What is a "traditional" catholic

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Any Baptized person who professes the entirety of the Catholic faith and is in communion with his lawful pastors is a traditional Catholic
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QuicumqueVult said:
Traditional as a qualifier of Catholic is a redundancy. Those who consider themselves ‘traditional Catholic’ as a means of distinguishing themselves from other Catholics in communion with the Bishop of Rome seem rather akin to many whose errors prompted the Protestant Reformation. (‘We decide what is true religion based on some set of criteria we construct according to the authority of certain sources we consult.’).

I like Latin better than English, especially the pop pedestrianism of the Novum Ordo. But the ICEL are about to produce a better English translation (eg, ‘Et cum spiritu tuo’ will be ‘And with your spirit.’)

Remember: not all tradition is infallible. Only Apostolic Tradition is infallible as such. This of course includes much that is promulgated by the Pope, and bishops in communion with him in an Ecumenical Council, so it does develop, in the Newmanian sense. But the Friday fast and Tridentine Rite are not as such apostolic but disciplinary and liturgical traditions, respectively.
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Which is why I tend to state that I am an Historic Catholic.
I don’t need to look to the early church or change what has been done for the majority of our history.

Not for a couple hundred years after Christ or for the last 40.
 
buffalo said:
’Bishop, I Have the Pope on Line One’
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At this writing the document has not been released, and no one at the Vatican who has read it has leaked its full contents. One thing is certain, however: With this document the pope is undermining the monopoly the progressives have had on parish life. For the first time in a long time Catholics who have clung to the traditional teachings of the Church and cherished the traditional liturgy will have a place they can call home**.
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Karin said:
At this writing the document has not been released, and no one at the Vatican who has read it has leaked its full contents. One thing is certain, however: With this document the pope is undermining the monopoly the progressives have had on parish life. For the first time in a long time Catholics who have clung to the traditional teachings of the Church and cherished the traditional liturgy will have a place they can call home**.
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Can’t he just do it a little quicker? We’ve been waiting fourty years. Kinda like Moses leading the Israelites around in circles in the desert.
 
They look at the documents of VII and not the “Spirit of Vatican II” and expect their Holy Mass to be by the documents.
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The “spirit of V2” is whatever the “living magesterium” decided it to be…who are you or any other layman to say “they didn’t do it right” or “against the true spirit of the Council”.

Why should I trust your judgment as to what the “true spirit” of the Council should be…how do you know?
 
gorman64 said:
The “spirit of V2” is whatever the “living magesterium” decided it to be…who are you or any other layman to say “they didn’t do it right” or “against the true spirit of the Council”.

Why should I trust your judgment as to what the “true spirit” of the Council should be…how do you know?
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Read the documents, don’t listen to those who state they know. If you find things differently, come back and tell us.
The documents state the truth. And that is what I know. Not what some member of a liturgical committee tells me.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
Read the documents, don’t listen to those who state they know. If you find things differently, come back and tell us.
The documents state the truth. And that is what I know. Not what some member of a liturgical committee tells me.
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But the documents are intrepreted only by the living magisterium. They are not intrepreted by the laity…in any sense. Who are we to say they intrepreted the documents wrong…did Paul VI just get it wrong when he changed the Mass…or when he approved the almost complete destruction of the propers of the Mass?
 
is a “traditional” catholic the same as SSPX or a sedevacantist?

if not, whats the difference?
this is all so confusing:confused:
 
paramedicgirl said:
Can’t he just do it a little quicker? We’ve been waiting fourty years. Kinda like Moses leading the Israelites around in circles in the desert.
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How many thousands of years did Israel wait for its messiah? And haven’t wewaited another 2,000 since then for His second coming?

Even 40 years looks more and more like nothing.
 
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Stu said:
I actually don’t care for the term but I do understand its usefulness. I’m sure I am often referred to as a “traditional Catholic” but I consider myself just “Catholic”. Those who don’t want to follow tradition or the teachings and precepts of Christ and His Church should have the qualifier on them.
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