What is a "soul"

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The experience you describe may be a supernatural occurrence, it may be a private revelation, but it is not an instance of the soul separating itself from the body. When the soul separates from the body, that is death. The body does not live without the soul.

And yes, it is true, the soul, since it is a spirit, does not have extension in space or time. It is united to the body, and like any spiritual being we can say that it is where it acts. And it acts in space and time as the life principle of the body, while not occupying space or time.
Thank you for your response, JimG. I really appreciate the profound spiritual understanding of your posts. What do you mean by ‘extension’?

How do you explain Saint John the Apostle being taken up to heaven in the spirit? His body was left behind.
 
Thank you for your response, JimG. I really appreciate the profound spiritual understanding of your posts. What do you mean by ‘extension’?

How do you explain Saint John the Apostle being taken up to heaven in the spirit? His body was left behind.
Well, no. He was enabled to see Heaven, and part, at least of his mind was there; but his soul stayed in his body, because he did not die.

He was “out of his body” in the sense that he was seeing things without using the eyes of his body. But the soul remained embodied. You can’t become “soulless” and breathe.

ICXC NIKA
 
Well, no. He was enabled to see Heaven, and part, at least of his mind was there; but his soul stayed in his body, because he did not die.

He was “out of his body” in the sense that he was seeing things without using the eyes of his body. But the soul remained embodied. You can’t become “soulless” and breathe.

ICXC NIKA
I don’t understand how part of his mind was able to leave his body…

2 Corinthians 12:21

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know–God knows.

I am going to ask in Sacred Scripture and see what explanation people will give. Thanks, GEddie.
 
Thank you for your response, JimG. I really appreciate the profound spiritual understanding of your posts. What do you mean by ‘extension’?

How do you explain Saint John the Apostle being taken up to heaven in the sGodpirit? His body was left behind.
Ah, well, I can’t explain mystical experiences. Those are the work of God. And God may give some saints a vision of heaven (or hell, as at Fatima), but the mystical experience itself does not involve a dissociation of body and soul.

By “extension in space and time,” I mean that physical matter of the ordinary sort, spreads out in space–a body takes up space because it is made up of parts–and spreads itself out in time: it has duration over a period measured by clocks and change.

Spiritual beings, such as God, or angels, or the human soul, don’t extend in space and time because they are not made up of matter but of spirit. Spirit is a type of being which is “simple” because it is not made up of matter or energy, is not spread out in space or in time.

That’s a little confusing when it comes to the human soul, because the soul–a spiritual being–is intimately united to the body–a material being–so as to be one unitary being. Nothing can separate body from soul except death. (That separation is in fact the definition of death.)

Many saints have had mystical experiences. The ultimate mystical experience will occur in heave, when we are so united with God that our “idea” of him is replaced by God himself. No intermediating idea will be required.
 
Ah, well, I can’t explain mystical experiences. Those are the work of God. And God may give some saints a vision of heaven (or hell, as at Fatima), but the mystical experience itself does not involve a dissociation of body and soul.
I will stick with what the Bible says for now and Paul’s comment about not knowing and - God knows. It is not clear that the soul did not travel out of the body. A mystical experience or revelation lets say in what I experienced, could have simply been that I found myself near the borders of a hole that had been dug, but, this is not how it happened. I was taken in spirit out of my body down the winding roads and the guide respected private property. He/she/it could have very conveniently cut through some property to arrive at the destination quicker but the roads were taken up and down. I don’t know much but I will stick with that the soul can separate from the body and how the body is kept alive - God knows.

Saint John says that he was taken, he did not say that he saw a vision, or that something appeared to him or that he had a dream etc… he wrote that he was ‘taken up in spirit’. I believe him. How the body was kept alive? I don’t know - as Saint Paul said - God knows.

I once read a nice long thread on another forum about a blessed from Austria or Germany. I forget her name right now, but, she may have also had been taken in spirit to Turkey. I have not read the writings so I do not know if she writes as it was a revelation or as she was taken in spirit to the house where Mary lived with John in Turkey. It is due to this blessed’s experience that we know where Mary’s house is and many miracles have been know to have happened there. Again, I have not read her writings so I do not know if she writes as she was taken there or not or if it was a dream revelation etc…
By “extension in space and time,” I mean that physical matter of the ordinary sort, spreads out in space–a body takes up space because it is made up of parts–and spreads itself out in time: it has duration over a period measured by clocks and change.

Spiritual beings, such as God, or angels, or the human soul, don’t extend in space and time because they are not made up of matter but of spirit. Spirit is a type of being which is “simple” because it is not made up of matter or energy, is not spread out in space or in time.

That’s a little confusing when it comes to the human soul, because the soul–a spiritual being–is intimately united to the body–a material being–so as to be one unitary being. Nothing can separate body from soul except death. (That separation is in fact the definition of death.)
Confusing, indeed. I still do not understand. I know what spirit is but, I do not understand what you are trying to explain. It’s okay.

My bottom line, I am sticking with that the soul can separate from the body and return to the body.
 
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in the distinction between soul and spirit. Saint Theresa of Avila wrote that there is a distinction but did not expand - at least where I read.

I think we need to make the distinction between soul and spirit. Does anyone know what the difference is between soul and spirit?
 
As regards monistic systems generally, it belongs rather to cosmology to discuss them. We take our stand on the consciousness of individual personality, which consciousness is a distinct deliverance of our very highest faculties, growing more and more explicit with the strengthening of our moral and intellectual being. This consciousness is emphatic, as against the figments of a fallaciously abstract reason, in asserting the self-subsistence (and at the same time the finitude) of our being, i.e. it declares that we are independent inasmuch as we are truly persons or selves, not mere attributes or adjectives, while at the same time, by exhibiting our manifold limitations, it directs us to a higher Cause on which our being depends.

Such is the Catholic doctrine on the nature, unity, substantiality, spirituality, and origin of the soul. It is the only system consistent with Christian faith, and, we may add, morals, for both Materialism and Monism logically cut away the foundations of these. The foregoing historical sketch will have served also to show another advantage it possesses — namely, that it is by far the most comprehensive, and at the same time discriminating, synthesis of whatever is best in rival systems. It recognizes the physical conditions of the soul’s activity with the Materialist, and its spiritual aspect with the Idealist, while with the Monist it insists on the vital unity of human life. It enshrines the principles of ancient speculation, and is ready to receive and assimilate the fruits of modern research.
 
The “soul” is the person him/her self. The Bible states that when Adam was created he BECAME a living soul, it does not say that he was GIVEN a soul.
Please,check it out at Genesis 2:7
 
Your Soul (which is an objective truth) was infused into you by Our LORD, when you were conceived in your mothers tummy. It is destined for enternity, to be spent with Our GOD in heaven. However Free will was a gift that was given for you and your soul. As with regards, this is a realm that science cannot touch and never will. snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp, i urge you to read this story, and look it up, As with Descartes and Dualism (although i hope to study Philosophy next year to warm me up for seminary) i do not know much abouth although i am fascinated with Philosophy. Your soul is indestrutibile, and will spend an eternity either in heaven or hell. Now i hope i helped to some small degree (im still only 16), and also note, your SOUL was made in the image of GOD. Our HEAVENLY FATHER keeps your soul in existence, and please dont be so skeptical. Only Our LORD can give you what your soul needs. HIM.
I loved your reply and it shows wisdom well beyond your years - God Bless you!
 
The soul is what animates the body, what makes us “human” above the animal species, and it is infused in us by God at the moment of conception. When we are born, our soul is a “tabula rosa,” a “blank slate.” The soul consists of three “faculties” we term the Intellect, the*** Memory***, and the Will. (name removed by moderator)ut is given to these faculties by way of our five senses. In fact, nothing enters the soul any other way (which is why we monitor children reading bad books or television programming, etc. So, our souls are “informed.” What we call the human personality is indeed part of the soul, although this aspect is something from God at the time we are conceived. It may be altered throughout life by such things as a chemical imbalance, but essentially our personalities are set. God knows who we are from before birth and has already ordained the circumstances of our lives (who our parents are, the various ups and downs we experience, and has set us on the path He wishes for us to take, according to His grace, to be able to attain eternal salvation. An interesting aspect of the soul is that there are portions of it which the “bad spirits” (a term employed by Saint Ignatius of Loyola referencing Satan and the devils generally) can “attack” through temptation and not others, which only God can penetrate to assist us, or the “good spirits” or angels. The devil can influence, for example, the imagination (part of the intellect) although not the intellect itself, wherein the “reason” resides. This is why formation of conscience is so important. St. Ignatius even teaches us certain ways (in his Spiritual Exercises) to combat the Evil One through the awareness and understanding of what is happening to us when we experience spiritual disquietude. Also, how to recognize when Our Lord is working in us through his various consolations. This always goes on in the soul, and effects our moods, our response to God’s action in us, the decisions we make, etc., and so it’s something we should recognize and learn about. I’d like to add that, in life, one is always either moving* towards* God in his daily efforts, or away from God (hence, our attachment to “created things” more as we move away.) Knowing what our soul is, why we have one, and how we might help ourselves profit from knowing just a little about it, is well worth the effort. The Church provides us with this wonderful information (She is so good!) When one begins to see how one’s interior life is affected by grace or the devil, it opens one up to a whole new world of spiritual activity within us that, whether we are aware or not, does constantly go on within us. The world is a battleground between the forces of good and evil; the soul is the “prize” of the victor. It is, then, in our best interest to know who we are by familiarizing ourselves with our inner life. Psychology books will not permit this, as they negate the supernatural. I hope this helps a little.
 
I grew up Roman catholic and therefore have a sense of the meaning of the word “soul” as used and taught to RC’s like myself. However, now that I have had certain benefits of education, I am wondering if the word really has any real meaning. Here is my logic:
  1. It appears to me that the word “soul” is more or less understood as a sort of “ghost” within the human body, namely, the state, I believe, was described by Decartes, a duality of mind and body.
2.The problem, however, with this concept is that it doesn’t match up with reality because my personality, my memories, my rational functioning are all related to the physical body. I have a mode of behavior, for example, which I call my personality and it can be controlled or affected by chemicals or disease processes. Alzheimer patients, for example, are not the same “person” (if you will) post disease as they were pre-disease.

3… It seems to me, therefore, that the term “soul” really has no referent in reality. I submit that there is no “ghost in the machine”. Who can offer convincing proof that the human personality survives death when it cannot survive a lobotomy, for example?
I look forward to reading this thread. Rav Zacariah has a great pamphlet explaining the sould. It is written by JP Moreland. They are protestant but this pamphlet is not anti or incorrect Catholic theology. RZM Ministries.
 
I am not sure that you do see my point. You say I am not defining the soull correctly and hence do not understand it. You attempt to correct my uinderstanding by your belief that it is not two items but one with the body.

What is the soul if it is to be distinguished from the body, albeit in union with the body?

My point is that it has no definition. Rather, it seems to be a word that is loosely subsumed within idealized versions of “a spark” or “a spirit” or, the Cartesian " ghost within the machine"–or as you put it “the ultimate animating principle”. These definitions add nothing to the discourse. These definitions are not explanatory of the characteristics of the entity called “a soul”. For example, If the soul suffers torment or enjoys bliss after death, presumably it is of such a nature that it has feelings of some sort, yet the soul is thought to survive the corruption of the body and is not thought of as functioning from a predicate of the cerebral organ or physical. Yet this is so utterly contrary to what is known of sensation and the faculties which produce experience (consider once again the state of a lobotomized man).

How can a belief in something be justified when the thing believed in cannot be defined? I submit the term “soul” is in aid of our desire to survive death, and, its meaning is function of the need to find a basis to rationalize the belief. Some of Wittgenstein’s analysis of our use of language, perhaps, best explains my perception of how the term “memed” its way into our traditions.
 
The soul is what gives life to humans.Firstly,its essential structure forbids dissolution by death.Death is a disintegration of parts.Only composite things can die.yet the soul is not composite.Its power of immaterial thought proves its independence of matter.It cannot be touched by chemistry.

So basically you deny consciousness after death or rather expiration?The soul whilst in a state of union with the body operates by using the faculties of the body.If the sense instruments are incapacitated,the soul can no longer operate adequately whilst united to the body.But once released from the body,its intelligence and will and power to love at once assert themselves.

Hydrogen and oxygen unite to form a drop of water.They can operate as water only whilst united.Hydrogen is there,but it cannot operate as hydrogen until released from the union.Soul and body make one human being.And both elements must be fit to co-operate in a bodily human being.

The soul cannot operate separately as a distinct unit whilst still united.But once released,it can operate independently every bit as much as hydrogen when released from its essential union with oxygen to form water.
If I read the word “whilst” one more time I am going to blow myself up thereby incapacitating my soul’s effectiveness!
 
The soul is what animates the body, what makes us “human” above the animal species, and it is infused in us by God at the moment of conception. When we are born, our soul is a “tabula rosa,” a “blank slate.” The soul consists of three “faculties” we term the Intellect, the*** Memory***, and the Will. (name removed by moderator)ut is given to these faculties by way of our five senses. In fact, nothing enters the soul any other way (which is why we monitor children reading bad books or television programming, etc. So, our souls are “informed.” What we call the human personality is indeed part of the soul, although this aspect is something from God at the time we are conceived. It may be altered throughout life by such things as a chemical imbalance, but essentially our personalities are set. God knows who we are from before birth and has already ordained the circumstances of our lives (who our parents are, the various ups and downs we experience, and has set us on the path He wishes for us to take, according to His grace, to be able to attain eternal salvation. An interesting aspect of the soul is that there are portions of it which the “bad spirits” (a term employed by Saint Ignatius of Loyola referencing Satan and the devils generally) can “attack” through temptation and not others, which only God can penetrate to assist us, or the “good spirits” or angels. The devil can influence, for example, the imagination (part of the intellect) although not the intellect itself, wherein the “reason” resides. This is why formation of conscience is so important. St. Ignatius even teaches us certain ways (in his Spiritual Exercises) to combat the Evil One through the awareness and understanding of what is happening to us when we experience spiritual disquietude. Also, how to recognize when Our Lord is working in us through his various consolations. This always goes on in the soul, and effects our moods, our response to God’s action in us, the decisions we make, etc., and so it’s something we should recognize and learn about. I’d like to add that, in life, one is always either moving* towards* God in his daily efforts, or away from God (hence, our attachment to “created things” more as we move away.) Knowing what our soul is, why we have one, and how we might help ourselves profit from knowing just a little about it, is well worth the effort. The Church provides us with this wonderful information (She is so good!) When one begins to see how one’s interior life is affected by grace or the devil, it opens one up to a whole new world of spiritual activity within us that, whether we are aware or not, does constantly go on within us. The world is a battleground between the forces of good and evil; the soul is the “prize” of the victor. It is, then, in our best interest to know who we are by familiarizing ourselves with our inner life. Psychology books will not permit this, as they negate the supernatural. I hope this helps a little.
PPT,
Do the faculties differ from the parts of the soul. I thought that the soul has three parts will, desire, and intellect; or stomach, heart and head?
 
PPT,
Do the faculties differ from the parts of the soul. I thought that the soul has three parts will, desire, and intellect; or stomach, heart and head?
Not parts, rather faculties, or abilities. But those abilities are only exercised in a living human head and body.

Also, I heard the 3 are will, intellect and memory, not “desire” at least according to S. Augustine.

ICXC NIKA
 
Could it be that Saint John the Apostle was ‘taken’ in spirit and his soul was left behind in the body?

Hebrews 4:12
12 For wthe word of God is living and xactive, ysharper than any ztwo-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and adiscerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart

Of course, nothing stops God from keeping the body alive. The body is suppose to rut without a soul yet we have many incorruptibles. To say, that even if it was John soul’s (verses spirit) that was taken it cannot be said definitely that it is impossible.

I find it interesting that when ‘taken’ the spirit/soul is able to see and this without physical eyes.

I guess the spirit is what is nourished with the Eucharist and by reading Sacred Scripture, but also the soul. But the spirit is what knows God…:hmmm:

1 Corinthians 2:14-15
New International Version (NIV)
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
 
I always used the analogy of we are a computer. Our body is the hardware, Mind is the Software, and the Power cord is the Soul. The power that runs through that cord comes from God as he is our sustainer and maintainer without him we would not exist. I don’t know if this is exactly how the Church would describe it but I think it sounds perfect.
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  I have actually developed this idea of Soul as software and even contributed it to this website sometime ago but all I got was silence. I am submitting this again in this forum and I hope somebody would take time to read it and make a response somehow. 
  Here goes:
MAKING SENSE OF THE CONCEPT OF THE HUMAN SOUL
A Lay Person’s Speculation
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Pio G. Yap, Jr.
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Although I profess to believe in the existence of our soul, not being a theologian or a phi-losopher, I am not sure that I understand what it is at all. The dictionary tells us that it is the spi-ritual part of the person. But what is spirit? Why is it immortal? Or is it?

Theologians tell us a thousand times that the human soul includes his intellect and will. Not being a theologian or a philosopher I find it difficult to appreciate and much less to be ex-cited by this explanation. I tried to read this thread assiduously and repeatedly but my lack of training or intellectual tools keeps me frustrated. 

Being exposed to science and some computer concepts this is my humble attempt to make sense of this ancient notion in the light of concepts that we are now familiar with. I have tried to present this to some people but nobody would make any comment about it. I even contributed this to a thread in Catholic Answers which heatedly discussed about the existence or non-existence of soul. All it did (I think) was cut short the said thread.
Some Axioms
It is a fact that most people believe in God. And it is not an exaggeration to say that many thinkers are theists. For sure, thinkers have their own notion about God which may vary with each individual. It is safe to say that many men of science are Christians and therefore we can assume that they hold about the same set of views of the idea of God as most Christians do. Two of these views which are the centerpiece of this thesis are that God exists for all eternity and that God is omniscient or All-Knowing.
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It would not be unreasonable therefore to use these tenets as the basic axioms to serve as the starting points of this thesis: That an eternal God exists and that He is omniscient. (This is Biblical. But let us start this thesis in the spirit of science.) 

Before proceeding with our discussion, allow me first to present what can be considered as a self-evident axiom: 
        Each physical object contains the sum total of its own software.
Explanation: Consider a particular pencil. What information does it contain? It has its length, color, the amount and kind of wood it has, the amount and kind of lead in it, where the wood and its other entire component come from, and all the enumerable information contained in it. In other words, it contains all the information of what it is; and it alone has this complete in-formation Hence it contains its own software.

As software, it can be stored in a memory bank. For the complete software of an object as simple as a pencil, it may not be humanly possible to gather all its information and store it in even the most sophisticated memory bank.

But there is a memory bank that is perfect and inherently stores all the software of all that can be found in the universe. This is the memory of an omniscient God.
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I state now as a corollary: that a person consists of a set of information. 

Then at the risk of sounding like someone having read and seen too many science fictions, I ask the reader’s indulgence and bear with me and decide later whether or not what follows make sense: The human soul includes all the information that makes a person who he is. In modern language therefore, we can think of the soul as software. 

I find this definition to lead to some significant implications.
The key idea here is that God is omniscient. That is, God knows everything and for-gets nothing. In the language of science we can state that the idea that God is omniscient implies that information is conserved.

It may completely boggle the human imagination that in attributing to God the omniscient nature, we accept the notion that this Supreme Being has perfect knowledge of all the particles in the universe –from the largest to the smallest, for all time. As soon as God loses track of a single electron in the universe, He ceases to be the omniscient God that He is. He also ceases to be om-nipotent in the sense that He loses control of that single electron.

Based on this concept, some of our Christian doctrines about the soul becomes much more plausible and therefore, easier to appreciate.
  1. The soul is immortal
    In the same manner that we can say that an object contains its own software, so does a human person’s body. This software we identify earlier as the human soul.
The human soul as software includes not just the information on the body (which we may consider as the hardware) but it includes the memory, intellect, emotion, the subconscious, and all the experiences of the person from conception until the very present or until death.

People usually ask, where does a person’s soul reside? Is it in the brain? If our thesis is correct, then it is not just in the brain, but throughout his entire body because it is in the entire body that the information about the whole person is found.

This resonates uncannily with what the Catholic Church teaches about the soul: “The uni-ty of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the ‘form’ of the body.” (The Catechism of the Catholic Church, Sect. 365).

The soul as software resides in a memory bank. This memory bank is no less than God’s memory. This is not to relegate the soul (especially when the body dies) to some far-way inac-cessible vault. For God is present everywhere and at all time. Therefore, to say that the soul as software is in God’s memory bank is to say that the soul exists.
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From this, it follows that since God never forgets, then the soul must be immortal. When the body dies, the entire human software or soul remains in God’s memory. As Christians, we believe that even in this state, the soul retains its self-awareness.
  1. The doctrine of hell
    This concept answers for us the hard doctrine of the eternal damnation of the unjust. For some people, the idea of hell contradicts the tenet that God is merciful. Admittedly, it is difficult to reconcile this idea with the teaching that God punishes an evil person to eternal suffering. Is it not more merciful to wipe a person’s soul out of existence?
The problem is that the idea of God reducing an existent soul to non-existence is not con-sistent with the more basic tenet that God is All-knowing. God cannot eliminate a single bit of information from His memory. To do so would be contrary to His nature as all knowing. It fol-lows therefore that the soul of a person, no matter how evil, must remain forever intact in the Di-vine memory bank. That state may be what we call hell. Hell therefore is the inherent everlasting existence of a human soul who, by choice, remains incorrigibly evil. More reasonably, theologians tell us that hell is the state of being alienated from God. To say that God may annihilate such a damned soul is equivalent to saying that God may delete such software from His memory. This is to indulge in an illogical proposition. It is also unbiblical.
  1. The resurrection of the body
    As software, the soul includes the information of a person’s memories, emotions and his-tory. But more than this, the soul includes the information of the complete design of the person’s body as encoded in its DNA.

    All these are not only stored but are also completely understood by the all-knowing Crea-tor. It would be quaint therefore, for a person to exist for all eternity as a soul only, all the time carrying within, all the information pertaining to his/her body. He or she would only be half the creature he was created to be. It is reasonable to believe therefore, that the Master Engineer will rebuild our body on the basis of the complete blueprint that our soul provides. This time, the er-rors in the blue print, which are the causes of imperfections of some people’s bodies here on earth, will be corrected. (Even human engineers correct errors and bugs as they find them in the process of constructing any gadget.)

    Where would God get the material to rebuild a person’s body during the Last Judgement? This question is easily answered by considering that, given its blueprint, even a human engineer can easily build up a computer or any gadget for that matter. We must remember that the universe is an overwhelming source of matter –the stuff our bodies are made of.

    What is difficult to answer is: given that our resurrected bodies are made up of matter, how would it be prevented from deteriorating again? Would the Law of Entropy be abolished by the Creator? In other word, why would it be immortal? How would it be prevented from perishing in an accidental catastrophe? How could it survive the violent end of the solar system as projected by scientists?
    (More to follow…)
 
Continuation of my previous post
Let us consider the data of our human existence as present science reveals to us. We are told that we are using only a small percentage of our human capacity as we live our earthly lives. And this is true even of the most intelligent and active of human beings on earth. We see a glimpse of this potential when we consider our subconscious mind where all our experiences (e.g. what we see, feel, hear, taste and smell, including what we emotionally feel) are buried. We also see a glimpse of our capability when we consider some well-documented paranormal phenomena. The well known case of Padre Pio’s prodigies is one of these. Think of our power to ‘see’ when we are able to exercise our intuition. Even some autistic people are able to demonstrate wondrous ability to make arithmetical computations or memorization. While we consider these as aberration, are they not indications of our mind’s hidden capability?
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It is reasonable to expect that a person’s resurrected body would completely be able to access these buried talents. Otherwise, why would God put them there? 

Even in the physical sphere, given the earth being populated by god-like resurrected people, it is not difficult to imagine the capability of surviving any catastrophe that may happen to the planet a billion years hence.
  1. The existence of the human soul upon conception
    Even as a single celled organism right after fertilization, geneticists tell us that the ferti-lized egg includes its complete DNA as its main component. We know, of course, that the DNA is not just a meaningless piece of particle. Its genetic code is a software (a marvelously pro-grammed software at that) that embodies encyclopedic information and instruction on how a per-son from that single cell would grow up to be. A trained geneticist would be able to tell of some of the physical and mental make up of the individual that will emerge from that cell. God would be able to tell far more than the greatest geneticist about the nature and potential of a fertilized egg. Perhaps this is one sense in which it can be said that the human soul is infused on it upon fertilization.

    The significance of that fertilized egg may be illustrated as follows:

    Suppose that a researcher discovers an unpublished musical composition of Beethoven.
    He announces his discovery to the world, showing proof beyond reasonable doubt of its authen-ticity. Later on he announces that he did not think much about his discovery and he is going to burn it. How would the people of the world react? We can just imagine the exasperation, anger and other violent emotions that will greet such a patently foolish decision.

    It is not an exaggeration to say that the harmony, ingenuity and complexity of the soft-ware encoded in a fertilized egg’s DNA is far greater than the greatest masterpiece of any genius. Furthermore, it is unique. Yet many intelligent and educated people don’t think much about it. Some would consider it as a mere blob of tissue even when already a few weeks old. They be-lieve that destroying it is not a big deal.

    The question is, once a fertilized egg is aborted, would it ever acquire consciousness?

    This may be answered by the following hypothetical situation: A highly intelligent and scientific person has gotten hold of complex blueprint for a unique Artificial Intelligence device. His analytical mind convinces him that, when realized, the device would be far more superior to anything that has been done by the state-of-the-art technology. And it is within his capability to build the device. The question is, will he build it? The answer is of course obvious.

    This is not a proof that God will really do it. That is, develop a fertilized egg into a con-scious being. But it gives added plausibility that God will do it. Being perfect, He would not do things by half measure or by 0.001% measure. Everything that God has started will somehow be completed.
  2. Spirit as software
    Going back to the beginning of this article we asked: What is spirit? What is soul?

    Soul applies to man and maybe, all living things. It includes the information about its ma-terial part –the body. On the other hand it is not difficult to imagine beings that are made up purely of software. This is how we can imagine angels. Angels therefore are pure spirit. When a person is alive, his soul is intimately mingled with his body. When he dies, his soul becomes pure spirit.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the human soul is infused by God right at the moment of conception. Is the process of “infusion” equivalent to saying that the en-tire DNA which makes up a person’s overall potential is now in existence? Or is there more? Not being a theologian or a philosopher I can not answer this question. So I leave this open.

    If a man of science believes in the omniscience of God, then this may be a bridge be-tween his science and his religion.
  3. Conclusion
    Although I am not a theologian, I dare point out that what I write in this article is an echo of what St. John the Evangelist wrote about God Himself:

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. …And the Word was made flesh.
    John 1:1-3, 14

    Far be it for me to be blasphemous or disrespectful and it is not the intention of this piece to degrade the Evangelist’s magnificent language; but in this passage, St. John seems to suggest that the nature of God Himself is software.

    Perhaps this is one sense of the Christian teaching that man is in the image of God.
 
Could it be that Saint John the Apostle was ‘taken’ in spirit and his soul was left behind in the body?

Hebrews 4:12
12 For wthe word of God is living and xactive, ysharper than any ztwo-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and adiscerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart

Of course, nothing stops God from keeping the body alive. The body is suppose to rut without a soul yet we have many incorruptibles. To say, that even if it was John soul’s (verses spirit) that was taken it cannot be said definitely that it is impossible.

I find it interesting that when ‘taken’ the spirit/soul is able to see and this without physical eyes.

I guess the spirit is what is nourished with the Eucharist and by reading Sacred Scripture, but also the soul. But the spirit is what knows God…:hmmm:

1 Corinthians 2:14-15
New International Version (NIV)
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
Great to see you participating in this thread, Abba. 🙂
 
To me the soul is that part of a person that is self aware, that experiences emotions, thinks and voluntarily controls the body (at least most times).

The fact that our souls are immortal and we survive physical death proves that the soul can and does exist without the body (after death). It doesn’t seem like the body can exist without the soul (who knows what happens when folks claim to have an out of body eexperience - maybe the soul can bilocate), but the soul certainly can exist without a body.

The spirit of a person seems to be the same entity as the soul. I think the terms are interchangeable.
 
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