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Scientology is one of the only religions I know which claims they they are compatable with all other religions, in other words, they will tell you you can join the Church of Scientology and yet remain in your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever faith you were before. Scientology is, however, in no way a Christian denomination or based on any aspect of Christianity.
Shortly after he wrote Dianetics in 1950, L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have discovered scientific proof of the existence of past lives. For obvious reasons, this claim was very upsetting to some people. It would probably be most upsetting of all to those members of mainstream Christian, Muslim, and Jewish groups who have been tricked into believing Scientology can be at all compatible with their faith.
If you don’t want to read the tens of thousands of pages of leaked documents, or listen to the thousand or so hours of LRH recordings which have been leaked, recent candid admissions by Scientology’s official spokesperson Tommy Davis should paint a pretty clear picture of what the true fundamental belief of Scientology is.
The entirety of the Tommy Davis interview with WESQ News reporter Nathan Baca is available for viewing at:
youtube.com/watch?v=kLG3teVnszQ&feature=channel_page
The portion quoted below begins at approximately 28 minutes, 30 seconds into the video.
Tommy Davis (official spokesperson for the Church of Scientology): “Now, in terms of what do Scientologists believe in terms of, uh, I think, what was your question?”
Nathan Baca: “The “Genesis” story.”
Tommy Davis (official spokesperson for the Church of Scientology): “The “Genesis,” sure the “Genesis” story. The fundamental belief in Scientology is that is man, or the individual, is an immortal spiritual being. Like, you are immortal spiritual being, you don’t, you don’t have a soul, you don’t have a spirit, you are an immortal spiritual being. You’re not your your body. So you lived before and you’ll live again. And its a religious belief that’s, um, that really goes back to the, the, the oldest and most ancient religious beliefs of, of our civilization, going back to India and Asia and the origins of much of modern religion in that uh, that belief in past lives, that belief that one has lived before and one will live again through the endless track of time.”
Tommy Davis has clearly stated that reincarnation is not a but THE fundamental belief of Scientology.
Unfortunate for Corporation of Scientology claims that they are compatible with other main-stream religions in America and elsewhere, is the fact that reincarnation is antithetical to the religious traditions which trace their lineage back to Abraham (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam).
Paragraph 1013 of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” clearly states the Catholic position that “Death is the end of man’s earthly pilgrimage… There is no “reincarnation” after death.” This is not a position over which many protestant, Jewish or Muslim theologians have disputed with Rome.
Perhaps the most visible (to outsiders) indication of Scientology’s reincarnation beliefs is to be found in the Navy themed paramilitary wing of Scientology, the Sea Organization (or Sea Org). Sea Org has as its standard contract term for enlistees a period of 1,000,000,000 (one billion) years. Copies of this contract are widely available on the internet. Lest one be tricked into thinking this is merely symbolic and not indicative of a belief that they will return to serve again and again, the Motto of the Sea Organization should be noted. It appears in the Sea Org’s coat of arms.
Please view the Sea Org’s coat of arms here:
img24.imageshack.us/img24/1028/socoatofarms.jpg
or using this tinyurl:
tinyurl.com/ddkmuw
or on this website run by Scientology:
bonafidescientology.org/Chapter/05/page09.htm
The motto “Revenimus,” according to Scientologists means “We Come Back.” Sea Org also uses this “We Come Back” motto on promotional images, one of which you can see at the following link:
lh4.ggpht.com/_wxGgsSfXiyk/SbLpyPdB3uI/AAAAAAAAAoE/cO9z9fc_qh8/s400/SO1996%20We%20Come%20Back.jpg
also with tinyurl:
tinyurl.com/akuc8z
Do not be deceived when devoted but uninformed or misinformed low level Scientologists (or informed high level Corporation of Scientology liars) try to trick you into believing Scientology is compatible with Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
Peace
Shortly after he wrote Dianetics in 1950, L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have discovered scientific proof of the existence of past lives. For obvious reasons, this claim was very upsetting to some people. It would probably be most upsetting of all to those members of mainstream Christian, Muslim, and Jewish groups who have been tricked into believing Scientology can be at all compatible with their faith.
If you don’t want to read the tens of thousands of pages of leaked documents, or listen to the thousand or so hours of LRH recordings which have been leaked, recent candid admissions by Scientology’s official spokesperson Tommy Davis should paint a pretty clear picture of what the true fundamental belief of Scientology is.
The entirety of the Tommy Davis interview with WESQ News reporter Nathan Baca is available for viewing at:
youtube.com/watch?v=kLG3teVnszQ&feature=channel_page
The portion quoted below begins at approximately 28 minutes, 30 seconds into the video.
Tommy Davis (official spokesperson for the Church of Scientology): “Now, in terms of what do Scientologists believe in terms of, uh, I think, what was your question?”
Nathan Baca: “The “Genesis” story.”
Tommy Davis (official spokesperson for the Church of Scientology): “The “Genesis,” sure the “Genesis” story. The fundamental belief in Scientology is that is man, or the individual, is an immortal spiritual being. Like, you are immortal spiritual being, you don’t, you don’t have a soul, you don’t have a spirit, you are an immortal spiritual being. You’re not your your body. So you lived before and you’ll live again. And its a religious belief that’s, um, that really goes back to the, the, the oldest and most ancient religious beliefs of, of our civilization, going back to India and Asia and the origins of much of modern religion in that uh, that belief in past lives, that belief that one has lived before and one will live again through the endless track of time.”
Tommy Davis has clearly stated that reincarnation is not a but THE fundamental belief of Scientology.
Unfortunate for Corporation of Scientology claims that they are compatible with other main-stream religions in America and elsewhere, is the fact that reincarnation is antithetical to the religious traditions which trace their lineage back to Abraham (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam).
Paragraph 1013 of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” clearly states the Catholic position that “Death is the end of man’s earthly pilgrimage… There is no “reincarnation” after death.” This is not a position over which many protestant, Jewish or Muslim theologians have disputed with Rome.
Perhaps the most visible (to outsiders) indication of Scientology’s reincarnation beliefs is to be found in the Navy themed paramilitary wing of Scientology, the Sea Organization (or Sea Org). Sea Org has as its standard contract term for enlistees a period of 1,000,000,000 (one billion) years. Copies of this contract are widely available on the internet. Lest one be tricked into thinking this is merely symbolic and not indicative of a belief that they will return to serve again and again, the Motto of the Sea Organization should be noted. It appears in the Sea Org’s coat of arms.
Please view the Sea Org’s coat of arms here:
img24.imageshack.us/img24/1028/socoatofarms.jpg
or using this tinyurl:
tinyurl.com/ddkmuw
or on this website run by Scientology:
bonafidescientology.org/Chapter/05/page09.htm
The motto “Revenimus,” according to Scientologists means “We Come Back.” Sea Org also uses this “We Come Back” motto on promotional images, one of which you can see at the following link:
lh4.ggpht.com/_wxGgsSfXiyk/SbLpyPdB3uI/AAAAAAAAAoE/cO9z9fc_qh8/s400/SO1996%20We%20Come%20Back.jpg
also with tinyurl:
tinyurl.com/akuc8z
Do not be deceived when devoted but uninformed or misinformed low level Scientologists (or informed high level Corporation of Scientology liars) try to trick you into believing Scientology is compatible with Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
Peace
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MyzTek
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addendum:
Some relevant quotes from LRH regarding Scientology’s view of Catholicism and other religions which I have found while studying their books and lecture transcripts (which together officially comprise “the Scientology Scriptures”):
“There are vast organizations which work to slow the genetic line down. I won’t mention any names, because these organizations are well contributed to, um, and besides you shouldn’t say the name “Roman Catholic Church” on Sunday because Sunday’s a holy day.” L. Ron Hubbard. “Solution To Psychosis” a lecture given on 29 December 1956 in The Washington Congress On Anti-Radiation And Confront Lectures.
“Anyway, didn’t you know that, that Christianity is based upon the writings of Plato, and the Catholic Church at all times when challenged about its doctrines has uniformly referred to the authority called Plato? You understand I’m not… not in any way, sense or form against the Church. I think the Church is a good organization. But we got a better one now.” L. Ron Hubbard. “The Logics: Methods of Thinking” a lecture given on 4 December 1952 in the Philadelphia Doctorate Courses.
"Uh… TIME magazine is run by a Catholic, I think he is, or something, and I think it’s on the… on the uh… the magazine is published, and… by license of a papal bull. And uh… a fellow by the name of Luce runs this magazine; and I merely want this to be on a tape for the record for posterity. If this fellow ever turns up for processing he’s to be thrown in the clam. And put there very heavily and very strongly and left to go about his way. “The last person that was thrown violently into the clam lost all of his wisdom and molars. That’s right, that’s what happened.” L. Ron Hubbard. “ABOUT THE PRESS TONE LEVEL: PSYCHOMETRY” a lecture given on 18 December 1952 in the Philadelphia Doctorate Courses.
“However, engaging in long discourses, or trying to educate a minister of some Protestant church or a priest of the Catholic faith into the tenets of Scientology is not desirable and is directly contrary to Article 10 of the Code of a Scientologist.” L. Ron Hubbard. "The Scientologist: A Manual on the Dissemination of Material. Ability Magazine. Phoenix Arizona. 1955. - “10. To engage in no unseemly disputes with the uninformed on the subject of my profession.” [p. 388.] L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology 0-8. Los Angeles, CA. Bridge Publications, Inc. 2007.
from a drill “Using Buttons - Hate/Love” on how to handle Scientology’s perceived enemies: "e. General scene: a local Catholic bishop is causing many local attacks on the org. " 1. Send several FSMs over to the Catholic church to swear at him in confessionals. " 2. Connect him up to abortion end/or pornographic activities. " 3. Write the Pope an anonymous letter stating that the bishop is really a rabbi under cover. " 4. Spread a rumor around town that he’s against air pollution. "f. Mock up 5 similar examples as above on your own, noting the correct answer. "i. Third party a group to another group ensuring that you get as your product an observed conflict between the two. “j. Write up results.”
“There are many types of involuntary withholds. Do you realize that most of you have all are out of ARC with the Marcab Confederacy at this time because you’re not saying anything to them. Somebody who is very Christian, extremely Christian you know, has to have permission to eat breakfast and has to have permission to eat lunch and then forgiven for the evening. You know, their life wholly turns on these little pivots will sooner or later in one lifetime or another listen for a moment after the prayer, you see, or something, and the circuit they’ve been using hasn’t spoken for some time. They get no acknowledgment. And they realize they’ve been talking all this time to the Big Thetan, you see? And nobody’s ever said a word. And they get madder than hell at the Catholic church, you know. And they start revolutions and burn popes and . . . It’s marvelous.” Hubbard, L. Ron. Lecture of 1 May 1962: ARC BREAKS AND MISSED WITHHOLDS.
Some relevant quotes from LRH regarding Scientology’s view of Catholicism and other religions which I have found while studying their books and lecture transcripts (which together officially comprise “the Scientology Scriptures”):
“There are vast organizations which work to slow the genetic line down. I won’t mention any names, because these organizations are well contributed to, um, and besides you shouldn’t say the name “Roman Catholic Church” on Sunday because Sunday’s a holy day.” L. Ron Hubbard. “Solution To Psychosis” a lecture given on 29 December 1956 in The Washington Congress On Anti-Radiation And Confront Lectures.
“Anyway, didn’t you know that, that Christianity is based upon the writings of Plato, and the Catholic Church at all times when challenged about its doctrines has uniformly referred to the authority called Plato? You understand I’m not… not in any way, sense or form against the Church. I think the Church is a good organization. But we got a better one now.” L. Ron Hubbard. “The Logics: Methods of Thinking” a lecture given on 4 December 1952 in the Philadelphia Doctorate Courses.
"Uh… TIME magazine is run by a Catholic, I think he is, or something, and I think it’s on the… on the uh… the magazine is published, and… by license of a papal bull. And uh… a fellow by the name of Luce runs this magazine; and I merely want this to be on a tape for the record for posterity. If this fellow ever turns up for processing he’s to be thrown in the clam. And put there very heavily and very strongly and left to go about his way. “The last person that was thrown violently into the clam lost all of his wisdom and molars. That’s right, that’s what happened.” L. Ron Hubbard. “ABOUT THE PRESS TONE LEVEL: PSYCHOMETRY” a lecture given on 18 December 1952 in the Philadelphia Doctorate Courses.
“However, engaging in long discourses, or trying to educate a minister of some Protestant church or a priest of the Catholic faith into the tenets of Scientology is not desirable and is directly contrary to Article 10 of the Code of a Scientologist.” L. Ron Hubbard. "The Scientologist: A Manual on the Dissemination of Material. Ability Magazine. Phoenix Arizona. 1955. - “10. To engage in no unseemly disputes with the uninformed on the subject of my profession.” [p. 388.] L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology 0-8. Los Angeles, CA. Bridge Publications, Inc. 2007.
from a drill “Using Buttons - Hate/Love” on how to handle Scientology’s perceived enemies: "e. General scene: a local Catholic bishop is causing many local attacks on the org. " 1. Send several FSMs over to the Catholic church to swear at him in confessionals. " 2. Connect him up to abortion end/or pornographic activities. " 3. Write the Pope an anonymous letter stating that the bishop is really a rabbi under cover. " 4. Spread a rumor around town that he’s against air pollution. "f. Mock up 5 similar examples as above on your own, noting the correct answer. "i. Third party a group to another group ensuring that you get as your product an observed conflict between the two. “j. Write up results.”
“There are many types of involuntary withholds. Do you realize that most of you have all are out of ARC with the Marcab Confederacy at this time because you’re not saying anything to them. Somebody who is very Christian, extremely Christian you know, has to have permission to eat breakfast and has to have permission to eat lunch and then forgiven for the evening. You know, their life wholly turns on these little pivots will sooner or later in one lifetime or another listen for a moment after the prayer, you see, or something, and the circuit they’ve been using hasn’t spoken for some time. They get no acknowledgment. And they realize they’ve been talking all this time to the Big Thetan, you see? And nobody’s ever said a word. And they get madder than hell at the Catholic church, you know. And they start revolutions and burn popes and . . . It’s marvelous.” Hubbard, L. Ron. Lecture of 1 May 1962: ARC BREAKS AND MISSED WITHHOLDS.
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