuals to death. But there is a very real threat to Christians of being sued for not going along with so-called same-sex “marriage” and the courts ruling against them. Those of us who disagree with so-called “same-sex marriage” are increasingly vilified by the propaganda in the mainstream media, and I believe that it won’t be long until this vilification leads to violence against Christians.
 
You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no threat that courts will rule in favor of putting homosexuals to death. But there is a very real threat to Christians of being sued for not going along with so-called same-sex “marriage” and the courts ruling against them. Those of us who disagree with so-called “same-sex marriage” are increasingly vilified by the propaganda in the mainstream media, and I believe that it won’t be long until this vilification leads to violence against Christians.
You misunderstood my point. The poster I was replying to was trying to argue that homosexuals want all people to unconditionally accept homosexuality as some homosexuals are suing people who won’t let them marry. This is, of course, nonsense and a logical fallacy. I could give examples of baptists that want homosexuals to be put to death. That doesn’t mean all baptists want homosexuals to be put to death. Understand?

Oh, and there could be a threat to homosexuals if the religious right were running the more successful political agenda. I’m sure they’d at least end up in prison somewhere along the lines. I kind of feel it can only go one way or the other. Either way, someone’s going to be unhappy.
 
This article says that marriage commissioners, appointed by a government that recognizes SSMs, are not allowed to deny SSCs the right to marry on the basis of their religious convictions. It doesn’t say that priests or pastors can be legally prosecuted for refusing to marry homosexuals. The one guy that got fined $2,500 (and kept his job) was only identified as a devout Baptist.
If only the persecution was limited to marriage “commissioners”…

lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/mar/05033001
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Gay marriage has been legal for the vast majority of Canadians since 2004, and legal for all Canadians since 2005. Can you point out any evidence of destruction of any traditional marriages, which has resulted from that?

You made a bold claim. Please back it up with some facts.
This is a fact:

Infallible Church teaching recognizes that all homosexual acts are gravely disordered and contrary to God’s will. Therefore, to attach the name marriage to such acts violates God’ will and attacks the sanctity of the insitution that Christ had elevated to the level of a holy sacrament.
 
This is a fact:

Infallible Church teaching recognizes that all homosexual acts are gravely disordered and contrary to God’s will. Therefore, to attach the name marriage to such acts violates God’ will and attacks the sanctity of the insitution that Christ had elevated to the level of a holy sacrament.
If this were truly the reason the Church opposed same-sex marriages, then they would support same-sex civil unions, as they do not share the name of the sacrament. But they do not. Ergo, your reason for their opposition must be mistaken.
 
If this were truly the reason the Church opposed same-sex marriages, then they would support same-sex civil unions, as they do not share the name of the sacrament. But they do not. Ergo, your reason for their opposition must be mistaken.
Same-sex “civil unions” are still a mortal sin and therefore are also unacceptable to the Catholic Church since, like so-called same-sex “marriage”, it’s strongly implied that it is an actively homosexual relationship.
 
You misunderstood my point. The poster I was replying to was trying to argue that homosexuals want all people to unconditionally accept homosexuality as some homosexuals are suing people who won’t let them marry. This is, of course, nonsense and a logical fallacy. I could give examples of baptists that want homosexuals to be put to death. That doesn’t mean all baptists want homosexuals to be put to death. Understand?

Oh, and there could be a threat to homosexuals if the religious right were running the more successful political agenda. I’m sure they’d at least end up in prison somewhere along the lines. I kind of feel it can only go one way or the other. Either way, someone’s going to be unhappy.
There is definitely a movement to coerce individuals who do not agree with same sex marriage to be forced to comply despite holding a legitimate contrary moral position. A petition has been started on the petitions.whitehouse.gov site to brand the Catholic Church as a hate group because of its stand on marriage.

This prompted another group to begin a petition to counter the first one.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=40260
 
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