What is a Visionary?

[TrueLight]

A woman I met at mass and told about my situation with the baptism told me to give her my full name and she will ask her friend who is in the Philippines and who is a “visionary” for advice.

What is a visionary?

I hope it’s nothing like psychic or witch doctor?

 

[ClayPots47]

A visionary is someone who receives visions/apparitions as part of personal/private revelation. However, there are many false visions/apparitions and false visionaries, it is essential to carefully discern the spirit that is the source behind the visions/apparition. Is it the Holy Spirit, the human spirit or possibly even an evil spirit? Such people must submit themselves to the authority of Holy Mother Church, and be obedient to her even if what she, through her representatives (bishops and priests) contradict the messages of the visions. A true visionary will obey without question. If it is truly of God, nothing will stop it; an obedient visionary is a patient one, trusting that if the visions are of God, that God will remove any obstacles to the message. Disobedience to the Church is a clear sign of a false visionary.

A true visionary does not have visions that contradict Church teaching. I would not ask a visionary for advice without consulting one or more priests. If the visionary contradicts the priests and Church teaching, you must reject their advice. If the advice does not conflict with Church teaching, and a priest says it is okay to follow, than you may follow it if you wish, just as you might follow anyone’s advice that is compatible with Church teaching. You are safer to follow a priests advice, since if the priest is wrong, it is he who must answer for it. A visionary can lead one into apostasy, if the advice is incorrect. This is why the local ordinary (Bishop) of the diocese where a visionary resides, carefully examines and weighs the evidence regarding the authenticity of the visionary and any alleged apparitions. If the decision is neutral, we must proceed with caution; if negative, we must the visions altogether.

 

[MarkThompson]

A woman I met at mass and told about my situation with the baptism told me to give her my full name and she will ask her friend who is in the Philippines and who is a “visionary” for advice.

What is a visionary?

I hope it’s nothing like psychic or witch doctor?

Please do not take part; it is a sin to participate in activities like fortune-telling and divination. There is no doubt that this woman’s acquaintance is a fraud; no legitimate Catholic visionary in history ever offered private “readings” or “predictions” for people.

 

[TrueLight]

Please do not take part; it is a sin to participate in activities like fortune-telling and divination. There is no doubt that this woman’s acquaintance is a fraud; no legitimate Catholic visionary in history ever offered private “readings” or “predictions” for people.

Okay. That’s what I felt. I tend to be skeptical of these kinds of things anyway and want no part of them, but I thought I’d ask.

 

[TrueLight]

A true visionary does not have visions that contradict Church teaching. I would not ask a visionary for advice without consulting one or more priests. If the visionary contradicts the priests and Church teaching, you must reject their advice.

Yeah, this would be more of a he-said, third party situation. Trust me. I want no part of anything that is like fortune telling.

 

[Planty_Pall]

A woman I met at mass and told about my situation with the baptism told me to give her my full name and she will ask her friend who is in the Philippines and who is a “visionary” for advice.

What is a visionary?

I hope it’s nothing like psychic or witch doctor?

There is nothing in Catholic Tradition which even remotely suggests that Catholics have to believe in everything somebody says to you after Mass. Depending on what was said, Catholic Tradition might even require that you reject what someone says to you after Mass.

 

[thistle]

Please do not take part; it is a sin to participate in activities like fortune-telling and divination. There is no doubt that this woman’s acquaintance is a fraud; no legitimate Catholic visionary in history ever offered private “readings” or “predictions” for people.

I totally agree with you. Here in the Philippines we have a plague of so-called visionaries. They are all frauds.

 

[TrueLight]

I totally agree with you. Here in the Philippines we have a plague of so-called visionaries. They are all frauds.

Oh! Tell me more. That is where the woman is from.

Is there a mixing of Catholic and traditional religions as there is in Cathololicism/Santeria, Catholicism/voodoo, etc?

 

[thistle]

Oh! Tell me more. That is where the woman is from.

Is there a mixing of Catholic and traditional religions as there is in Cathololicism/Santeria, Catholicism/voodoo, etc?

No its not like that.

Its ironic that we have here a country of devout Catholics who are largely ignorant about their faith and most do not even know that superstition and divination is a sin, never mind a grave sin. I hardly know any filipinos who have not from time to time consulted fortune tellers and people who visit property (land) to be purchased to tell the prospective buyer if the piece of land is a lucky one.

 

[TrueLight]

No its not like that.

Its ironic that we have here a country of devout Catholics who are largely ignorant about their faith and most do not even know that superstition and divination is a sin, never mind a grave sin. I hardly know any filipinos who have not from time to time consulted fortune tellers and people who visit property (land) to be purchased to tell the prospective buyer if the piece of land is a lucky one.

Ah. I see. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[pablope]

No its not like that.

Its ironic that we have here a country of devout Catholics who are largely ignorant about their faith and most do not even know that superstition and divination is a sin, never mind a grave sin. I hardly know any filipinos who have not from time to time consulted fortune tellers and people who visit property (land) to be purchased to tell the prospective buyer if the piece of land is a lucky one.

The visionary is most likely a fortune teller with some sort of cards, and is allegedly able to tell the future. I agree with Thistle…ignore it.

Yep, there is a lot of superstition there. These were passed on from family practices from our forebears, and usually, the women would learn it from their mothers, who learned it from their mother and so forth.

One of them, is placing the hair of your children between the pages of the Bible, so that they will grow to be good. I told my wife not to do it, and instead, trust in our piety and the Lord to raise good children. After some arguments, she finally relented and stopped the practice.

 

[Lormar]

I totally agree with you. Here in the Philippines we have a plague of so-called visionaries. They are all frauds.

Don’t you have that woman there (her name escapes me - oh! Julia Kim?) that I saw pictures of blood dripping out of her mouth - she claims that is from the Host in her mouth!

 

[pablope]

Don’t you have that woman there (her name escapes me - oh! Julia Kim?) that I saw pictures of blood dripping out of her mouth - she claims that is from the Host in her mouth!

I think she is korean or japanese.

 

[Lormar]

Thanks, Pablope.

Never mind, Thistle!

 

[ClayPots47]

Don’t you have that woman there (her name escapes me - oh! Julia Kim?) that I saw pictures of blood dripping out of her mouth - she claims that is from the Host in her mouth!

Julia Kim is from Naju, Korea. And there is a case of a false apparition, as the Church has made a strongly negative decision regarding the purported Naju phenomena. One to avoid right there. Visionaries seem to be popping up everywhere, and the majority are proving to be false. The situation has caused the Vatican to consider an initiative to guide the bishops in examining alleged visionaries by the use of competent professionals, including those who are atheists, in order to have an impartial viewpoint. I can hardly wait until Pope Benedict gets this going, a lot of the false apparition sites will be finally shut down. Considering what other posters are telling you regarding visionaries in the Philippines, you would well to avoid any involvement.

 

[Lormar]

Julia Kim is from Naju, Korea. And there is a case of a false apparition, as the Church has made a strongly negative decision regarding the purported Naju phenomena. One to avoid right there. Visionaries seem to be popping up everywhere, and the majority are proving to be false. The situation has caused the Vatican to consider an initiative to guide the bishops in examining alleged visionaries by the use of competent professionals, including those who are atheists, in order to have an impartial viewpoint. I can hardly wait until Pope Benedict gets this going, a lot of the false apparition sites will be finally shut down. Considering what other posters are telling you regarding visionaries in the Philippines, you would well to avoid any involvement.

Is this post directed at me? In particular your last sentence?

If so, whatever gave you the idea that I was a chaser of alleged visionaries?