What is Catholic character

[Steven_John]

i am interested to see what you think of this story,

I was approached after mass one day by an elderly woman who said we should start a prayer group.

I asked the PP if he would permit us to do so. He was happy and agreed.

I asked the Knights of the Souther cross if i could use their meeting room. They were happy for this and gave me a key.

Both of the PP and the knights know I quietly, openly, not boldly declare i do not fully accept the trinity concept to any that ask, as for me the Father is greater than Jesus (pbwh) and he said i am to pray to the Father.

The sister, a brother who also asked me to start a prayer group met last night.

i explained my position as stated above before we began as they had asked me to worship and pray to Jesus (pbwh).

We began prayer with them chanting and invoking Jesus (pbwh) and while they were doing this i prayed quietly to the Father that he bless this group.

At a personal level i get a little gelous that God blessed them to see Jesus (pbwh) different to how i do and be so passionate about it, it pases quickly and i just give it to the Father that He knows what is best. I look for testament from these people of what is Catholic in Character.

we shared scripture Mathew 10 26:33 and offered our personal inspiration. They both seemed to grasp the meaning well.

The meeting was very nice and we will meet each week as the group builds.

The woman asked me if i could help her today to move a couple of beds from a house to her daughters house. I agreed as i am blessed to have flexible working structure and am sent to serve.

Today i called at the house as planned and the daughter is sent with me to move the beds. I am a bit of a shovanist and would avoid women doing lifting ect but beds are light so it seems ok.

When we get to the house to collect the beds i am shown beds, wall units, rocker chair, kitchen table and chairs.

No hope to do it there and then as we will need lifting gear and another bloke. Given the situation I agree to take care of it some how.

My questioning is least about the furniture and most about the woman and scripture.

The scripture is about among lots of other things about God opening up the previously hidden.

Should Catholics also be open about things if they are children of God? *Please don’t correct me here saying Jesus (pbwh) is the only son. *

This woman does not appear to have been.

Incidentally both the man and the women asked me seperatly neither knew each other. common to both is after my agreeing they quickly dumped all the organizing on me. They keep trying to call it my prayer group but they dictate the terms. I keep telling them it is not my group, it is theirs and the other participants.

Is it Catholic in Character to trick people or is it OK for them to do to me as i dont worship the same?

I say Jesus (pbwh) is the way to the God that is greater than he.
I aspire to be more like Jesus (pbwh) and pray to his God.

This God inspires in me to be open and honest with both believers and non believers.

I have the choice to say no way lady you tricked me, but my God is kind to me, patient , forgiving and gives me more than i deserve.

I feel i should do this for others so will hire help and move their stuff smile and if they say thanks will tell them to give it to My God not me.

Incidentally they are not people without means the man of the house is a Doctor and his wife a teacher.

HELP what is Catholic in character and what part of her testimony would inspire me to go against the narrations of Jesus (pbwh) spoken to pray to other than the Father?

 

[Glaucon]

Should Catholics also be open about things if they are children of God? *Please don’t correct me here saying Jesus (pbwh) is the only son. *

Yes, by all means, Catholics should be honest about what they believe in. And you’re right, although Jesus is the only begotten Son of God; as for us, we’re all children of the Father too, although we were created, and not begotten.

Is it Catholic in Character to trick people or is it OK for them to do to me as i dont worship the same?

We don’t know the whole story, so it’s difficult to comment on the difficulties you’ve just experienced.

But no, it’s un-Catholic to trick people when it comes to matters of faith and worship.

I say Jesus (pbwh) is the way to the God that is greater than he. I aspire to be more like Jesus (pbwh) and pray to his God.

This God inspires in me to be open and honest with both believers and non believers.

Good to hear that from you, friend.

 

[dolphinlove]

I will say, no, Catholics are not allowed to trick people.
Its like lying, its forbidden, we are not allowed to do it.
I dont know the full story of what happened, but please dont judge a few Catholics that did this too you, bottom line is, we are not allowed to lie, pretend, trick or anything like that period!

 

[Steven_John]

I will say, no, Catholics are not allowed to trick people.
Its like lying, its forbidden, we are not allowed to do it.
I dont know the full story of what happened, but please dont judge a few Catholics that did this too you, bottom line is, we are not allowed to lie, pretend, trick or anything like that period!

You are right, i judge religions by what they say and i only need to meet one pious person to know it can produce good fruit.

I know lots of pious Catholics but they are much more ignorant about Catholicism than the sister i have spoke of.

I guess my story is she seems so nice.

I get the same from Vinnies and Centa Care they really dont do much asking and lots of telling like i am their little go boy they sit back and pull the strings. I only hang in there because from time to time it creates an opportunity do do good for those in need.

The parish used to be similar but after prayer it stopped.

Vinnies sort of drift in and out.

Centa care is the most manipulative.

I guess if you go in a different direction to Jesus (pbwh) you open a door for satan.

I wonder how people that do this expect it will make me want to worship Jesus (pbwh) like they do.

Dont get me wrong i love the host but it can be so blind and denying.

The God of Jesus (pbwh) i seek to pray to and commit to.

 

[dolphinlove]

Well, some of the people that work in those organizations are not the best example, although they should be, they are not a shining example.
Probably the best example of Catholics would be in the youth groups, church groups etc, they are more faithful and uphold the teachings of Catholicism more closely.

 

[Sam_777]

, openly, not boldly declare i do not fully accept the trinity concept to any that ask, as for me the Father is greater than Jesus (pbwh) and he said i am to pray to the Father.

Hi Steven, Trinity is Heavenly concept, so it seems sometimes its very hard to be understood by humans on earth, however, myself was finding it difficult in the beginning, but later when I’ve read the Bible I found it acceptable, particularly the prophecy in the OT which says:
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14).
Immanuel means God with us.

 

[Steven_John]

Hi Steven, Trinity is Heavenly concept, so it seems sometimes its very hard to be understood by humans on earth, however, myself was finding it difficult in the beginning, but later when I’ve read the Bible I found it acceptable, particularly the prophecy in the OT which says:
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14).
Immanuel means God with us.

Hi (sam) i am appreciative of your (name removed by moderator)ut and help.
I am kool with the trinity but cant get how Jesus (pbwh) is equal to the Father when he says The Father is greater than I, no one is good but the Father ect.

My God would not contradict himself.

Isiah is a beautiful book hey, lots off stuff in it i am still learning from.

May the Most High God bless you as you submit to Him

 

[Sam_777]

I am kool with the trinity but cant get how Jesus (pbwh) is equal to the Father when he says The Father is greater than I, no one is good but the Father ect.

I think our respected fellow Catholics here would answer that better than me, but here what I have found during my research:

"*Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was “. . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . .” (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . .”

Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father. He had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9). He became a man to die for people.

A comparison can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. But, he is no different in nature and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love.

So, Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was simply acknowledging that He was also a man and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law; namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5).*"

Source:
carm.org/questions/father_greater.htm

 

[Danuska]

Hi (sam) i am appreciative of your (name removed by moderator)ut and help.
I am kool with the trinity but cant get how Jesus (pbwh) is equal to the Father when he says The Father is greater than I, no one is good but the Father ect.

My God would not contradict himself.

Isiah is a beautiful book hey, lots off stuff in it i am still learning from.

May the Most High God bless you as you submit to Him

Well, it might look like Bible contradicts itself sometimes, compare:

Philipians 2
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

John, chapter 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Revelations 1
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

John 8:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Steven_John]

Hi thought i had better update you on the moving furniture for the sister.

Thanks be to Allah i found a man i did not know to help me. His name is Robert and his defacto wife is expectant of child. He has no job and is in need of some money, maybe of only want due to our blessed social security system.

I told him i would not pay him as he would need to make tax declaration but would gift him the money.

I knew in my heart this was not pious thing to do as i was only using words to avoid theobligation of tax payment for him. My wife has pulled me up on this, please pray for me.

My reason was that if i payed him he would not have declared it and would be in sin himself, as stated i really knew what i was doing so may Allah have mercy on me.

he is a nice man and seems to have a kind view of his role and family relationship. May Allah bless them that one day they become submitters.

He was an excellent worker and between us we made the job complete.
This job had become much bigger again as she instructed that the furniture was to go in the back shed this involved pulling down a fence and rebuilding it when the furniture was moved.
Withe the help of robert and indeed Allah’s intercessors this huge task went smooth and incredibly fast. Lots of sweat but lots of smiles, Roberts company was pleasant and enjoyable.

The sister appologised to me saying she could see we were doing lots of work. I pointed out she had only said it was 2 beds and of course i accept her appology.
She stated that she thought i would have known how much work it was. I did not go any further with this discussion other than to smile. There is now way i could have known nor her to assume i would have 2 beds are 2 beds. The reason i did not go further was to prevent her further transgression.

She offered to pay me but i declined as my agreement was never for money.
She does not know of my financial agreement with Robert.

I dont like many hadiths because they are often far from what i have read in the quran if allah reveaed the quran i dont see that we need to add to it in the same way if Jesus (pbwh) is Gods word on earth why do people need to add to it ie latter NT books.
Differing to the NT books many hadith i have heard seem to me to way away from my Allah.

Despite this i did offer the recollection i have of a valued hadith shared with me that went something like this,

A young man who left his polythest family to submit himself to the One True God was looking for work and entered into an agreement with a man to build a fence or something. He worked ecceptionaly and did the work of ten men. the man who contracted him was impressed and wanted to pay more as he had recived more value.
The young man politly refused the extra for he had and agreemnet b4 Allah and all he did was aided by Allah so he deserved no more.

The agreement in my heart with this sister was of helping the poor, we may consider given her financial position she is not. I dont know or really even need to know what is in her heart, Allah does.

In my heart i wanted to see catholic Character by her not showing it Allah has shown it to me. For the aware this is easy to understand.

I have not shared this story with you all to trumpet my giving b4 me. Yester day i was not very aware of why i started the thread maybe your prayers were neededfor all of this to come together.

But i now know after prayers why.

On CA i have been “bashed” many times not because of the content of my posts but the assumption others have made of my religion.
On one thread i had to publish a minni biography just to get people to stop.

I cant do good without my Allah,
Any good i am seen as doing is Him.

I pray you on CA will listen to Him and help me in charity when i am led astray.

May God bless us all.
PS will respond to other posts soon have but have worldy stuff to do fist

 

[Steven_John]

These writings are not narrations of Jesus (pbwh) but letters to men of well intended aspiring followers.

"*Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was “. . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . .” (Heb. 2:9).
*

My understanding was Angels were to serve humans so don’t consider them above me.

Prior to your post I would have considered any one saying angels are above men to be in relation to angels being faultless submitters.
the narrations of Jesus (pbwh) show him to also be a faultless submitter.
This could all become all become a waddel of words if we introduce that those above are servants.

I am not a schollar but if God is infalable which He is and scripture is inspired by Him which it was prior to mans translation, it should also offer distinction between God and Jesus (pbwh) explaing Jesus (pbwh) being of God and His plan.

Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . .”

 

[Steven_John]

Well, it might look like Bible contradicts itself sometimes, compare:

Philipians 2
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

(see response to (sam))

John, chapter 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. .

the word should read on to offer naration of Jesus (pbwh) to say … God is greater than i…

2He was with God in the beginning.

Yes it does say with not is

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made

yes without selfless sacrifice nothing can be even evil is a perversion of good.

Revelations 1
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

This is a vision not Jesus (pbwh) in flesh as per the discussion. It does support the discussion. I do not know of the writer of this, I will pray about it more.

John 8:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Yes we have agreed Jesus (pbwh) came from above and not made by man and woman as Abraham (pbwh) was.

The only support for equality in your post to me is the revelation.
God makes things simple that is the God given blessing of the narration of Jesus (pbwh) in flesh. I dont find contradiction in these. but get more when i re read so i maybe wrong.

The book of John seems very different to the first 3 some how i would be keen to know which books came first.
I am not keen on scholars as i am a bit thick but will seek on for this.

 

[Jimmy_B]

…I say Jesus (pbwh) is the way to the God that is greater than he. I aspire to be more like Jesus (pbwh) and pray to his God…

Hello Steven John,

The Holy Trinity is a Catholic belief. We baptize using water and the Trinity. When we cross ourselves as Catholics, we invoke the Trinity. You might want to talk with a priest about your concerns.

Additionally, read John 1.

Finally, I hope this isn’t a stupid question and maybe you have already answered it here but, what does “pbwh” mean and why do you use it after you type “Jesus”… just wondering

God bless and good luck.

Peace

 

[Steven_John]

Hello Steven John,

The Holy Trinity is a Catholic belief. We baptize using water and the Trinity. When we cross ourselves as Catholics, we invoke the Trinity. You might want to talk with a priest about your concerns.

Additionally, read John 1.

Finally, I hope this isn’t a stupid question and maybe you have already answered it here but, what does “pbwh” mean and why do you use it after you type “Jesus”… just wondering

God bless and good luck.

Peace

Peace be with you Jimmy B,
i give thanks for your post.

I have great relationship with our PP and the other two priests as i did with our bishop b4 he was taken from us, i pray the diocese of Darwin is blessed to have him as we were.

I have had chats with our PP b4, not to speak against him but he avoids discussion on scripture telling me we will talk later.
I have been to his house but he says he does not keep a bible there. I dont feel he really wants to so dont push it. I love him very much and trust that God has not put him in my life for such discussion. Maybe when our next bishop comes after he settles in i will chat with him.

I use (pbwh) peace be with him as respect more than anything it also distinguishes him from other called Jesus.
He offered his free will to Our Father for me.

May God bless you and yours
PS i know you mean kindness but spiritual is not of luck just submittance. Luck does not exist even in worldly there is only chance.

 

[Sam_777]

My understanding was Angels were to serve humans so don’t consider them above me.

Yes, indeed, you are right, from my understanding, we humans suppose to be higher than the Angels but before the fall, after we sinned we aren’t anymore, however, in paradise we will be in our glorified body (like Angels) (Matthew 22:30) but higher than them (1 Corinthians 6:3).

PS i want you to tell me one day where you came up with the idea i would sent you a demon, you hurt me much with that suggestion. Its all kool now though.

I’m very sorry Steven, that was in the beginning, I thought you are a Muslim trying to make some black magic to me, because such black magic is widely known in our Islamic culture, people doing it to harm each others.
However, later on I’ve discovered that you are really a good person seeking the way of God The Most High, so please accept my apology, and consider me your friend in Christ.

May The King of Kings and Lord of Lords enlightenment us with his love.

 

[Steven_John]

from my understanding, we humans suppose to be higher than the Angels but before the fall, after we sinned we aren’t anymore, however, in paradise we will be in our glorified body (like Angels) Matthew 22:30

That makes sense, i pray thanks for Gods mercy still allows the Angels to assist us in bringing about Gods Will.

but higher than them

2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?

I thought God judged the world and used Jesus (pbwh) to action it.
I must be missing something

3Do you not know that we will judge angels?

I cant believe this, Angels are in perfect submittance why do they need to be judged?

I have been to carasmatic prayer group and have listen to their “words” these people pray, they have no idea what they are saying and maybe beguiled to thinking its all good. this letter was addressed to some of the “voices” these people host at these meetings In flesh they were in serious error b4 the gospel reached them. If you go to one of these groups and listen you will hear “serious” is an understatement.

There are un resolved issues still to this day. these prayer groups open doors to darkness, this letter did not banish all the darkness so is flawed or not all the people of that day at least were not healed by it.
I dont doubt its intention but again you and i should focus on the narrated words of Jesus (pbwh) if we want to understand “the trinity” or more so God and His message. These Gospel words heal. In the true name of them we action real healing.

because such black magic is widely known in our Islamic culture, people doing it to harm each others.

These things sadden me much as do the other stuff you share, it may not give you much comfort but i share them carefully at the mosque here and invoke question to the practice of islamic religion so people know and are encouraged to pray for the good of God.

However, later on I’ve discovered that you are really a good person seeking the way of God The Most High, so please accept my apology, and consider me your friend in Christ.

I am not a good person, not even Jesus (pbwh) is only The Father is good. For sure i aspire as i see you do. I give thanks to God for the genuineness of your seeking and pray you do not follow men again but in different religion. Submit to the God of Jesus (pbwh) He is God of all prophets (pbwt) is God of all even false prophets they just don’t see Him. This is the gist of the PM i sent you when i thought you were about to make shihada and did not know you had.

You need not appologise as i said all is kool, i prayed much, i will never understand what it is like for you i pray one day you feel the peace of where i live and better. It will happen.

I consider you more than a friend God wiling one day we will be purified and meet or maybe sooner if He wills.

A message to all who post including myself, we would do well to never assume about other people only work with the information we are provided, the net is a great place to practice this as we get so little info, only the words typed. We need to put aside our stereo types and prejudice and interact with the individual in the way God treats us. Then together we will build the true kingdom.

i will be who i will be, for i am to those who see me

 

[Sam_777]

I am not a good person, not even Jesus (pbwh) is only The Father is good.

No Steven, Lord Jesus is good:
“Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” (John 8:46-47).

Please read this link it explains (Mark 10:18):
tektonics.org/lp/mark1018.html

Submit to the God of Jesus (pbwh) He is God of all prophets (pbwt) is God of all even false prophets they just don’t see Him.

Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet?

This is the gist of the PM i sent you when i thought you were about to make shihada and did not know you had.

Did you make “shihada”, did you approve that Muhammed is a messenger of Allah?

 

[Steven_John]

Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet?

I dont know, too many things in the Quran i cant work out.

Did you make “shihada”, did you approve that Muhammed is a messenger of Allah?

No refer to the above.
I have been set upon by groups of muslims telling me i need too, had them grab my hand refusing to let it go until i did. But of course God is greater ten any pressure they can put on me. They let my hand go.
Such intimidation makes me less inclined to believe they are of the truth.
I sent you that first PM as i did not want you be put under the same pressure , i did not realize you were a Muslim.

I have had Catholic intimidation too but am not about to make statements i don’t believe.

Most of my posts are questions or if my English was better they at least should be so not too make false statments.
I know not just believe there is one God and that He is merciful, just and loves me more than i deserve.
As for mens religions…

I will check your link out, my statment was based upon Jesus (pbwh) saying God is greater than him.

I give thanks to God for your efforts in helping me.

 

[dolphinlove]

I dont know, too many things in the Quran i cant work out.

No refer to the above.
I have been set upon by groups of muslims telling me i need too, had them grab my hand refusing to let it go until i did. But of course God is greater ten any pressure they can put on me. They let my hand go.
Such intimidation makes me less inclined to believe they are of the truth.
I sent you that first PM as i did not want you be put under the same pressure , i did not realize you were a Muslim.

I have had Catholic intimidation too but am not about to make statements i don’t believe.

Most of my posts are questions or if my English was better they at least should be so not too make false statments.
I know not just believe there is one God and that He is merciful, just and loves me more than i deserve.
As for mens religions…

I will check your link out, my statment was based upon Jesus (pbwh) saying God is greater than him.

I give thanks to God for your efforts in helping me.

Hi Steven,
What country are you originally from?
I see your a fellow Aussie now, but what is your background?
God bless
Dolphy

 

[Sam_777]

Sam_777;3831117:

Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet?

I dont know, too many things in the Quran i cant work out.

Its good indeed that you fully understand the depth of Quran, there are many contradictions within it, also with the other religions, in my understanding so far, there is no way for Allah to be God The Most High.

Sam_777;3831117:

Did you make “shihada”, did you approve that Muhammed is a messenger of Allah?

No refer to the above.
I know not just believe there is one God and that He is merciful, just and loves me more than i deserve.

Yes, definitely there is one God, :heart:The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit , although its hard to be understood by us humans, but I pray for God to show us his true way.