What is a pagan??

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In addition, the situation of the Hibernians and St. Patrick does not infer anything about the Druids in 1st-c. Britannia(and remember the stories of Arthur’s benevolent yet literally half-demonic Merlin afterward). In addition, even though it was established prior to the Celts’ arrival, Stonehenge is too eery to have been used benignly (not to mention all of the mutilated “bog-body” instances across pre-Christian(ized) Europe; sorry, I am really tired).
 
Is “eerie” really a moral or spiritual category? If so, how would you define and/or discern it?

I grant your point about the bog bodies, however!

Edwin
I know that it is rather subjective, but it is the kind of feeling that I have when curiously reading about demons or the zodiac, especially when late at night.
 
I know that it is rather subjective, but it is the kind of feeling that I have when curiously reading about demons or the zodiac, especially when late at night.
Are you familiar with Rudolf Otto’s discussion of the “numinous” in The Idea of the Holy? (C. S. Lewis picked up on it.) It’s not a moral category in itself, so it doesn’t say anything directly about the moral/spiritual character of whatever reality lies behind it. It’s simply a sense of intense “otherness” and awe.

Edwin
 
Are you familiar with Rudolf Otto’s discussion of the “numinous” in The Idea of the Holy? (C. S. Lewis picked up on it.) It’s not a moral category in itself, so it doesn’t say anything directly about the moral/spiritual character of whatever reality lies behind it. It’s simply a sense of intense “otherness” and awe.
Edwin
Indeed, like how I occasionally twitch a little when thinking about the Blessed Virgin. Unfortunately, I have not read Otto’s work, but, for me, the eeriness may also be a result of very mild paranoia.
 
This can be said about pretty much all conquerors. History is written by the victors, who generallyl do all they can to cast the losers in a bad, evil light as it helps to justify whatever means they used to conquor them.

Which brings me to the comment Young Thinker made about witches burning babies and cats. As I pointed out in an earlier post on this thead, Christian progaganda truly knew no bounds. Daemons went from wise to evil, pagans were suddenly guilty of sacrificing Christian children, etc, etc. I’m not saying that there haven’t been folks throughout history who actually did some heinous things during worship of their god(s), I am saying that this was not the norm. Of course, as tends to be the case, attacks, perceived or otherwise, on one’s god(s) tends to be labeled as evil, but this is purely subjective for obvious reasons.
 
Odin.
Old one eye, The Wanderer, The AllFather, The Watcher. The God of All Gods.
Who gave his name to Odinsday- or Wodensday or Wednesday to us. He is the natural God of us all, he is above all the wringing of hands and praying for forgiveness.
Search for Asatru, a real religion, which was nearly snuffed out by the faux quasi religion- which robbed other religions of their myths and histories- xtianity.
 
Odin.
Old one eye, The Wanderer, The AllFather, The Watcher. The God of All Gods.
Who gave his name to Odinsday- or Wodensday or Wednesday to us. He is the natural God of us all, he is above all the wringing of hands and praying for forgiveness.
Amen to this part and if you do wrong Odin you simple right the wrong and pay weregild. Easy.
This can be said about pretty much all conquerors. History is written by the victors, who generallyl do all they can to cast the losers in a bad, evil light as it helps to justify whatever means they used to conquor them.

Which brings me to the comment Young Thinker made about witches burning babies and cats. As I pointed out in an earlier post on this thead, Christian progaganda truly knew no bounds. Daemons went from wise to evil, pagans were suddenly guilty of sacrificing Christian children, etc, etc. I’m not saying that there haven’t been folks throughout history who actually did some heinous things during worship of their god(s), I am saying that this was not the norm. Of course, as tends to be the case, attacks, perceived or otherwise, on one’s god(s) tends to be labeled as evil, but this is purely subjective for obvious reasons.
We Pagans need only make sure the Church never again gets the support of the government as it did in Rome and then we shall prosper and return to our former glory.

This is very true, I often tell people to just apply the argument to another religion, such as how many Pagan were willing to be martyred for there faith, would they die for something they didn’t really believe in?
 
I am coming from a different thread…

But to some, Jesus rose from the dead on a pagan day…
 
*“What is a pagan day” ? *

Every day I get out of bed to greet the dawn!🙂
 
What’s a “pagan day”?
Sun’s Day

Moon’s Day

Tyr’s Day

Odin’s Day

Thor’s Day

Freya’s Day

and Saturn’s Day.

Six days of the week after Norse Gods, one after a Roman. Everyday is a Pagan day!
 
Sun’s Day

Moon’s Day

Tyr’s Day

Odin’s Day

Thor’s Day

Freya’s Day

and Saturn’s Day.

Six days of the week after Norse Gods, one after a Roman. Everyday is a Pagan day!
Maybe we should rename our months after the Twelve Apostles and the days of the week after either the 7 known archangels(Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, Uriel, etc.) or the Seven Champions of Christendom!
 
Maybe we should rename our months after the Twelve Apostles and the days of the week after either the 7 known archangels(Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, Uriel, etc.) or the Seven Champions of Christendom!
Who are the Seven Champions?
 
All this talk of Thor gets me in the mood for some Marvel comics! I’m in the mood to watch Thor whip Abomination and Dr. Doom!
 
anyone is a pagan, depending on each person’s point of view. before defining paganism, its better if we look to ourself first before judging anyone as pagan. some considered themselves as religious and follower of the faith but murderers of the innocent, phedopiles or corrupt and more.
 
All this talk of Thor gets me in the mood for some Marvel comics! I’m in the mood to watch Thor whip Abomination and Dr. Doom!
Just goes to show you, we cannot forget the old gods no matter how much some folks wish we would!
 
There are a lot of posts in this thread, and I didn’t feel like reading all fifteen pages. So excuse me if I re-state something that has already been said.

The word “pagan” comes from the Latin “paganus,” meaning “rural person.” Basically, it referrs to indiginous peoples, tribal peoples, and old folk traditions. And more importantly, the people who worship their own gods, as opposed to converting to Christianity.

In modern terms, a Pagan is anyone polytheistic. These can be broken down into “Paleopagans,” who have continued worship their old gods continuously (such as pacific islanders), and “Neopagans,” who have returned to the old ways after a long hiatus. An example of that would be the people in Scandinavia, whose ancestors were converted to Christianity about nine hundred years ago, but in the past hundred years, have gone back to Odin and Thor. Neopagans also include Wicca, which is a relatively new religion (less than a century), but loosely based on the old Celtic traditions. Neopaganism is usually updated to be practical in the modern age (the Earth is no longer flat, no more human sacrifices, stuff like that). There’s also Pagan Reconstructionism, which would includ modern-day Druids, Sumerians, Mayans, etc. These are the Neopagans who are trying to return to the old ways, based on historical and archeological data. So naturally, it’s not going to be an EXACT reconstruction, but they’ll try to get as close as possible.

As I said, any polytheistic belief system is considered Pagan. But there’s some diagreement as to whether or not this includes Hinduism, since the Hindu gods are emmanations of a single god – sort of like the Holy Trinity, except with way more than three.
 
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