What if your pastor suddenly switched the method of distribution of communion to 100% intinction?

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I have received Communion on the tongue at TLM masses when I was younger.
I have received by intinction at Byzantine masses

Receiving the Lord in my hands is, for me, the most reverent way to welcome Him into my body and soul.

I would be very upset if my church switched to only intinction.

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lepanto said:
The modus operandi in most “Novus Ordo” parishes, since about 15 years ago, is to distribute communion under both individual species.

But what if your pastor suddenly switched the method of distribution of communion to 100% intinction?
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The NO parishes around here don’t offer both species, so it isn’t the method we are used to. During recent travels we attended a parish that offered both and one that used intinction. I found the communion lines at the 2 species parish to be confusing and the communion process seemed to take much longer–even with plenty of EMHCs. The intinction parish was MUCH smaller so things moved faster anyway. Intinction is this pastor’s usual method and even though this was a “touristy” parish (as was the other) everyone understood what to do and nobody had a fit about having to receive on the tongue. I thought it was a wonderful method.
 
Sure said:
EMHC are forbidden from offering Holy Communion by intinction. This is reserved only for the ordained.

That was my original point is that with intinction there would be no EMHC’s to assist and thus it would take longer.
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I’m not so sure about that–do you have a link to something that spells out specific prohibition? (I’m asking in a totally sincere tone, here—I remember taking part in a similar discussion on another thread a while back, but it never got resolved & I gave up digging. Also gave up posting for a while, but that’s another story…:p)

If there is a church document that specifically addresses this, I would love to bring it up with my pastor, since it would be the first concern I’d have in 4 years in the parish.

I believe #287 of the GIRM was what deals with intinction, but its specifics got a little confusing to me.
 
<<Just a side note, this is how communion is handled in the Byzantine Divine Liturgy.>>

Since Communion is normally administered from a golden spoon, this is not properly intinction, which implies that each piece of the Precious Body is dipped in the chalice indivicually.

However, in most Melkite parishes–probably because of the large number of communicants, classic intinction is the norm.
 
We already do in the Chaldean rite and it makes a lot more sense visually.
 
lepanto said:
But what if your pastor suddenly switched the method of distribution of communion to 100% intinction?
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We’d be asking why…

Seriously, it’s just an issue of manpower. Average mass attendance is over 500 persons; closer to 700 at the sunday AM masses. At the moment, we’re down to two priests and two deacons, and the Pastor is about to go off to rome for several months of classes. Given that communion with a dozen ministers (most EMHC’s) is taking 10 minutes, one would expect at least 30 minutes for intinction, due to no more than 3 ministers, probably more, and at least 5 parishioners would need accommodation (celiac disease, severe).

1200 families registered… yes, twelve-hundred… and four masses.

Intinction with the lack of ordained ministers available, just isn’t practical.

In a smaller parish, like say, Soldotna, no issue at all. But Eagle River is just too big.
 
Jakub said:
Intinction is fine with me, but when did we put a time frame/stop watch on worship ?

Guess that football/baseball etc game or shopping at the mall means more…

Hope the Lord does not put a stop watch on me when I’m pleading my case on judgement day…

james
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Time is something of an issue because most urban parishes have multiple Mass on a Sunday (they may even have two vigil masses on a Saturday). At my parish, we have, on Sunday, a 6:30, 8:00, 9:30, 11:00, 12:30, 2:00 (Polish) and 5:00. Parking is something of a problem. People are usually arriving for the next Mass as the prior congregation departs.

So it isn’t a matter of malls and football games.
 
I would welcome intinction. This is what is practiced at the monastery where I was rec. into the Church.
 
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The one time I attended the Chaldean Liturgy, Communion was in one kind–from hosts, i/o the original custom of leavened bread–and in the hand. 😦

I went along with this as it seemed to be the received practice there, but I didn’t budge from my spot until I had consumed it.

It was also a “low” liturgy–recited and w/o incense, though some of the prayers (“the fragrance of Your holiness”) seemed to cry out for its use.

In fairness, I hope one day I can visit at a Liturgy celebrated with full solemnity, ceremonial, and music.
 
bpbasilphx said:
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The one time I attended the Chaldean Liturgy, Communion was in one kind–from hosts, i/o the original custom of leavened bread–and in the hand. 😦

I went along with this as it seemed to be the received practice there, but I didn’t budge from my spot until I had consumed it.

It was also a “low” liturgy–recited and w/o incense, though some of the prayers (“the fragrance of Your holiness”) seemed to cry out for its use.

In fairness, I hope one day I can visit at a Liturgy celebrated with full solemnity, ceremonial, and music.
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Unfortuently, those “low masses” have this sense that we don’t have to do everything right. We no longer have a “low” mass at my Diocese that doesn’t use incense, at least this is my understanding. May I ask where you attended this Divine Liturgy? I’m guessing somewhere in Detriot.
 
I voted that I would support the decision. However, it wouldn’t be my preference. But if that is what our Pastor feels is best I would defer to him.
 
<<May I ask where you attended this Divine Liturgy? I’m guessing somewhere in Detriot.>>

In my city of residence, which as my screen name suggests, is Phoenix.

Let me add here that I’ve felt a special burden for Chaldean and Assyrian Christians. Their suffering is a matter very close to my heart.

For those of you unaware of what’s going on, there are atrocities that are too distressing for me to describe here. Beheading and dismemberment of Christians are among the milder ones.

I saw photos of a demonstration for the suffering Christians of Iraq in San Diego. Many of the participants were wearing t-shirts with a picture of a newly-martyred priest. I would really like to have one. Where can I get it?
 
I wouldn’t mind it at all, so long as provisions were made for those with special circumstances. It would seem, at least to me, to be more hiegenic too. A few weeks ago when recieving from the chalice I noticed a half-consumed chunk of host floating in the blood that must of washed out of someone’s mouth - intinction would keep stuff like that from happening.
 
bpbasilphx said:
<<May I ask where you attended this Divine Liturgy? I’m guessing somewhere in Detriot.>>

In my city of residence, which as my screen name suggests, is Phoenix.

Let me add here that I’ve felt a special burden for Chaldean and Assyrian Christians. Their suffering is a matter very close to my heart.

For those of you unaware of what’s going on, there are atrocities that are too distressing for me to describe here. Beheading and dismemberment of Christians are among the milder ones.

I saw photos of a demonstration for the suffering** Christians of Iraq in San Diego**. Many of the participants were wearing t-shirts with a picture of a newly-martyred priest. I would really like to have one. Where can I get it?
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The rally can be viewed here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=176324

The T-Shirts were made by a member of my parish and if you really want one, contact me via PM and I’ll see if I can find any more.

You can read about Fr. Ragheed here:
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9452&size=A

and here:
kaldu.org/2007/6_JuneNews/June4_E2_FrRagheed.html
 
<<A few weeks ago when recieving from the chalice I noticed a half-consumed chunk of host floating in the blood that must of washed out of someone’s mouth - intinction would keep stuff like that from happening. >>

I don’t know if it’s in the NO, but traditionally the Priest would put a fragment of the Host into the Chalice before drinking the Precious Blood. Maybe this is what you saw? (Generally it would be consumed with the Chalice.)
 
Aramis said:
We’d be asking why…

Seriously, it’s just an issue of manpower. Average mass attendance is over 500 persons; closer to 700 at the sunday AM masses. At the moment, we’re down to two priests and two deacons, and the Pastor is about to go off to rome for several months of classes. Given that communion with a dozen ministers (most EMHC’s) is taking 10 minutes, one would expect at least 30 minutes for intinction, due to no more than 3 ministers, probably more, and at least 5 parishioners would need accommodation (celiac disease, severe).

1200 families registered… yes, twelve-hundred… and four masses.

Intinction with the lack of ordained ministers available, just isn’t practical.

In a smaller parish, like say, Soldotna, no issue at all. But Eagle River is just too big.
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I see you tripled your communion time, presumably because you would have 1/3 less ministers - but is every one of your ministers distributing hosts? I would assume that 8 of them (if you keep to the “standard” ratio) are on cups, which would mean that intinction would take basically the same amount of time, 4 ministers before, 4 after.

I would also question, though, the contention that only the ordained can distribute by intinction. I think we may have had threads on it before, but the fact that the GIRM says “the priest” does such and such doesn’t necessarily mean “only a priest.” It might take a letter to the CDW to clear things up for good, but the experience of at least one poster here in a parish where EMHCs intinct shows that there are different interpretations out there.
 
Andreas_Hofer said:
I see you tripled your communion time, presumably because you would have 1/3 less ministers - but is every one of your ministers distributing hosts? I would assume that 8 of them (if you keep to the “standard” ratio) are on cups, which would mean that intinction would take basically the same amount of time, 4 ministers before, 4 after.

I would also question, though, the contention that only the ordained can distribute by intinction. I think we may have had threads on it before, but the fact that the GIRM says “the priest” does such and such doesn’t necessarily mean “only a priest.” It might take a letter to the CDW to clear things up for good, but the experience of at least one poster here in a parish where EMHCs intinct shows that there are different interpretations out there.
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of the 11 (not quite a dozen), 6 are serving the communion cups. 5 are on the precious body. Since the deacons are not present at all masses except when preaching…

I was presuming the deacons to be intincting as well.

Hence 2 instead of 5, and a slight markup for the slightly longer (an extra 2 seconds each adds up over 200 people… that’s an extra 6+ minutes right there)…

And I don’t recall the citation, but intinction may only be done by clergy, not even by instituted clerks.
 
maryjk said:
He couldn’t. 🤷

I have Celiac, and he knows it.
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Yes he could, you would just either receive first or there would be a Chalice for you separate from the community.

Just like now you do not receive from the priest’s chalice because there is a fragment of the Body in it.
 
ByzCath said:
Yes he could, you would just either receive first or there would be a Chalice for you separate from the community.

Just like now you do not receive from the priest’s chalice because there is a fragment of the Body in it.
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Which means that it wouldn’t be 100%.
 
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