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SpiritusSanctus
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Yes, I heard about that! That is so wonderful. Let’s pray that the Pope will convert Russia when they present the rosaries to him. Does anyone know when they shall present them to him?
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At_Trent
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I would guess not long from now. Divine Mercy Sunday ?
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Dempsey1919
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This is fantastic news! I have recently come to believe in Fatima and I really hope that this Rosary Crusade grants the Church the grace it needs to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In the end her Immaculate Heart will triumph and there will be a period of peace in the world. The crisis in the Church will come to an end, but the Holy Father must use the weapons that Heaven has given him; he must consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart in union with the Bishops throughout the world. Many Bishops will oppose him and refuse to participate; it will be extremely difficult for the Holy Father to do the consecration because it goes against the false ecumenism that is so popular in this day and age.
I think we are on the verge of something great…
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SpiritusSanctus
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Yes, I think it’s only a matter of time before the great consecration will occur. Let’s hope it does soon, because we need the chestisement that will bring the period of peace, and we need it badly!
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How about preserving the TLM?
20% of every-Sunday TLMs in US, 50% in France, etc.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/02/statistics-for-every-sunday-tlms-in-10.html
I would say thats a pretty significant impact.
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numealinesimpet
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On the contrary, both the SSPX and other Catholics who follow all of Catholic teaching, including Pope John Paul II’s urging to be “generous” in the number of children they bring into the world, have a great impact, because they are a standing rebuke to those who do not.
Please do remember that there are many parents who would love to have more children – or even one – and God has not permitted it. In fact, on the very day when a couple join in the Sacrament of Matrimony, God has already decided how many, and which, children they will bring into the world – and into Eternity. Even abortion will send a child only as far as Limbo. But what do parents say at the Last Judgment when God asks them, “Where are your children? I wanted them to be with Me for Eternity”.
These things the SSPX teach and preach fearlessly. If a majority of Catholics ignore all this, or are never taught it, it is hardly the SSPX’s fault. But they are still there as a silent rebuke.
Let me tell you a little about the Six Counties of Northern Ireland. (For those not connected with this, they are still under British Administration, and have a narrow Protestant /pro-British majority). In the old days, all over Ireland, if a family had just two children it was good-naturedly called “A good Protestant Family”. The Protestants in the North were very fond of saying “The Taigs [guess who?] live like pigs and breed like rabbits”. But they were very afraid. Because, in the 1970s, if the Catholics had taken the SSPX’s – and the Holy Father’s – advice and just left those vile contraceptives on the shelf – or preferably, dumped them in the sea as the Dublin dockers did when English pornography was detected in a shipment of magazines – then the “problem of the North” would have been “demographically solved” decades ago.
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numealinesimpet
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O thank God! I feel like waking my family up just to tell them this! Do note that B Fellay has used the actual weapon our Lady gave us, instead of Dialogue and Ostpolitik.
This morning my dear wife & I were able to attend a truly wonderful Pontifical High Mass for The Intentions of the Holy Father, and particularly in view of the Storm of Hatred currently surrounding him. This Mass was offered in a Central Cork church under Summorum Pontificum. (It is unspoiled. The Parish Priest at the time had been pressurised to destroy the many statues and other ornaments of this House of God, and he had replied, “Over my dead body!” Since they saw he did actually mean it [this is Cork, Boy!] the church was spared for this beginning of the Restoration.) Several locals were highly impressed & have asked what other TLMs are to be had at the church. Without the patient work of the SSPX, none of this would have happened.
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At_Trent
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Thanks for sharing that story. That priest will be rewarded by God Almighty
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numealinesimpet
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Surely you can see the fallacy of this. What does ‘excommunication’ mean? It means one is banned from participating in the Sacraments. Of course it entailed Athanasius being banned from administering any of the Sacraments. He didn’t need to be told each individual thinkg he was barred from doing. and it is a plain as day that he (rightly) ignored this, because the ruling was unjust and invalid, even when issued with the endorsement of his legitimate superior, the pope.
Actually, I was politely asking you to inform yourself better before reiterating misconceptions about Obedience. And in the past you have been rather impatient whenever the topic of Athanasius was raised. there are times when I have thought you were trying to run discussion of Athanasius off the board.
pnewton, on another posting you said “I was not aware quoting Scripture was lecturing”. this does illustrate the dangers af a “sola Scriptura” approach to things. You see, when we use very common, concrete words like “rain” or “cat” there is almost no chance of being misunderstood; but the more abstract or uncommon a word is, the more careful we need to be. And any prafessionsl field must define its words very carefully. for example, engineers know the difference between “stress” and “strain”. In theology, the Catholic church has always (up until 1962, anyway) been very careful to define words before using them. This is precisely ‘The Scholastic Method’ and ‘the Perennial Philosophy’ associated with S. Thomas Aquinas.
Your posting makes me think that you have seen the word “Obedience” in the Bible and jump to the conclusion that you know exactly what it means. But developed Catholic theology differentiates between Disobedience (sin by defect), Sufficient Obedience, Perfect Obedience, and Indiscreet or Indolent Obedience (sin by excess). If we will agree to accept Catholic Teaching on this (and isn’t it only common sense anyway?) then we can discuss the case of the SSPX intelligently.
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Actually, the case of Athanasius is very important in establishing precedents (it’s a precedent, not an analogy). It proves that you can’t take the simplistic route of saying: “Lefebvre was told not to consecrate. He did consecrate. Therefore he was disobedient, proud, schismatic …. and that goes for his supporters too” … As I have argued before, the Arian episode does not prove straight away that Lefebvre et al. were in the right (which is why we are not ‘begging the question’); but it does prove the possibility that a bishop can set aside the expressed mandate of the pope and still be in the right –*depending on the circumstances. The SSPX case then needs to be studied on its merits, instead of simply being dismissed out of hand, as so many have done (no doubt with the best intentions in most cases).
Yes indeed. Clear thinking has been under attack all through the 20th century, with the abandonment of the Scholastic method, which is really only a development of Aristotle’s analysis of thought. He made probably the greatest contribution to human thought since The Beginning up to his own time, but going into details might be too much of a red herring on this thread.
Yet he showed how you can systematically increase your knowledge, using the methods he details in the Prior and the Posterior Analytics. Aquinas ‘baptised’ this by adding the dimension of Revelation.
The most basic mental tool explicated by Aristotle was the ‘Syllogism’. He gives as the first example: –
“All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore Socrates is mortal”.
Most “Modern Philosophies” abandon all this. Instead of defining words and then applying the rules of logic, they teach a variety of different routes of thought; one of the most destructive – part of the Modernist “Synthesis of all heresies” – is the idea that the meaning of a word becomes ever more defined as you actually ‘do’ the action denoted. For example,”Faith” becomes known, not by defining it beforehand, but by “living it”. What these ‘philosophers do not seem to notice is that, using this method, you never actually know what ‘it’ is. That is why the pre-1960 popes strenuously opposed this corrosive philosophy, enforced the “Oath Against Modernism” (you can google it) and why Mgr Lefebvre stated, “You do not need an heretical pope. A Modernist pope will do the same work”.
I regret to say that this Modernist thinking was dominant throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s within the Catholic Church (precisely because its proponents succeeded in getting the upper hand during the Council). One of the few bastions of Scholastic thinking was the SSPX seminaries and schools.
Immediately after Vatican II, the oath against Modernism was quietly dropped.
Just as the 2500-year-old Hippocratic Oath was dropped, at about the same time, when doctors began committing abortions.
I hope this will help newcomers to the controversy to realise that there are much more fundamental questions at stake than whether or not the Mass is to be in Latin.
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SpiritusSanctus
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Great to hear you were able to attend a High Mass! Thank you for sharing that with us.
God Bless.
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