What if three or more homosexuals wanted the state to call the sexual relationship they have "marriage"?

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Or since a “bisexual” is attracted to both sexes, what if he or she wanted to “marry” one of each at the same time? This would seem like the next step. What would stop them besides a law that we now know can change with enough financial and propaganda support?
 
It is only a matter of time before you see a bisexual put forward a case to the court that because their sexual orientation means they are attracted to both genders that they should have the right to marry somebody of both genders and have a polygamous marriage. Once you base marriage on romantic love where do you draw the line as to how many people should be able to get married or what gender they should be?

300 ‘LGBT and allied’ advocates have called for legal status for relationships which have more than two people:

beyondmarriage.org/full_statement.html

Civil unions are legal for three people in the Netherlands and Brazil, which can be polygamous and a Dutch campaigner for gay marriage says that polygamous marriage is the ‘next logical step’
 
Won’t happen.

For no other reason than marriage legislation conveys inheritance rights, end of life next-of-kin rights and rights to Social Security which could not be codified if there were more than two partners.
 
Won’t happen.

For no other reason than marriage legislation conveys inheritance rights, end of life next-of-kin rights and rights to Social Security which could not be codified if there were more than two partners.
Balderdash. Living wills and trusts don’t exist with more than two people? If we throw definitions of marriage out of the window, and base it on “love” without regard to sex, gender, sexual identity, etc, why hang on to such Victorian notions as “two”?

There is no compelling state interest to deny it.
 
In the last few months I have come to fear that anything is possible, although I do think that there would be less public support initially for polygamous marriages. Who knows though, I would have bet my life that Rob Portman would never have had a change of heart.
 
Balderdash. Living wills and trusts don’t exist with more than two people? If we throw definitions of marriage out of the window, and base it on “love” without regard to sex, gender, sexual identity, etc, why hang on to such Victorian notions as “two”?

There is no compelling state interest to deny it.
The State provides benefits, pensions and social security based often on marital status. It would not be able to do that if the numbers involved in a marital arrangement exceeded two. For that reason, no country would enact legislation that enabled matrimony between three or more people.

And as for the Netherlands example, that’s not matrimony, it’s a civil union and I tend towards the belief that the example given was taking an advantage of an unforeseen loophole in the law rather than a deliberately permitted situation.
 
. . . I think it’s politically naive to think this won’t be happening very soon.

In fact, three college classmates of mine married each all other. Perhaps not legally, but they invented some mechanism that they’re fine with.

I think the concept of marriage is going to be thundered over, driven over, plowed into, pulled and pushed in all directions. . . if just “loving” someone is all there is to it.

OUR problem is not standing up firmly against the organized homosexual activist organizations and replying well and firmly to their nonsense.
 
Another thought. If the state recognizes same-sex “marriage” it would be hypocritical for them to deny incestuous relationship since for heterosexuals the state now expects that couples would contracept and get abortions for any unwanted child, and homosexuals can’t procreate. There’s no argument that the state would have against it other than a law that is just waiting to be changed. “Marriage equality” would have to include everyone’s idea of marriage for it not to be hypocritical. I also don’t see it as a stretch to one day see some of the more extreme animal rights activists arguing for bestiality to be included as “marriage equality”. All they have to do is frame it as “are you for or against marriage equality for loving your animal?”
 
Won’t happen.

For no other reason than marriage legislation conveys inheritance rights, end of life next-of-kin rights and rights to Social Security which could not be codified if there were more than two partners.
The government has already dealt with those issues in cases of serial marriages. There is not reason it can’t be modified to reflect more than one spouse at a time.
 
Honestly, I think this is just another totally inflated scare story.

I mean, can you imagine the knots the law would tie itself in to enable divorce in such a situation?

A, B and C get hitched in a tri-amorous relationship. B wants a divorce from A. Does that then mean B needs to divorce C as well or would A remain hitched to C and C to B but B not to A?

What then if you introduced D, E and F?

The law simply couldn’t accommodate that, and I don’t think anyone truly expects that it will be asked to, except by a few cranks and those who wish to cause controversy but don’t actually expect it to happen.

It’s really not worth debating. There are bigger and more important things in the world to worry about and occupy our time with: namely disease, poverty, war, famine etc. Those are far bigger threats to the human race than a non existent fiction such as this.
 
The State provides benefits, pensions and social security based often on marital status. It would not be able to do that if the numbers involved in a marital arrangement exceeded two. For that reason, no country would enact legislation that enabled matrimony between three or more people.

And as for the Netherlands example, that’s not matrimony, it’s a civil union and I tend towards the belief that the example given was taking an advantage of an unforeseen loophole in the law rather than a deliberately permitted situation.
I think I agree with Oliver Reed…ummm Scipio.

Regardless of what the State provides married couples, if a legal precedent is established in widening the definition of marriage under law, there is no legal or logical reason why this precedent cannot be taken to its conclusion. Of course, the State could attempt to block such a move because of the cost, but they could never openly say this, knowing the anger it would cause.

A case could definitely be made for reworking State law regarding social security, inheritance, etc. to fit polygamous marriages. Since polygamous marriages have been known throughout history and are still around today, this is a viable option for bi-sexual people.
 
Honestly, I think this is just another totally inflated scare story.

I mean, can you imagine the knots the law would tie itself in to enable divorce in such a situation?

A, B and C get hitched in a tri-amorous relationship. B wants a divorce from A. Does that then mean B needs to divorce C as well or would A remain hitched to C and C to B but B not to A?

What then if you introduced D, E and F?

The law simply couldn’t accommodate that, and I don’t think anyone truly expects that it will be asked to, except by a few cranks and those who wish to cause controversy but don’t actually expect it to happen.

It’s really not worth debating. There are bigger and more important things in the world to worry about and occupy our time with: namely disease, poverty, war, famine etc. Those are far bigger threats to the human race than a non existent fiction such as this.
I can understand your sentiments, Dex, but to be honest, anything seems possible these days. I mean, one hundred years ago, who would have thought that no-fault divorce laws such as they are now would be enacted? Seventy years ago, who would have thought that about abortion? Fifty years ago, who would have thought that about same-sex civil unions? Twenty-five years ago, who would have thought that about same-sex marriage? The truth is, though it seems ludicrous, if we aren’t awake to the possible threats - now that there are so many - and take steps to defend against them, they’ll creep up on us.

And anyway, this is happening now. Look at all the legal knots around paternity issues due to IVF, surrogacy, etc. Does that stop it happening? No. Why should legal issues like this stop anyone. If anything, it’ll probably prompt it - lawyers and authors of legal policy and legislation stand to make a packet for all the work that’s involved in the changes, and when have you ever known anyone in the legal profession to let truth stand in the way of money? 😉
 
I can understand your sentiments, Dex, but to be honest, anything seems possible these days. I mean, one hundred years ago, who would have thought that no-fault divorce laws such as they are now would be enacted? Seventy years ago, who would have thought that about abortion? Fifty years ago, who would have thought that about same-sex civil unions? Twenty-five years ago, who would have thought that about same-sex marriage? The truth is, though it seems ludicrous, if we aren’t awake to the possible threats - now that there are so many - and take steps to defend against them, they’ll creep up on us.

And anyway, this is happening now. Look at all the legal knots around paternity issues due to IVF, surrogacy, etc. Does that stop it happening? No. Why should legal issues like this stop anyone. If anything, it’ll probably prompt it - lawyers and authors of legal policy and legislation stand to make a packet for all the work that’s involved in the changes, and when have you ever known anyone in the legal profession to let truth stand in the way of money? 😉
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Or since a “bisexual” is attracted to both sexes, what if he or she wanted to “marry” one of each at the same time? This would seem like the next step. What would stop them besides a law that we now know can change with enough financial and propaganda support?
Forgive me, but so what? If three people want to live together and tell everyone that they’re married, what difference does it make what the state says. I’m not trying to dismiss your point, I’m trying to understand it.
 
Forgive me, but so what? If three people want to live together and tell everyone that they’re married,** what difference does it make what the state says**. I’m not trying to dismiss your point, I’m trying to understand it.
It makes a difference what the state says is marriage because public schools will use the law as justification for teaching young children the state’s definition of marriage even against the will of parents, and people who disagree with it will be called bigots, be sued, lose their job or business, or be put in jail for not going along with it. This is already happening.
 
It makes a difference what the state says is marriage because public schools will use the law as justification for teaching young children the state’s definition of marriage even against the will of parents, and people who disagree with it will be sued, lose their job or business, or be put in jail for not going along with it. This is already happening.
Oh please… people are not being put in jail for ‘not going along with it’.
 
Oh please… people are not being put in jail for ‘not going along with it’.
Sorry, but you are wrong. A father in Massachusetts was arrested for wanting to opt out his child from a day when his child’s Kindergarten class was going to teach the children about “gay marriage”. The public school district used the law which allowed for so-called “same-sex marriage” as their justification for teaching it to the Kindergarten children. When something becomes the law people who don’t go along become known as “lawbreakers”.
 
Sorry, but you are wrong. A father in Massachusetts was arrested for wanting to opt out his child from a day when his child’s Kindergarten class was going to teach the children about “gay marriage”. The public school district used the law which allowed for so-called “same-sex marriage” as their justification for teaching it to the Kindergarten children. When something becomes the law people who don’t go along become known as “lawbreakers”.
You’re going to have to provide proof of that. And an arrest does not equate to jailing in any case. And I would have a hard time believing that such an arrest was actually lawful.

People routinely get improperly arrested for all sorts of things, but we don’t generally turn it into a massive conspiracy or scandal. We would normally sue the arresting authority for violating constitutional rights.
 
He was apparently arrested for not leaving the property (school) when told repeatedly to do so, and no, he didn’t get a gaol sentence.

This kind of stuff is not likely to happen in our life time, but is very possible within a couple of generations, once the climate changes. Now that abortion is politically and socially acceptable, anyone who opposes it loud enough will be locked up (if there is any legal charge on which they can be had); this would have be undreamt of a few decades ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happens regarding public speech against homosexuality, eventually anyway.
 
He was apparently arrested for not leaving the property (school) when told repeatedly to do so, and no, he didn’t get a gaol sentence.

This kind of stuff is not likely to happen in our life time, but is very possible within a couple of generations, once the climate changes. Now that abortion is politically and socially acceptable, anyone who opposes it loud enough will be locked up (if there is any legal charge on which they can be had); this would have be undreamt of a few decades ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happens regarding public speech against homosexuality, eventually anyway.
Given how difficult it seems to be to get members of the abominable WBC arrested and jailed, I fail to see the danger you do.
 
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