What if Virgin Mary said No?

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Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?

I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question

A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?

Praised be to God Virgin Mary said Yes!🙂

Ufam Tobie
 
Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?

I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question

A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?

God would have honoured her choice. She would not have sinned in saying no, because it was her free choice. She alone would have been worthy among mortals to go to Heaven, and we would sing songs about her being in Heaven. 🙂
Praised be to God Virgin Mary said Yes! 🙂
 
God would have said “Oh!..well er, I see…ok. Thanks anyways.” and then, puzzled, gone back to the drawing board 😛
 
God would have honoured her choice. She would not have sinned in saying no, because it was her free choice. She alone would have been worthy among mortals to go to Heaven, and we would sing songs about her being in Heaven. 🙂

Amen!
Jmcrae, You are absolutely Correct. Amen

We should all thank Virgin Mary for saying Yes, to Our Lord 70X7 times on a daily basis. Amen.

Ufam Tobie
 
Remembere, God is outside of time and He knows the beginning and ending of all things. Therefore He knew that Mary would freely say yes.

Alleluia!
 
Is it possible that Mary wasn’t the first person He asked?..and could there then be some other immaculately conceived human?
 
She is the Perfect ‘Yes’.

Although it is nice to think that She could have spoken ‘No’, it is not in Her nature.

Unlike us. She is not fallen.
 
Could She have said no? No. Did She have the freedom to say no? Yes. Do we do good, any good, in and of ourselves? No. It is sufficient for us to only thwart the Good that only comes from God. God moves us to the good, the true good, but we substitute our own “good”, for no one does something out of desire to do bad but we do “bad” in thinking that it is a better good than what God wants and is moving us toward.

ST. I, Q. 103, Article 7. Whether anything can happen outside the order of the Divine government?
On the contrary, Boethius says (De Consol. iii): “There is nothing that can desire or is able to resist this sovereign good. It is this sovereign good therefore that ruleth all mightily and ordereth all sweetly,” as is said (Wisdom 8) of Divine wisdom.
 
Well as everyone else has said God would have repsected that decision. The question then is if God would have asked the question again. Quite possibly if Mary had said no this would have the implication of no redemption for all humanity as she was without sin and the best humanity could offer but denied the Son. But logically that can’t happen. First, the incarnation is a gift and only a fool would say no to being the mother of the savior (as she wasn’t told at the time of Christ’s death and had nothing to worry of). Mary would also have been a sinner if she had said no, because she would be working against God and the only reason for her to say is for selfish reasons which go against love. So, it would seem if Mary was to be the mother of God she would have been virtuous, smart, and obedient. Therefore it would have been one of the most unthinkable responses in the history of the world
 
Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?

I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question

A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?

Praised be to God Virgin Mary said Yes!🙂

Ufam Tobie
Using Her free will, Mary has always Loved God perfectly.
Because of Mary’s perfect Love for God, it was impossible for Her to say no.
 
God has all-knowledge. Remember that Jesus’ incarnation was predestined from eternity. God didn’t have a Plan B. He doesn’t need a Plan B! That’s one of the benefits of being omniscient. 😃 God could have saved us in another way, or packed us all off to hell, but speculating about it is useless. This is what God chose from eternity, and that is why we call him our God and Father.
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Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?

I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question

A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?

Praised be to God Virgin Mary said Yes!🙂

Ufam Tobie
Well here is my take -
Mary says no thank you…
Gabriel says OK, thanks for listening and goes back and reports to God.
This Mary fades into history and is never heard from.
God looks around for the next likely candidate, good, holy and virginal, and sends Gabriel off again…
If this “new” Mary says yes, God goes back in time and removes original sin from her conception.
OK we are all set…

It’s great for God being “outside of time…”😃

Peace
James
 
Remembere, God is outside of time and He knows the beginning and ending of all things. Therefore He knew that Mary would freely say yes.

Alleluia!
Hi Dorthy, So True! God is outside of time and knows all things past present and future.

However Virgin Mary still had the opportunity to say no, God gives everyone a will to choose.

LUKE 1:38 And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Therefore we all should continuously thank Her for saying Yes, to have the Savior that will save us.

Ufam Tobie
 
Is it possible that Mary wasn’t the first person He asked?..and could there then be some other immaculately conceived human?
No. Mary was chosen from the beginning. She alone could have been the mother of Jesus. No one else could have taken her place. She alone had the ancestry that Jesus needed to inherit, in order to be recognized as the Messiah.
 
Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?

I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question

A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?

Praised be to God Virgin Mary said Yes!🙂

Ufam Tobie
What if the Father did not choose to send the Son the redeem man kind?

What if Jesus decided to send his legions of angels to stop the cross?

What if Eve would not have eaten the apple

What if …

Better to focus on What Is than what ifs
 
Human’s do not have the power or authority to thwart God’s providential will, no entity does. Don’t worry about the possibility that it could happen.
 
She is the Perfect ‘Yes’.

Although it is nice to think that She could have spoken ‘No’, it is not in Her nature.

Unlike us. She is not fallen.
True. Mary was preserved free from the stain of original sin and led a personally sinless life.

PAX :heaven:
 
Human’s do not have the power or authority to thwart God’s providential will, no entity does. Don’t worry about the possibility that it could happen.
Are you saying Mary did not possess free will ? If she did not possess free will , how was her " choice " freely given ?

I’m not sure what you mean by , " humans do not have the power or authority to thwart God’s providential will…" . We all have the freedom ( authority ) to reject God , IOW , to sin . Could you please elaborate ? Thanks .
 
Have you ever thought, What if Virgin Mary said no, to Gabriel the Archangel regarding Jesus Christ’s birth?
I never really thought about it for several reasons: One, it’s in the past and can’t be changed, two, it’s a hypothetical non-real, and three, this has to do with God’s central plan for humanity. God gets it done because He’s God. Jesus does what He sets out to do because He’s Jesus. Mary was privileged to have a role in this plan. I don’t think it’s accurate to say “No Mary, no Jesus,” because God can get it done without her. (We are talking about a virgin birth, after all; God is clearly capable of working outside the box). He would have needed one of Mary’s relatives in order to fulfill prophecy, but again, look at what it is we’re talking about. Prophecy. God foretelling the future. Many generations before it happens, God partially lays out some of the details of what will happen. If Mary wasn’t a part of the plan, God would know that well enough ahead of time that He could include a different person in His plan and even make different prophecies if that were necessary. That’s because God gives us prophecies based on what will happen, not on what might happen.
I know the thought above scares me, it really does, but it is a good question
I don’t think there’s anything to worry about. It’s over and done with. Plus, God’s in control and He gets it done. Bad things do happen to humanity sometimes- the Fall happened, and a lot of people wind up going to hell. But God’s not surprised by these things and He has a plan for redemption. God gets it done because He’s God. That’s why I don’t think about what would happen if it were somehow derailed. I have thought about what would happen if Adam and Eve had somehow averted the Fall…decent arguments can be made for the possibility of such a thing, even if it didn’t work out that way. I don’t think about it much, though, because that’s one more thing that’s in the past and can’t be changed. And I don’t think at all about how God’s redemptive plan could have failed. Along with being in the past, God is in charge of making it happen and He doesn’t fail. Mary had a privileged place within that plan, but she did not have the responsibility of making sure it was carried out. That’s all on God.
A question for both Catholics and Protestants, what do you think would of happened if Virgin Mary said no?
If she wasn’t right for being part of God’s plan, the angel wouldn’t have gone to her in the first place. You could ask a similar question about Joseph- what would have happened if he’d quietly divorced Mary like he initially planned before another angel intervened? How would things be different if our Savior had been raised by a single mother? I don’t dwell on that, either, because Joseph had a rather indispensable role as well. Not as central as Mary’s, but indispensable nonetheless. God knew ahead of time that they would be the ones He’d use. This also means He knew they’d be of use within His plan. Certain roles within God’s overarching plan are indispensable, and those roles must be filled by people that can get it done- either that, or God gives certain details ahead of time which must therefore happen. For example, God continues to have a plan for His chosen people, the Jews, and some prophecies concerning them haven’t happened yet. What if the Jews had been completely wiped out at some point? What if they are later on? What if someone manages to wipe out all of humanity before everything is fulfilled? None of these options are actually on the table because God has already laid out some parameters and boundaries regarding His plan. We’re certainly capable of imagining things that go well outside the lines- ie., what if Mary was killed while pregnant, what if Jesus was killed as a child in a freak accident, what if Jesus had succumbed to temptation and sinned, what if Jesus came with plans to die but no one wanted to kill him. We can imagine them, but they don’t/won’t/didn’t happen. It’s God’s plan and He’s in control. So I don’t worry about whether or not Jesus will sin, or not be born, or not get crucified and rise from the dead, or anything else I can imagine that would prevent Him from doing what He came to do. God’s plan is secure at all stages- before, during, and after any of its individual aspects are accomplished.

Praise God for being in control. And praise God for all the people He’s used to get it done- especially the ones that filled indispensable roles.
 
What if the Father did not choose to send the Son the redeem man kind?

rbarcia, We would be lost… But thank God, He did send His Son that we might be saved I say might because not all are saved.

What if Jesus decided to send his legions of angels to stop the cross?

rbarcia, Jesus had that power but He loves us so that He was willing to die for us.

What if Eve would not have eaten the apple

rbarcia, don’t forget Adam ate it to well if they both had not eaten the apple sin would not have come into paradise/world.

What if …

rbarcia, What if, you came back Home to the Catholic Church, I say this because a part of you does not want to leave the Catholic Church… Why do I know this? Because you are here at a Catholic site CAF The Holy Spirit Works in Mysterious ways… Also, know that this is a forum I answered your questions why did you not simply answer mine. or is it, Virgin Mary one of the reasons why you left the Church?

Better to focus on What Is than what ifs
Rbarcia, So True, it is important to focus on “what is”, and thank God that Virgin Mary did say YES to have our Lord, than “what ifs”…

Rbarcia, so you’re into ''what is" so I tell me, Why are you no longer a Catholic?

Ufam Tobie
 
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