What is being said in REV:2:1-7?

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There is another theory about Chapters 1-3 of Revelation that I found interesting. Those three chapters are markedly different from the rest of Revelation; they are the letters to the churches. The rest of Revelation is the apocalyptic endtimes material.

According to this theory, originally, the letters to the churches were a book in themselves or at least a fragment of a book that is now lost. At some time during the process of putting together the NT, these letters were attached to the main book of Revelation.

I’m not saying I agree with this or anything, but I found it interesting.
🙂 Hello I was just wondering where you got your information about the first few chapters being attachd to the rest of th book of Rev.?Did you read the other posts here ?jcrichton just posted something real interesting about the early church being called the Way in Psalms 139 I believe it’s at the end. These facts are extremly important to understand Rev. love of Christ Nancy:thumbsup:
 
Hi Ryan if that is so then Rev.:12 would be invalid,an I cannot see the Lord repeating anything.
Why?
He destroyed the Temple twice already.
Do you believe the Temple must be rebuilt before Christ returns?
He will not destroy the earth by water again,
I was speaking about the imagery in the book of Revelation only, and not all of salvation history.
and if satan was in prison there would have been peace for a thousand years and that hasn’t happened yet has it?
Does “not deceive the nations” literally mean a utopian peace where nothing bad ever happens?

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his property, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house. (Mat 12:28-29)

Do you see what Jesus says about the kingdom, and that He has tied up Satan and is plundering his house.
And why would only Rev. repeat and not any other book?
It might not.
Also Rev.:13:7-10 hasn’t happened yet where the whole world was captive and forced to take the Mark (but it’s going to) Love of Christ Nancy
Peace
The known world during the writing of the Apocalypse was the Roman empire. Nero rigorously enforced emperor worship on the entire empire. If one did not comply they were marked for death. Simple trade became impossibe without submitting to the worship. Even the Sanhedrin was forced to offer sacrifice to Nero in the Temple in order to survive. And when they refused to offer the daily sacrifice dedicated to Nero (in July of 66 A.D.) Rome declared war and marked them for death.
 
I think the best analysis of Revelation is Scott Hahn’s book" The Lamb’s Supper" there you get an entire picture of the text as a whole, rather than worrying about line by line interpretation. If there is a Navarre Bible on Revelation by Ignatius Press that would also be a good source; I’m not sure if there is one on Revelation, though. [www.salvationhistory.com. thanks for the new site www.scripturecatholic.com, will have to check it out at length asap. God Bless:signofcross:
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🙂 Hello I was just wondering where you got your information about the first few chapters being attachd to the rest of th book of Rev.?Did you read the other posts here ?jcrichton just posted something real interesting about the early church being called the Way in Psalms 139 I believe it’s at the end. These facts are extremly important to understand Rev. love of Christ Nancy:thumbsup:
I read it in a book by an Episcopal priest. His last name is Spong and I can’t recall his first name :o . I just thought it was an interesting opinion.
 
Why?
He destroyed the Temple twice already.
Do you believe the Temple must be rebuilt before Christ returns?

I was speaking about the imagery in the book of Revelation only, and not all of salvation history.

Does “not deceive the nations” literally mean a utopian peace where nothing bad ever happens?

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his property, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house. (Mat 12:28-29)

Do you see what Jesus says about the kingdom, and that He has tied up Satan and is plundering his house.

It might not.

The known world during the writing of the Apocalypse was the Roman empire. Nero rigorously enforced emperor worship on the entire empire. If one did not comply they were marked for death. Simple trade became impossibe without submitting to the worship. Even the Sanhedrin was forced to offer sacrifice to Nero in the Temple in order to survive. And when they refused to offer the daily sacrifice dedicated to Nero (in July of 66 A.D.) Rome declared war and marked them for death.
😉 Hi,are you talking about the entire world at that time? All of existance? Every country in the world? Nancy:confused:
 
the 7 churches are the whole Church about to undergo severe persecution. Tested in fire. The meaning of the rest of the book becomes known as the world responds to the christian as it did Jesus. The process of sanctification is the meaning of passing the test, receiving a name written on a white stone…etc
 
the 7 churches are the whole Church about to undergo severe persecution. Tested in fire. The meaning of the rest of the book becomes known as the world responds to the christian as it did Jesus. The process of sanctification is the meaning of passing the test, receiving a name written on a white stone…etc
🙂 Hi Benadam,Do you think it will be a Government that will impose this treatment are we talking about the one world system? Where one man or president rules the whole world and he is anti Christ and put’s the church through pursecution and death,because of his beliefs? Nancy
 
🙂 Hi Benadam,Do you think it will be a Government that will impose this treatment are we talking about the one world system? Where one man or president rules the whole world and he is anti Christ and put’s the church through pursecution and death,because of his beliefs? Nancy
Yes, but not as most people see it. As people abandone the religons and God they think they make worship an obsolete act. They aren’t realizing that all they are abandoning is the conscious worship of an image of good. For us christians it’s even an image made visible. Humans inherently seek out an image of good to form themselves a likeness too. It’s a part of our nature to do this consciously or unconsciously.

With the abandonement of religions the state becomes the arbitor of good as it sifts the static from the airwaves for revelation.

As the nations around the world become interdependent the rise of a dominant image is inneviteable. Well, it is already happening . You can see a prevailing mindset among the dominant nations I’m sure?

The age of peace before antichrist is an age of self sufficiency and prosperous enablement of sin seemingly with no consequence.

The prevailing image of good will become institutionalized.

Eventually the true faith will not even be heard. Not that it won’t be expressed but no one but the few of faith will be able to hear it.

All that will accept it will have, and no one who prefers deception can change their mind.

A man will claim to be the personification of the image of good now institutionalized, will rise up and claim to be all of the people of the world as one man. One like a son of man. He will embody the soul and will of the entire faithless world.

At this time the earth will begin it’s protest. " quiet these and the very stones will cry out"
 
🙂 Hi Benadam,Do you think it will be a Government that will impose this treatment are we talking about the one world system? Where one man or president rules the whole world and he is anti Christ and put’s the church through pursecution and death,because of his beliefs? Nancy
Hi, Nancy!

When Jesus spoke about the anti-Christ He meant both Satan and his followers; the Apostles understood that the anti-Christ had been revealed as both Satan and his minion (1 St. John 2:18-19, 22; 1 St. John 4:2-3; 2 St. John 1:7)–so it could well be that the anti-Christ is not one single person (president/dictator) but many who become (as we can see within the US, the Euro union, Islamic factions, etc.) aligned with values that are clearly anti-Christian in nature.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Yes, but not as most people see it. As people abandone the religons and God they think they make worship an obsolete act. They aren’t realizing that all they are abandoning is the conscious worship of an image of good. For us christians it’s even an image made visible. Humans inherently seek out an image of good to form themselves a likeness too. It’s a part of our nature to do this consciously or unconsciously.

With the abandonement of religions the state becomes the arbitor of good as it sifts the static from the airwaves for revelation.

As the nations around the world become interdependent the rise of a dominant image is inneviteable. Well, it is already happening . You can see a prevailing mindset among the dominant nations I’m sure?

The age of peace before antichrist is an age of self sufficiency and prosperous enablement of sin seemingly with no consequence.

The prevailing image of good will become institutionalized.

Eventually the true faith will not even be heard. Not that it won’t be expressed but no one but the few of faith will be able to hear it.

All that will accept it will have, and no one who prefers deception can change their mind.

A man will claim to be the personification of the image of good now institutionalized, will rise up and claim to be all of the people of the world as one man. One like a son of man. He will embody the soul and will of the entire faithless world.

At this time the earth will begin it’s protest. " quiet these and the very stones will cry out"
👍 Eph:6:12 I know what you are saying it wont realy be a visible thing it will be more spiritual and if we are not in the Spitit we will miss it. I have never herd it expressed quite like you just did.I will copy this and keep reading not to look for mistakes but to understand exactly where your at. Thank You God Bless Nancy:)
 
👍 Eph:6:12 I know what you are saying it wont realy be a visible thing it will be more spiritual and if we are not in the Spitit we will miss it. I have never herd it expressed quite like you just did.I will copy this and keep reading not to look for mistakes but to understand exactly where your at. Thank You God Bless Nancy:)
yep Eph:6-12. Don’t worry for us it will be like watching a movie…well, except we will be intimitely involved. You’re Welcome, and also with you.
 
😦 Yes I can see it happening now this president is anti Christ pro-abortion pro-gay’s pro-moslems is moslem and I did not vote for him for i felt it would be wrong.Things realy look grim for this country but we have the Blessed Hope and the Lord will lead his flock in the true Way,for He is the Way Truth and the Life.satans lies cannot fool those Christ has taken out of the world,and because of that reason they can see what’s going on for the others are under a delusion because God knows their hearts.In another post their having a descussion on weather you are predestioned or not but I say both are right for God knows who to predeston because he knows their hearts before they were in their mothers womb,he already knows who he can use and who he cannot and yet we do have our own free will to do as we chose he dose not force us but he dose know which ones he can depend on ahead of time.He knows they wont let him down right to the death. For my sheep know my voice. God Bless Nancy
 
😦 Yes I can see it happening now this president is anti Christ pro-abortion pro-gay’s pro-moslems is moslem and I did not vote for him for i felt it would be wrong.Things realy look grim for this country but we have the Blessed Hope and the Lord will lead his flock in the true Way,for He is the Way Truth and the Life.satans lies cannot fool those Christ has taken out of the world,and because of that reason they can see what’s going on for the others are under a delusion because God knows their hearts.In another post their having a descussion on weather you are predestioned or not but I say both are right for God knows who to predeston because he knows their hearts before they were in their mothers womb,he already knows who he can use and who he cannot and yet we do have our own free will to do as we chose he dose not force us but he dose know which ones he can depend on ahead of time.He knows they wont let him down right to the death. For my sheep know my voice. God Bless Nancy
Nancy, Amen. God knows who will choose Him and because they do He gives to them even more abundantly.
 
I would like to hear a few opinions on what the verse to go back to your first love is ment? Thank You Nancy
Hi nancy,
Rev.2:1-7 Verse 4 says they have left their first love. (God). It goes on to say unless you repent the Light will be removed. the 'Candlestick ’ represents the light. 🙂

God bless,
jean8
 
Nancy, Amen. God knows who will choose Him and because they do He gives to them even more abundantly.
😃 Say I just checked out your profile and you are born on my daughters birthday may28th she died in 1997 and ive been lost since. I knew I liked you and I’m not an astrologist,but her and I were real close. Another thing I do believe God call’s those he chooses for many are called But few are chosen.;love of Christ Nancy Yeshu HaMashiach:ref:JN:15:1-5 Ruach HaKodesh=The Holy Spirit 👍
 
Hi nancy,
Rev.2:1-7 Verse 4 says they have left their first love. (God). It goes on to say unless you repent the Light will be removed. the 'Candlestick ’ represents the light. 🙂

God bless,
jean8
🙂 Hi Jean How are You?That’s exactly what it say’s but who dose it refere to back then? now? always?Just those people?What happened to that church, who are they today?

Thank You and God is with you,now and forever lol Nancy
 
😦 Yes I can see it happening now this president is anti Christ pro-abortion pro-gay’s pro-moslems is moslem and I did not vote for him for i felt it would be wrong.Things realy look grim for this country but we have the Blessed Hope and the Lord will lead his flock in the true Way,for He is the Way Truth and the Life.satans lies cannot fool those Christ has taken out of the world,and because of that reason they can see what’s going on for the others are under a delusion because God knows their hearts.
This is spoken about by Christ when He tells us about the things to come–if not for the elect it would all happen at once!

I am glad that you did not allow the wool to be place over your eyes… sadly many “Catholics” and “non-Catholic Christians” just signed a pact with the Devil… as I understand it, one of our president’s elect priority was to sign an agreement with the world’s powers to finance abortion on demand; it seems that he was not happy enough with mandating that children who survived the abortion process be put to death by the health industry and the state… ever heard of an old SciFi flick titled “Soylent Green?” …well the premise of the movie is that the state solves part of the social problems by converting humans into some sort of food source. It seems to me that the abortion industry (both the killing of the innocent and the disposal of their remains) has truly embraced the sentiments of that movie.
In another post their having a descussion on weather you are predestioned or not but I say both are right for God knows who to predeston because he knows their hearts before they were in their mothers womb,he already knows who he can use and who he cannot and yet we do have our own free will to do as we chose he dose not force us but he dose know which ones he can depend on ahead of time.He knows they wont let him down right to the death. For my sheep know my voice. God Bless Nancy
Other than bringing forth His Salvific Plan, I doubt that Yahweh God Wills anyone to damnation; yes, He may push or prod us towards His Goal but eventually it is each individual that determines if he/she will perish or reach Salvation:

Today, I call heaven and earth to witness against you: I am offering you life or death, blessing or curse. Choose life, then, so that you and your descendants may live, (Deuteronomy 20:19)

30 So in future, House of Israel, I shall judge each of you by what that person does – declares the Lord Yahweh. Repent, renounce all your crimes, avoid all occasions for guilt. 31 Shake off all the crimes you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why die, House of Israel? 32 I take no pleasure in the death of anyone – declares the Lord Yahweh – so repent and live!’ (Ezekiel 18:30-32)

14 as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up 15 so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. 16 For this is how God loved the world: he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. 17 For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. 18 No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God’s only Son. (St. John 3:14-18)

…and while St. Paul speaks of the elect; those who have been chosen in Christ Jesus prior to Creation, he is speaking in reference to passages such as St. John 1:1-18:

9 The Word was the real light that gives light to everyone; he was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world that had come into being through him, and the world did not recognise him. 11 He came to his own and his own people did not accept him. 12 But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believed in his name 13 who were born not from human stock or human desire or human will but from God himself. (St. John 1:9-13)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
🙂 Hi Jean How are You?That’s exactly what it say’s but who dose it refere to back then? now? always?Just those people?What happened to that church, who are they today?

Thank You and God is with you,now and forever lol Nancy
Hi, Nancy!

If Jesus were to simply include only those particular communities/Churches then Judgment and correction would have happened. These are types of the various stages that the Church has undertaken and will continue to undertake till His Second Coming; both the rewards and the warning are set (Dt 30:19); we must listen to Him and abide in Him or perish!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
This is spoken about by Christ when He tells us about the things to come–if not for the elect it would all happen at once!

I am glad that you did not allow the wool to be place over your eyes… sadly many “Catholics” and “non-Catholic Christians” just signed a pact with the Devil… as I understand it, one of our president’s elect priority was to sign an agreement with the world’s powers to finance abortion on demand; it seems that he was not happy enough with mandating that children who survived the abortion process be put to death by the health industry and the state… ever heard of an old SciFi flick titled “Soylent Green?” …well the premise of the movie is that the state solves part of the social problems by converting humans into some sort of food source. It seems to me that the abortion industry (both the killing of the innocent and the disposal of their remains) has truly embraced the sentiments of that movie.

Other than bringing forth His Salvific Plan, I doubt that Yahweh God Wills anyone to damnation; yes, He may push or prod us towards His Goal but eventually it is each individual that determines if he/she will perish or reach Salvation:

Today, I call heaven and earth to witness against you: I am offering you life or death, blessing or curse. Choose life, then, so that you and your descendants may live, (Deuteronomy 20:19)

30 So in future, House of Israel, I shall judge each of you by what that person does – declares the Lord Yahweh. Repent, renounce all your crimes, avoid all occasions for guilt. 31 Shake off all the crimes you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why die, House of Israel? 32 I take no pleasure in the death of anyone – declares the Lord Yahweh – so repent and live!’ (Ezekiel 18:30-32)

14 as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up 15 so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. 16 For this is how God loved the world: he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. 17 For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. 18 No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God’s only Son. (St. John 3:14-18)

…and while St. Paul speaks of the elect; those who have been chosen in Christ Jesus prior to Creation, he is speaking in reference to passages such as St. John 1:1-18:

9 The Word was the real light that gives light to everyone; he was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world that had come into being through him, and the world did not recognise him. 11 He came to his own and his own people did not accept him. 12 But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believed in his name 13 who were born not from human stock or human desire or human will but from God himself. (St. John 1:9-13)

Maran atha!👍 OH my God Yes, I come into full agreement with you. May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with You Now and Forever Amen (God Is withYou) Love of Christ Nancy HOSANNA!

Angel
 
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