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What is the difference between the Reformed baptists and other Baptists?
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Kmon23
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Baptists have a wide range of beliefs, where they are many independent churches. However they do agree generally on the prominent Protestant beliefs, such as Sola Sciptura, Fide, etc.
They don’t have a formal episcopacy (just pastors and elders). No belief in the real presence, no belief in sacraments (just symbolic).
Reformed Baptists are specifically those who follow the Reformed tradition, teachings of John Calvin.
They don’t have a formal episcopacy (just pastors and elders). No belief in the real presence, no belief in sacraments (just symbolic).
Reformed Baptists are specifically those who follow the Reformed tradition, teachings of John Calvin.
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adf417
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I have 2 Baptist friends debating OSAS right now. One believes it the other does not. If they get to a consensus I will let you know.
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MiserableSinner
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Which set of heresies they have been lead to believe.
I thought all Baptists believed the OSAS heresy?
I hate heresy. It puts souls in danger and people teach it to their kids once they have been lead to believe it. I was lead to believe heresies when I was a teenager, which lead to me being in mortal sin.
OSAS heresy is only 500 years old at the most. It doesn’t go back to Christ’s Apostles.
1 John 3:8
…7Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.…
The Devil had me. Literally.
I thought all Baptists believed the OSAS heresy?
I hate heresy. It puts souls in danger and people teach it to their kids once they have been lead to believe it. I was lead to believe heresies when I was a teenager, which lead to me being in mortal sin.
OSAS heresy is only 500 years old at the most. It doesn’t go back to Christ’s Apostles.
1 John 3:8
…7Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.…
The Devil had me. Literally.
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Kmon23
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I’m not Catholic, and so I don’t really subscribe to Catholic teaching in this regard, but you could not have been in mortal sin in what you describe. It said it led you to being in mortal sin because you were taught heresy and believed in them, but you need have full knowledge that it is mortal sin to be mortal sin (full knowledge, full intent, grave matter).Which set of heresies they have been lead to believe.
I thought all Baptists believed the OSAS heresy?
I hate heresy. It puts souls in danger and people teach it to their kids once they have been lead to believe it. I was lead to believe heresies when I was a teenager, which lead to me being in mortal sin.
OSAS heresy is only 500 years old at the most. It doesn’t go back to Christ’s Apostles.
1 John 3:8
…7Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.…
The Devil had me. Literally.
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theropod
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Reformed Baptists are the only Baptists that have a plausible theory for Eternal Security, IMO. That is, Calvinism in whatever form they accept it. I know many reject that some people are predestined to Hell, but there are a lot of “Calvinists” who aren’t full 5 pointers.What is the difference between the Reformed baptists and other Baptists?
Arminian Baptists who believe in OSAS don’t have much of a leg to stand on Biblically, IMO. I think they preach something dangerous.
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fhansen
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Anyone who teaches OSAS has no leg to stand on.Reformed Baptists are the only Baptists that have a plausible theory for Eternal Security, IMO. That is, Calvinism in whatever form they accept it. I know many reject that some people are predestined to Hell, but there are a lot of “Calvinists” who aren’t full 5 pointers.
Arminian Baptists who believe in OSAS don’t have much of a leg to stand on Biblically, IMO. I think they preach something dangerous.
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Alex_H
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Reformed Baptists typically place a strong emphasis on the sovereignty of God in the process of salvation. They are adherents of Calvinism, a reformed theology that was started during the protestant reformation by a man named John Calvin. Their beliefs can be summarized as such:
Total Depravity – The human will is so affected by original sin that it is unable to choose to follow God, as we are at enmity with God…
Unconditional Election – God predestined at the outset of the world that certain people were going to be saved by his mercy while others would be left in their sinful state…
Limited Atonement – This idea is that Jesus died only for those who God elected from the beginning of time to be saved and not for the world as a whole …
Irresistible Grace - Once God has chosen that someone will be saved, the person is not able to reject salvation – the act of salvation is forced upon him
Perseverance of the Saints – Commonly known as OSAS, or Once Saved Always Saved, it is the belief that those who are elected by God will never fall away from God’s favor and will end up going into heaven no matter what.
Like all baptists, they reject infant baptism, and instead believe in “believer’s baptism,” which is a policy that says a person must be able to acknowledge Jesus as their savior before being baptized.
Total Depravity – The human will is so affected by original sin that it is unable to choose to follow God, as we are at enmity with God…
Unconditional Election – God predestined at the outset of the world that certain people were going to be saved by his mercy while others would be left in their sinful state…
Limited Atonement – This idea is that Jesus died only for those who God elected from the beginning of time to be saved and not for the world as a whole …
Irresistible Grace - Once God has chosen that someone will be saved, the person is not able to reject salvation – the act of salvation is forced upon him
Perseverance of the Saints – Commonly known as OSAS, or Once Saved Always Saved, it is the belief that those who are elected by God will never fall away from God’s favor and will end up going into heaven no matter what.
Like all baptists, they reject infant baptism, and instead believe in “believer’s baptism,” which is a policy that says a person must be able to acknowledge Jesus as their savior before being baptized.
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theropod
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It depends on what you mean by it. Some may say Eternal Security as described by Calvinists is OSAS, but I think there’s enough of a difference to make a distinction. Whether you agree with Calvinism or not, and I’m sure you don’t, you can’t say it doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Calvinism is at least logically coherent with arguable scriptural support. I can’t say the same for Arminan Baptists with respect to OSAS.Anyone who teaches OSAS has no leg to stand on.
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adf417
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The bold statement above holds true for Arianism also but the church, thanks be to God, saw fit to squash it out early on.It depends on what you mean by it. Some may say Eternal Security as described by Calvinists is OSAS, but I think there’s enough of a difference to make a distinction. Whether you agree with Calvinism or not, and I’m sure you don’t, you can’t say it doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Calvinism is at least logically coherent with arguable scriptural support. I can’t say the same for Arminan Baptists with respect to OSAS.
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fhansen
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I agree that Calvinism offers a fairly tidy package, even if inconsistent with the gospel in significant ways. I don’t know about Arminian Baptists. I suppose one could have great faith in their faith, “fiduciary faith” as they say, believing they’ll persevere in it synergystically, by cooperating with grace, trusting God to save while knowing they could still walk away-but believing they won’t. It is pretty weak though.It depends on what you mean by it. Some may say Eternal Security as described by Calvinists is OSAS, but I think there’s enough of a difference to make a distinction. Whether you agree with Calvinism or not, and I’m sure you don’t, you can’t say it doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Calvinism is at least logically coherent with arguable scriptural support. I can’t say the same for Arminan Baptists with respect to OSAS.
Either way the Catholic position is consistent with Scripture IMO, acknowledging the possibility of our turning back away from God and thereby losing the state of justice we freely received from Him. In this we can still have a guarded assurance, trusting in His desire to save us while aware of our own weaknesses and limitations and willfulness, both in regards to remaining in the faith as well as simply being able to know what God, alone, knows with 100% certainty.
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