The “Hail, King of the Jews” is a mockery, but a mockery using an actual royal greeting. So Hail is indeed appropriate here. Although used mockingly, it is used in its proper sense.
No, Jesus did not say “chaire” to Mary Magdalene or to the women.
“Hail Mary, what’s up?” (Sister Act reference right there)Yo Mary has a certain ring to it.
) and the exclamation lā.
Fun fact: (the ancestor of ‘yea’, ‘yes’ and ‘yeah’).yoyaye Yeah, yo.I’m not sure what yo means either.
Yes, the angel Gabriel was actually describing to Mary the current weather conditions.Falling ice???
ICXC NIKA
Reminds me of how i drive sometimes. God must like to take the scenic route.
:angel1: :snowing:Yes, the angel Gabriel was actually describing to Mary the current weather conditions.
καὶ ἰδοὺ Ἰησοῦς ὑπήντησεν αὐταῖς λέγων· Χαίρετε. αἱ δὲ προσελθοῦσαι ἐκράτησαν αὐτοῦ τοὺς πόδας καὶ προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ.
I stand corrected. I missed the context.
I think you are right here. It doesn’t make sense that they would be saying rejoice or be glad in this context to mock him. But it is more a salute to a king. Or mock hommage.
Looking at the entry you quoted, I believe the dictionary is tracing the first recorded use of “ave” as an English word to the 13th century. No lexicographer would be ill-informed enough to think that the Latin ave originated several centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire, but it seems there was a period in which “ave” was adopted as a Middle English word.
Me too. I thought he was talking to his disciples. But is Jesus using hail the same way as the angel Gabriel did or during the mocking of Jesus? It doesn’t seem appropriate that Jesus would be acclaiming or paying homage to the women. And then the women worship him.
The verb chairo (χαιρω) has several different meanings. It occurs 74 times in the NT, according to the Bible Hub online concordance. As you can see (link below), it’s usually translated as “rejoice” or “be glad”. In the sense of “to greet”, or as a form of greeting, it appears about a dozen times only, or roughly one-sixth of the total number of occurrences.
No, clearly from the context, he isn’t. I spot-checked some modern translations and found that they simply render the passage as “He greeted them” or something along those lines. The RSV simply says “Hail!”
However my beef with the Dictionary quotation is that it completely omits the true origin of the word, perhaps an important information when we are discussing ancient greeting words in Koine Greek, Aramaic and Latin all languages that predate English by EONS.
Yes, I think you’ve put your finger on the key point. In English we feel it’s appropriate to use a more casual form of greeting in some contexts than in others, but the unwritten rules of etiquette governing decisions of that kind probably aren’t the same in any two languages. When we read the Bible in English we can be confident that the translators have made due allowance for these rules and will have taken the trouble to use different English words, in different social situations, to translate a single word in the original Greek or Hebrew. But we shouldn’t read too much into that. It tells us something about the peculiarities of the English language, but no more than that. It’s not giving us any meaningful information about shades of meaning in the original languages: how the angel Gabriel actually addressed Mary in Aramaic or Hebrew, or what the soldiers actually said in Latin or Greek when they were mocking Jesus.
Yes, I think you’ve put your finger on the key point. In English we feel it’s appropriate to use a more casual form of greeting in some contexts than in others, but the unwritten rules of etiquette governing decisions of that kind probably aren’t the same in any two languages. When we read the Bible in English we can be confident that the translators have made due allowance for these rules and may have taken the trouble to use different English words, in different social situations, to translate a single word in the original Greek or Hebrew. But we shouldn’t read too much into that. It tells us something about the peculiarities of the English language, but no more than that. It’s not giving us any meaningful information about shades of meaning in the original languages: the word that the angel Gabriel used when he addressed Mary in Aramaic or Hebrew, or what the soldiers actually said in Latin or Greek when they were mocking Jesus.